spat
.700 Nitro Express
It's all cultural.
You can flip burgers part time in the US and you'll be one of the richest people ever to have lived.
Like top 1% rich.
Is this really the fault of the Police???
- Thread starter GOPerfect
- Start date
You can flip burgers part time in the US and you'll be one of the richest people ever to have lived.
Like top 1% rich.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This is not the fault of "the Police".
This is the fault of this SOB and his gang....
Also people can protest all they want and they should.
What people cannot do is to generalize and start destroying everything.
That is when people become no better than the ones they are trying to condemn.
mgunner
.45 acp
Yep. That's why people say police are "bootlickers" .Their oath means nothing. If you allow governors, mayors, and state legislatures to create laws that oppose "Constitutional Rights" then what's the point of any law? Or any oath? All are meaningless. So, if you're a police officer and arrest people for excising their rights as stated in the Constitution, then you're breaking our laws, violating our rights, and the people will not stand with you. Now I'm sure there are police officers who stay quite and have made a decisions to not enforce illegal state laws. But they won't come forward about it because they're afraid of being fired. But, we can't depend on that, and so what you have are civilians that see police as the enemy. Since this is a firearm forum, I'm sure not many here like the idea of being told they can't carry a firearm simply because the police will not give you a carry permit. And I'm sure there are those here that are ticked off about the whole AR15 thing as well. You can't ask people to be understanding about violation of our rights and that we should put the police on a pedestal as they continue to violate our rights. It's not a reasonable request. I'll take it a step further. The military also takes an oath and I haven't seen anyone enlisted in the military say a thing about violation of 2A. I've seen retired military come forward. But not one general, sergeant, captain, battalion come forward and just make a public statement of how the AR 15 is not an assault weapon. Nor have I seen a press conference from any military stating that the violation of 2A laws in states across America is unconstitutional. What about the oath they take? They stand on the sidelines and say nothing. So, I can see why many don't have any confidence in our country. And this has been the case for decades.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
This will probably fall on death ears but to any cop reading this, if you do not want a repeat of these animals destroying businesses, killing cops, seriously hurting them by running them over, when you see your fellow cop doing something questionable, check him.
Tell him to cool it. Tell him “Hey Tim. The search isn’t necessary. There is nothing in plain view. Let’s go home tonight and tomorrow. Let’s keep our businesses safe.
Because you know that any little thing will spark this BS again. Egos, productivity, and revenge just isn’t worth our businesses and your lives. These people know how easy it is to cause havoc and they will do it again over and over again.
Tell him to cool it. Tell him “Hey Tim. The search isn’t necessary. There is nothing in plain view. Let’s go home tonight and tomorrow. Let’s keep our businesses safe.
Because you know that any little thing will spark this BS again. Egos, productivity, and revenge just isn’t worth our businesses and your lives. These people know how easy it is to cause havoc and they will do it again over and over again.
Not on deaf ears. The following will though....
As with the current events as of late, there has been many conversations here at work. Nearly all of us have just echoed each other, we have all basically said that we do not understand how or why none of his fellow officers intervened in this murder.
When I was a Soldier, we used to check each all regularly, not always, but quite often. In my current job, we are checking each other also, on a regular and consistent basis. Too much ego and arrogance gets in the way.
I still blame most of the woes of many different communities on those that live in these communities. Act like normal Americans, act like normal humans and the police have zero reason to come to you.
Not all that hard to act the part of a decent human being.
Matter of fact, I just pissed off a bunch of coworkers in the past half hour. Guys with more time then me talking all kinds of shit about this, that and the other; I listened for a while, then I jumped in and went off them about their unfounded arrogance. Just hearing some of their shit was beyond my patience level.
I am not their favorite at times....
I am not their favorite at times....
Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
6 months ago employers couldn't find enough employees to fill the same positions you've mentioned several times, if jobs were the silver bullet this bullshit wouldn't be happening.
My guess is fear of retaliation by fellow officers or superiors. From what I read he was the superior officer at the scene. It's also possible they simply didn't care what happened to him.
It's nice to hear that you and some of your coworkers agree that someone should've stepped in and stopped it but obviously not all of you think alike and that's why this is going on. I still can't believe they did nothing knowing they were being recorded.
Why would they?
