Interesting sign
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Dinkus the Stinkus
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This would be the same as saying considering oneself something other than a man or woman is just a state of mind. We are what we are based on our genetics. An African and all of their kin will always be African regardless of where they live. Same for a Mexican, German, French, Chinese, Korean, etc.
Robin
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That ship left the pier at about the second or third post.
Robin Longshanks
So, if two people straight out of Africa, immigrate to the US and a few years later have a kid, is that child African? Or American?
Dinkus the Stinkus
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The child is African just as it would be African if born in any other country in the world. Your place of birth has nothing to do with your national heritage.
Jmac00
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If he was born on U.S. soil, he/she would be American, his heritage would be African.
why do you think all these Chinese mothers come to California in their 8th month. its so they can go into labor and have their child born on U.S. soil. That makes the child an American citizen. which leads to CHIAN MIGRATION. meaning, the child is American, the mother has to stay, Dad can then come too, then the Grandparents, and then thier parents can come, once the Grandparents are here, Great Grandparents can come .... on and on it goes
We are the ONLY COUNTRY ON THE PLANET that has this law.
masterswimmer
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Wow, just freaking wow!!
So a black person (or any person of non white european descent) who has lived his whole life here, who works, pays taxes, stands for the anthem, loves America, loves his family, goes to the shooting range, and roots for the Packers, and votes based on what he thinks will give him the most freedom, isn’t an American? That’s ridiculous. But some guy from Norway can move here and put the Stars and Stripes on his house and he is an American overnight?
Get this racist nonsense out of here. This is a gun board, not a white power board. Believe it or not, despite my recent immigrant heritage, I’m as American as they come. Part of that is saying you have the right to spout this nonsense. But part of it is you having to hear me say you’re wrong.
But any proposal where David Clarke is not a true American but Rosie O’Donnell is, is ridiculous.
This country throughout its entire history has accepted immigrants that integrated into American society and acted like Americans.
Get this racist nonsense out of here. This is a gun board, not a white power board. Believe it or not, despite my recent immigrant heritage, I’m as American as they come. Part of that is saying you have the right to spout this nonsense. But part of it is you having to hear me say you’re wrong.
But any proposal where David Clarke is not a true American but Rosie O’Donnell is, is ridiculous.
This country throughout its entire history has accepted immigrants that integrated into American society and acted like Americans.
Then what makes you and I American?
I am not finding this conversation to be at at Racist, a bit confusing, but not racist.
Dinkus the Stinkus
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A Norwegian tomorrow coming here wouldn't just become American. He'd be a Norwegian living in America. He can pay taxes and love this country but that doesn't make him an American somehow. Being a citizen doesn't mean you are of that nation you just live there and support it and participate in the government by voting.
People not born here cannot be president because they are not American. They are citizens and they can participate and be as patriotic as the rest of us but that still doesn't make them American.
I've never seen an African Chinese person or an African Russian, have you? So are they racist for only having Chinese and Russians in their countries?
Not at all correct. (In red). They cannot run for President if not Natural Born American.
I ask again, what makes an American an American? How many Generations need the family be here for? No immigrant is a true American? I am very curious of where you are coming from.
I will speak a bit more of my people. They left the Homeland for new adventures here in the US. When they arrived at Ellis Island, they renounced their current citizenship. They took on US citizen status. They learned the language, learned the customs and lived like every other person in this Great Country. They weren't Americans though?
Marine Cpl
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So what I'm gathering conquest and the ethnicity of those that did the conquering are what means being an American.
Those would be people of 100 percent Viking descent. They were here before the English. And since most of those people have interbred with English, there are no Americans left.
But I'm confused though. Many Russians or people from that area before it was called Russia emigrated to Alaska. So do we have to be Russians to be American?
Those would be people of 100 percent Viking descent. They were here before the English. And since most of those people have interbred with English, there are no Americans left.
But I'm confused though. Many Russians or people from that area before it was called Russia emigrated to Alaska. So do we have to be Russians to be American?
Dinkus the Stinkus
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Imo it's the muddying of bloodlines. I can trace my grandfather's family on my father's side back to Italy they got here in around 1917. My grandmother is much harder because we believe she has been here longer we think she may have come from Austria or Poland. On my mother's side it's even more difficult as we've seen traces in England, Ireland, Germany, Spain...
That muddied heritage is what makes us American. We aren't just from one European nation we have ancestry from many. Those are the people who founded our nation, they are the first Americans.
I don't look down on anyone for not being American but own what you are don't try to claim you are something that you aren't. If you're African be African, if you're Mexican be Mexican, if you're Chinese be Chinese. You can absolutely live in America and love America and support the things America does but you don't just get to be American just as I will never be Chinese.
I got some Russian in me as well. I am of Viking descent. Holy crap, I am really American!
Marine Cpl
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So if I can trace back my heritage to the Native Americans, does that make me American? If not, would my Italian grandfather make me Italian? If not, then does my Puerto Rican grandmother determine who I am? What if her ancestors are from Spain and native taino Americans?
This really is confusing. Help me out.
This really is confusing. Help me out.
I am not trying to be difficult, I am more than 87% Norwegian/Danish, that is actually higher than most people living in that region today. The avereage % in those two countries is only 71%. Anyway, I consider myself to be 100% American. Am I wrong?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm still confused though. As a mutt, I'm not American, what country can I claim? The one with the highest percentage? That would be Puerto Rico but it's not a country. Hmmm.
Robin
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masterswimmer
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I guess I'm a Heinz 57.
57 varieties.
A little bit of everything.
57 varieties.
A little bit of everything.
Dinkus the Stinkus
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The ancestry test my brother did said we were like 40% or 60% European, I can't remember then we had some Iberian, a decent amount of Mediterranean, some Arab (from the Italian side of the family) some Asian as well iirc (could be Russian).
Anyway based on that, on what you've said and what I believe we are both Americans.
If you believe America is just an idea, meaning anyone can be American that's not right to me. I can never be Chinese, Norwegian or African. I can only be American.
You’re confusing ethnic heritage with nationality. You can’t change your skin color or who your grandparents are. You can, however, become an American. If you couldn’t become an American, there would be no Americans, because every person on this continent (and in fact everywhere on earth) has ancestors from other places, because every human is descended from the same group of humans somewhere in Africa millions of years ago.
So you’re African. But don’t bring that up at your meeting.
So you’re African. But don’t bring that up at your meeting.
Yes sir, you are wrong.
Dinkus the Stinkus
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So nationality is just a legal status?
Robin
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So what if you can trace your genetic lineage back to say, German. They had different tribes just like American Indians, genetically different. If you were to dig them up you would find some tribes had roundish skull shapes, some ovate, they were different and would often be at war with each other, just like American Indians, which Germanic tribe were you, Hessian, Saxon, how far back, Goth, Visigoth, Frank, Dane, Gotlander, Vandal? Don't even get started with the Celtish tribes, which if you go back far enough are a germanic branch, or the German tribes are a Celtic branch, depending which holiday's, other than the fourth of July, you wish to celebrate. Gets kind of dizzying doesn't it. Spanish?!?!?!?!?! holy shit!!!!!
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
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A white Chinese.