Is NY a 2nd Amend. l lost cause ??

[RDN]

Is NY a lost cause regarding the SAFE act of 2013 - the bans of "Assault Weapons" for law abiding citizens??
I don't see any info on anyone, from NY, fighting this law in the courts.

One of the main reasons I voted for Trump is that I knew he was the best candidate to safeguard the 2nd Amend. And that's basically what he's done w/ Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.
Now is the best time for NY gun owner to get SAFE act repealed via SCOTUS.

 

[meketrefe]

It needs to get worse before it heals all by itself.

 

[Uzi]

Not going to happen. Also, Trump hasn't done shit for the 2A other than infringe it.

"Better than Hillary though" 3.. 2.. 1..

 

[Celt]

Nysrpa has a case going to the scotus already. I would not expect they would fund an additional case at this time. Unless we get lucky and a similar unconstitutional law from another state gets a case to go to scotus, I think we are stuck with this for a while. I think the last 2a case the scotus heard was about 10 years ago before they granted cert on this one.

 

[RDN]

Not going to happen. Also, Trump hasn't done shit for the 2A other than infringe it.

"Better than Hillary though" 3.. 2.. 1..

I don't understand why you say "Trump hasn't done shit" for 2A. The only thing he can do (and has) is appoint pro 2A Justices.
And If the Broom Riding Ginsburg would just go, we would have another pro 2A Justice Trump appointment.

 

[RDN]

Nysrpa has a case going to the scotus already. I would not expect they would fund an additional case at this time. Unless we get lucky and a similar unconstitutional law from another state gets a case to go to scotus, I think we are stuck with this for a while. I think the last 2a case the scotus heard was about 10 years ago before they granted cert on this one.

I fear and hoping at the same time, that I would have long gone and moved out of New York come time this case is settled by SCOTUS.

 

[Podmonkey]

No. No cause is ever lost if you are willing to put enough skin into it. But don't expect elected officials to do anything for you.

 

[dwa12479]

The only was we will EVER get rid of unSAFE here is if it gets passed Federally. Without more help from the rest of free America, NYers will be lamenting unSAFE a hundred years from now just like we do the Sullivan Act.

 

[Jem45472]

The only was we will EVER get rid of unSAFE here is if it gets passed Federally. Without more help from the rest of free America, NYers will be lamenting unSAFE a hundred years from now just like we do the Sullivan Act.

Federal laws won't help because they leave it up to the states. SCOTUS ruling certain things unconstitutional is the only thing that is going to help us and stop the infringements from spreading to other states like what is happening now.

 

[masterswimmer]

You need to savor the 2013 unSAFE Act. It truly is absolutely no infringement compared to what is going to come down. unSAFE 2.0 is going to rival Australian gun laws. NY 2A is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

 

[prambo]

No. No cause is ever lost if you are willing to put enough skin into it. But don't expect elected officials to do anything for you.

The only was we will EVER get rid of unSAFE here is if it gets passed Federally. Without more help from the rest of free America, NYers will be lamenting unSAFE a hundred years from now just like we do the Sullivan Act.

Other than these 2 scenarios, yes, it is as gone as a thin fart in a hurricane. This is what happens when Marxists/Nazis (take your pick) are elected by retards.

 

[Celt]

Not going to happen. Also, Trump hasn't done shit for the 2A other than infringe it.

"Better than Hillary though" 3.. 2.. 1..

The annoying "Better than Hillary though" 3.. 2.. 1" is a cop out that people use when criticizing trump. Its pretty corny really. He deserves criticism, but hes far better than hitlery would have been. Keep in mind, he doesnt write laws, the swamp/legislature does. Of course he could push 2a issues rather than push a bumsptock ban, but to insinuate hes no better than hitlery is ignorant. If he did nothing else besides appoint 2 conservative justices he would be better than her.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You need to savor the 2013 unSAFE Act. It truly is absolutely no infringement compared to what is going to come down. unSAFE 2.0 is going to rival Australian gun laws. NY 2A is going to be screwed beyond recognition.

I think most here savor the old AWB where we could have preban standard capacity magazines, a regular looking AR with minor annoyances like pinned stocks and muzzle brakes instead of flash suppressors.

NY will eventually get a semi auto ban and then most would savor the good old days of the Ruger PCC and Ares SCR and Mini 14's.

 

[C3D]

I have my doubts about the NYSRPA producing any meaningful change but there are other cases behind that one that may yet alter the equation.