You can murder someone in broad daylight in front of the cameras and people will still defend you.
They'll say you died of poor health.
And I mean, you did have a criminal history...
No need to be scared of the cameras. Even THEY can't hold you accountable.
"I wonder what the problem is!? :O "
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And what positions were those?
I don’t care. Even in a perfect world, there’d be people who hate the police. I just don’t care anymore.
The greatest irony of my career will be that in the end, the ultimate cop haters handed me the keys to retirement not 3 weeks after the job shut down overtime, which made me resign myself to the fact that I would be stuck for 8 more years.
The greatest irony of my career will be that in the end, the ultimate cop haters handed me the keys to retirement not 3 weeks after the job shut down overtime, which made me resign myself to the fact that I would be stuck for 8 more years.
Curmudgeon
.308 Win
This.
Edit - until officers start doing that, and it gets covered by the media nothing changes.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It doesn't matter what they do, it won't be covered fairly by the media.
There are millions of cops in this country, it's statisticly impossible to make sure they are all good.
The best you can do is root out the bad ones as you identify them, and reduce the number you allow in.
The media will latch onto the inevitable incidents and blow them out of proportion and them sit silent when the system works and eliminates them.
This recent incident is proof positive. The system worked as well as can be expected, guilty party and the enablers have been fired and are being criminally charged. What more do they want ?
Now, I am not saying there aren't a lot of things that need to be fixed as far as accountability goes, I just don't think this incident is an example of it.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Time and distance offer perspective, and it's often hard to see just how vast a forrest truly is with so many trees in the way. We are not out of the woods yet and a nation hangs in the balance with no assurance of a just victory. Some get it and some don't. I pray there are still some in government, elected and appointed, whose agenda is loyal to their oath, loyal to the law of the land.
Robin
Robin
I think its more than we realize but less than we hope.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
Officers do do it I have seen it regularly in my inter workings with PD over the years. Most of the time it’s just subtle comments which most of the time do the trick. I have also witnessed officers aggressively remove hot headed hot shots from scenes. Those don’t make for cool craftily edited you tube videos though. Not saying all vid is edited to create a wanted impression but many are
She's not wrong about the cultural issue. I remember many years ago when I learned that black kids that did well in school were getting assaulted because good grades were associated with being white. I absolutely could not believe it but it was true. That attitude is so counter productive it's almost impossible to believe that any group could actually embrace it.
Still true in many places today. I have heard some black youngsters tell me that school is for white people. They will do fine just hustling.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
You're adding too much logic and reason to the people who would take a 2X4 to a couple or ram a best buy with a forklift.
Yes, those cops could have stopped this guy this time and stopped these particular riots. What about ferguson? Or trayvon? Those were all bullshit lies. Truth is that people who want to loot and destroy shit will use whatever example they can. i get not giving them more examples, but there is nothing police can do to stop all of these idiotic movements that seem to happen every year or so, at the expense of millions.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So here's a fact: There is a growing number of young men in particular (I am not virtue signalling, but women just have their shit together way more than males do these days; less crime, less failing out of school, less stupid shit in general) who are fucking bums. They may have a high school diploma, maybe they don't, but they hang around at home well into their 20's doing nothing more than video games, drinking, "hanging out".
This kind of behavior was impossible a century ago unless you were a lazy rich kid. it's possible now because we have such a surplus of resources, money, social coverage that it's now possible and in some circles acceptable for a male of 22 to be an absolute worthless shit, hanging around at home with no future and nobody to hold him accountable. His greatest accomplishment nutting in some girl he met the night before while drunk. The economy has not failed these young men. Their immediate social group and culture has.
And btw when these guys inevitably end up in jail I do not have a single tear for them. Nor do I accept any responsibility for it whatsoever.
Why Aren’t More Men Working? (Published 2018)
The low unemployment rate doesn’t tell the whole story about the state of the labor market.
More US men than ever are choosing not to work—but it's not the rise in stay-at-home dads
In the late 1950s and 60s, around 97% of men aged 25-54 worked or were looking for work. Today, less than 89% of them do.
qz.com
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. They cannot. But they can limit them. Had one of those guys just went to the partner and said that they were going to take over and stand the guy up rather than just back the partner, we wouldn’t be here.
Behavior as well.
Just imagine if Floyd would have followed the laws of society, this would not have happened. Again, not saying the guy deserved this kind of death, on the contrary, he should be alive today.
All actions will receive a reaction. The arguments with all of these types of events can be looked at from multiple angles.
If it would have been raining hard that afternoon, I mean really raining, this murder probably would have not occurred.
The kid that tried to burn down Buffalo City Hall is example of everything that is wrong.
buffalonews.com
Parents disappear, kid is raised by grandmother and eventually kid ends up living in different homes with no stability. At some point he transitioned from an innocent kid to an arsonist. It’s not hard to see why. There are no easy answers.
City Hall arson suspect was raised by a forceful critic of police brutality
If alive today, Loretta Renford would be crushed, said a former state Assembly member, to learn that her now 20-year-old grandson has been accused of throwing a burning basket into
Parents disappear, kid is raised by grandmother and eventually kid ends up living in different homes with no stability. At some point he transitioned from an innocent kid to an arsonist. It’s not hard to see why. There are no easy answers.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Absolutely true, at least this time. But also note goperfect's immediate response to yours. Had this guy not been using fake money or whatever the hell he was doing we also wouldn't be here.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Not hard at all to see why. You think the guys who beat the woman in rochester with 2X4 went back to a stable household? Not a chance in hell.The kid that tried to burn down Buffalo City Hall is example of everything that is wrong.
City Hall arson suspect was raised by a forceful critic of police brutality
If alive today, Loretta Renford would be crushed, said a former state Assembly member, to learn that her now 20-year-old grandson has been accused of throwing a burning basket into
Parents disappear, kid is raised by grandmother and eventually kid ends up living in different homes with no stability. At some point he transitioned from an innocent kid to an arsonist. It’s not hard to see why. There are no easy answers.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Right. He wouldn’t have been arrested. That’s correct but a straw man argument. A response by me as straw man would be that had the establishment not accepted checks to prevent crimes, he wouldn’t have written a bad check to it. I would never argue that because it’s BS.
Yes. Actions have consequences. But those consequences aren’t infinite. I could be detained for choosing to not wear a mask in a government building knowing that there may be consequences but those consequences shouldn’t be deadly force by gunshot if I was to be physically trespassed and finally cuffed but still resisting by being squirmy.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Here is a video showing exactly what I a mean. The guy claims he was moving his bike off the street after curfew. He was asked for ID but didn’t provide it fast enough. Until officers like this are removed, we will never have an end to this.
@thewheels
.308 Win
So here's a fact: There is a growing number of young men in particular (I am not virtue signalling, but women just have their shit together way more than males do these days; less crime, less failing out of school, less stupid shit in general) who are fucking bums. They may have a high school diploma, maybe they don't, but they hang around at home well into their 20's doing nothing more than video games, drinking, "hanging out".
This kind of behavior was impossible a century ago unless you were a lazy rich kid. it's possible now because we have such a surplus of resources, money, social coverage that it's now possible and in some circles acceptable for a male of 22 to be an absolute worthless shit, hanging around at home with no future and nobody to hold him accountable. His greatest accomplishment nutting in some girl he met the night before while drunk. The economy has not failed these young men. Their immediate social group and culture has.
And btw when these guys inevitably end up in jail I do not have a single tear for them. Nor do I accept any responsibility for it whatsoever.
Why Aren’t More Men Working? (Published 2018)
The low unemployment rate doesn’t tell the whole story about the state of the labor market.www.nytimes.com
More US men than ever are choosing not to work—but it's not the rise in stay-at-home dads
In the late 1950s and 60s, around 97% of men aged 25-54 worked or were looking for work. Today, less than 89% of them do.
The feminazis won. Women are more equal dintcha know?
There's a laundry list of reasons young men are where/what they are today thanks to the bullshit of the fem groups.
Supposedly one of them was on his 3rd shift as a cop and another on his 4th day. They said they spoke up but who knows if they did or they're covering their asses. Who wants to question their training officers actions at all, but especially when you're that new.
www.nbcnews.com
Ex-Minneapolis cop told other officers 'you shouldn't do this' during George Floyd's arrest, lawyer says
Attorneys for two of the officers, charged with aiding and abetting murder, claimed the men tried to express concern during Floyd's deadly arrest.
www.nbcnews.com