But today, in New York, you have no RKBA in any meaningful way.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Yes

 

[gunpoliticsny]

NY is not a lost cause. NRA and others are not effective because they have acted as if 2A belongs exclusively to Republicans and supported them no matter what they do. At the same time they have totally ignored the Democrats, including their own members, and failed to support even those elected officials who sponsor pro-gun bills for no other reason than they were Democrats. This is why now that the NYGOP has crashed that not one person from NRA or the other groups has any clout whatsoever in Albany.

Problems will stop if/when they decide to treat 2A as a single issue and get involved with Democrat party politics, rating their candidates in primaries, sponsoring their events, and making sure that whenever an elected Democrat votes the right way they get acknowledged in public for doing that.

 

[Twogunwilly]

NY is not a lost cause. NRA and others are not effective because they have acted as if 2A belongs exclusively to Republicans and supported them no matter what they do. At the same time they have totally ignored the Democrats, including their own members, and failed to support even those elected officials who sponsor pro-gun bills for no other reason than they were Democrats. This is why now that the NYGOP has crashed that not one person from NRA or the other groups has any clout whatsoever in Albany.

Problems will stop if/when they decide to treat 2A as a single issue and get involved with Democrat party politics, rating their candidates in primaries, sponsoring their events, and making sure that whenever an elected Democrat votes the right way they get acknowledged in public for doing that.

Um yeah, cause that worked so well will gillibitch, these scumbag commie fucks lie every time their lips flap.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Ignoring the ~55% of registered voters who are Democrats isn't an option anymore. The Republican party has no ability to advance or block any legislation. They are a total non-factor in Albany. The only choice is to listen to what elected Democrats have been saying for years.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Not as long as ice picks are still available.

 

[Truebeliever]

Is a lost cause? No.

Stop acting like Trump has all this power he doesn’t have. The RINOs blocked his agenda.

Remember the BIG victory in Trump winning was judicial appointees.

The NYC premise permit restrictions are going to SCOTUS. While doubtful, the whole Sullivan law is possibly up for review.

 

[Uzi]

I don't understand why you say "Trump hasn't done shit" for 2A. The only thing he can do (and has) is appoint pro 2A Justices.
And If the Broom Riding Ginsburg would just go, we would have another pro 2A Justice Trump appointment.

The annoying "Better than Hillary though" 3.. 2.. 1" is a cop out that people use when criticizing trump. Its pretty corny really. He deserves criticism, but hes far better than hitlery would have been. Keep in mind, he doesnt write laws, the swamp/legislature does. Of course he could push 2a issues rather than push a bumsptock ban, but to insinuate hes no better than hitlery is ignorant. If he did nothing else besides appoint 2 conservative justices he would be better than her.

The continuation of avoidance to the obvious actions that were made by our president is truly astonishing. This isn't a Hillary vs Trump battle statement I'm making. I mentioned the Hillary comment to drive the point that I knew it would be a response in some form as a way to avoid that important fact. I was correct.

Instead of trying to misdirect that context of a statement I made and tell me I was insinuating some sort of comparison or lack thereof between politicians, why don't you try not doing that. It not only drives my point home in one fell swoop with pinpoint accuracy, but it also reinforces the confirmation bias of someone that fully supports anything someone does, even when there is concrete evidence that they infringed the second amendment. The fact that there could be worse presidents is actually NOT the point here.

There is no fucking compromise with the second amendment. You are either for the second amendment, or you are against it. If you're sort of kinda for it, well... wonderful for you! you're willing to compromise like Trump did with our rights. But it's okay, it was only just another small piece of the cake, right?

Better than Hillary though!

 

[masterswimmer]

I think most here savor the old AWB where we could have preban standard capacity magazines, a regular looking AR with minor annoyances like pinned stocks and muzzle brakes instead of flash suppressors.

NY will eventually get a semi auto ban and then most would savor the good old days of the Ruger PCC and Ares SCR and Mini 14's.

That was my point. With none, zero, zilch representation of the Republican party in Albany, there will be zero opportunity to beat down any anti 2A legislation presented. Therefore looking back on what we are confronted with now, unSAFE 1.0, this will look like the good ole days of the AWB when unSAFE 2.0 is shoved down our throats.

BTW, they won't even have to do it in the middle of the night under the shroud of necessity.

 

[Celt]

The continuation of avoidance to the obvious actions that were made by our president is truly astonishing. This isn't a Hillary vs Trump battle statement I'm making. I mentioned the Hillary comment to drive the point that I knew it would be a response in some form as a way to avoid that important fact. I was correct.

Instead of trying to misdirect that context of a statement I made and tell me I was insinuating some sort of comparison or lack thereof between politicians, why don't you try not doing that. It not only drives my point home in one fell swoop with pinpoint accuracy, but it also reinforces the confirmation bias of someone that fully supports anything someone does, even when there is concrete evidence that they infringed the second amendment. The fact that there could be worse presidents is actually NOT the point here.

There is no fucking compromise with the second amendment. You are either for the second amendment, or you are against it. If you're sort of kinda for it, well... wonderful for you! you're willing to compromise like Trump did with our rights. But it's okay, it was only just another small piece of the cake, right?

Better than Hillary though!

Fancy words don't make any point. I don't believe in compromising on the Second Amendment, but that wasn't what the topic was about. I also said Trump clearly deserves criticism where it is deserved, but like I also said he does not write the laws. A Republican Senate and Congress couldn't pass any pro gun legislation, nor did they secure funding for a border wall, Paul Ryan is the biggest culprit. Of course I think Trump should be leaning on them for pro-second Amendment legislation, like National reciprocity first and foremost. I'm disappointed that he didn't. But when someone makes a comparison of him or Hillary, well that's pure foolishness because things would certainly be much worse if we had her as a president.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I don't understand why you say "Trump hasn't done shit" for 2A. The only thing he can do (and has) is appoint pro 2A Justices.
And If the Broom Riding Ginsburg would just go, we would have another pro 2A Justice Trump appointment.

He could also not instruct the AFT to infringe on our rights. Thank you.

 

[Uzi]

Fancy words don't make any point. I don't believe in compromising on the Second Amendment, but that wasn't what the topic was about. I also said Trump clearly deserves criticism where it is deserved, but like I also said he does not write the laws. A Republican Senate and Congress couldn't pass any pro gun legislation, not did they secure funding for a border wall, Paul Ryan is the biggest culprit. Of course I think Trump should be leaning on them for pro-second Amendment legislation, like National reciprocity first and foremost. I'm disappointed that he didn't. But when someone makes a comparison of him or Hillary, well that's pure foolishness because things would certainly be much worse if we had her as a president.

Fancy words? When you quoted my post, did you realize that I was talking about infringements and the compromise of our second amendment? A direct response from the original post in fact. Finally, I just have one question, do you think that Trump is at least better than Hillary though?

 

[Shadow2]

54% of Dems want gun control. So not the people to invest in.

Ignoring the ~55% of registered voters who are Democrats isn't an option anymore. The Republican party has no ability to advance or block any legislation. They are a total non-factor in Albany. The only choice is to listen to what elected Democrats have been saying for years.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

It's really just a handful of Democrats who carry the bills. The others go along with whatever the leadership decides to bring up. Party leadership makes decisions on who gets involved with their politics: who gives money, attends their events, tells people who to vote for, etc. NRA doesn't so they don't count. Same with fracking, abortion, everything. *Elected* Democrats have come right out and said that is the problem, not so much guns themselves.

 

[pramaglia]

The only hope I see for NY State is to split from NY City and perhaps Long Island too and become a new state.

 

[Acer-m14]

were heading back to prohibition days .. just for a different item .. and we know how that all worked out back then ..

 

[seezur]

People are fighting, just on an individual level. I’ve seen and talked to people at ranges both in the rural counties and in the cities with fully featured rifles and hand guns and standard cap mags. I’ve asked some of them if they are concerned with what would happen if a cop came up to them or pulled them over on their way home. One person’s response was they’d “shoot it out” before going to prison for exercising their constitutional right. Others have shared that sentiment, just less directly.

Personally, I’m not willing to do that, so I’ve gone with undeniably complaint rifles and magazines so I don’t have to worry about legal trouble. And while the law is 100% bullshit, I’m not at a point where I feel I can no longer defend myself from hostile actors, though 10 round mags do put all of us law abiding citizens at a serious disadvantage.

But in all seriousness, if tomorrow there was a new SAFE act that banned all semi auto rifles, how many people do you think would hand them in? If they took away your right to defend yourself with a rifle, would you comply? Basically all the SAFE act has done is make it easier to tack on long sentences for the people who have decided not to follow it (which we know, based on registration numbers, is most gun owners in NY). If they try something crazy like a full semi ban, some cops will either selectively enforce it like they do now and/or people will get killed. I think noncompliance is as close as you’ll get to victory in NY. Of course that’s of little value to those of us who don’t want the repercussions associated with it.