By black letter law it is no different than refusing service to a wheelchair bound patron. I guess they should stay home too. And I’m sure there are resources to investigate federal crimes.
It’s now a felony in Illinois to assault a retail worker who is enforcing face mask rules
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
so what happens after you gain entrance to the store, then take your Bitch muzzle off, I can play this control game all day.
Per EO if you’re maintaining 6ft you are not required.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Not the same. Wheel chairs and 100% safe in terms of spreading wheel chairs to others.
A virus is a complete different thing so it is absurd to compare those.
I heard others comparing a virus related policies and ordinances with firearms laws no matter how tired we are of the 2A abuses they are not
connected. Everything can be politicized but a virus doesn't care about rights or politics.
Both covered under ADA.
I do it all of the time. I walked into Tops today with a piece of useless cloth covering my mouth. Pass the registers and it goes around the neck. When I went to cash out, the girl behind the counter said I should have my mask on. I replied, Okay. She cashed me out, I left.
Kind of yes and a bit of no.
The ADA and Face Mask Policies < Southeast ADA Center
Overview Wearing a face mask may be difficult for some people with a disability. State and local government agencies or private businesses that want customers…
www.adasoutheast.org
If a person with a disability is unable to wear a face mask, do I still have to allow them in my business or government agency?
Thirty-two states currently have statewide mask mandates. These mandates vary by state but generally call for face masks to be worn inside public spaces, public transportation, and any situation that where six feet of social separation cannot occur. These mandates also include exemptions for children, people with disabilities or medical conditions, and situations where masks interfere with effective communication.[26] These state mandates do not override the consideration of reasonable modifications required by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). Many private businesses have also developed policies requiring the use of face masks. The ADA does not have any rules that address the required use of face masks by state and local governments or private business owners. The ADA does not have any rules that address the required use of face masks by state and local governments or private business owners.
If a person with a disability is not able to wear a face mask, state and local government agencies and private businesses must consider reasonable modifications to a face mask policy so that the person with the disability can participate in, or benefit from, the programs offered or goods and services that are provided. A reasonable modification means changing policies, practices, and procedures, if needed, to provide goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations to an individual with a disability.[10] It is important to focus on how to provide goods or services to a customer with a disability in an equal manner. This can be done by reasonably modifying your policies, practices, or procedures. The requirement to modify a policy, practice, or procedure does not include individuals without disabilities, as they are not protected under the ADA.
Examples of reasonable modifications to a face mask policy
- Allow a person to wear a scarf, loose face covering, or full face shield instead of a face mask;
- Allow customers to order online with curbside pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
- Allow customers to order by phone with curb-side pick-up or no contact delivery in a timely manner;
- Allow a person to wait in a car for an appointment and enter the building when called or texted; or
- Offer appointments by telephone or video calls.
The Americans with Disabilities Act does require disabled people to be “reasonably accommodated” when working with employers, public businesses and the government. These accommodations, though, do not allow for simple exemptions from mask-wearing without replacing it with another measure in line with public health requirements.
Government policy on the ADA and COVID-19
“The ADA does not provide a blanket exemption to people with disabilities from complying with legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operations,” the Department of Justice Department, which helps enforce the ADA, said in a June 30 press release.
Government policy on the ADA and COVID-19
“The ADA does not provide a blanket exemption to people with disabilities from complying with legitimate safety requirements necessary for safe operations,” the Department of Justice Department, which helps enforce the ADA, said in a June 30 press release.
I do not think the ADA is going to come with a hard stance either way on this issue for quite some time.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
I have just become Deaf because of Covid .. please remove your bitch muzzle so i can read your lips .. 
LOL
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The reasonable solution is what they can fall back on. You can always do curb side pick up.
I am not a naysayer to what you are preaching. I am on board with it. Just using the words that I have heard some stores use as an argument.
In every case in my experiences nobody offers any resistance when I tell them they way it is so I don’t really care. I also don’t dress like a slob with shaggy hair and carry myself with a professional appearance and demeanor. Most people don’t say boo to me. Might have something to do with being 6 03 and 250 as well
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Haha. All these old men here would piss their pants and call out for God if they ever became infected and developed severe issues breathing. But they are so damned cool and tough though. It’s something to marvel at and admire. “I ain’t wearing no bitch bag over my face that the gubmint wants me to wear.”
As much as I would like an I told you so, I hope they never get it. I do not wish that on anyone. I know of two heathy men that beat it (one in their late 40’s and the other in his 50’s) who swore they were going to die. Bedridden for weeks. No underlying medical issues.
But I’m making that up. This virus never really existed. It’s just like the flu.
As much as I would like an I told you so, I hope they never get it. I do not wish that on anyone. I know of two heathy men that beat it (one in their late 40’s and the other in his 50’s) who swore they were going to die. Bedridden for weeks. No underlying medical issues.
But I’m making that up. This virus never really existed. It’s just like the flu.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just because you survive it, it doesn’t mean that you will be alright. My cousin’s father beat it. He was the 50 year old that I was talking about. Now has COPD.
The other was a coworker on a ventilator in his 40’s. Beat it. But was months in the hospital. Was in an induced coma at one point. Lost so much bodyweight. Developed bed sores too.
Others have come out with just a headache as a symptom and others have perished. You never know how it will develop for you. We just had a member here lose someone that was healthy in his 50’s.
I’m not saying to be terrified. But to be totally nonchalant is foolish. But lots of foolishness happens here everyday so I’m not surprised.
The good news is it’s not your problem what happens to me. I prefer clean air and dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah. You can’t have it both ways though. If a private business doesn’t want your contaminated air, then out you go. But instead you want to force yourself on them with BS about exemptions that you do not rate stemming from power that the government does not have.
Lots of hypocrisy here just like always.
So, curious. Should that store be able to forbid a guy in a wheelchair to enter? How about a blind or deaf guy? How about a deaf and blind guy with a dog?
I am all about a business refusing service for ANY reason at all. Blind, deaf, dumb, skin color, accent, color of hair, smell of perfume. Any reason at all.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes. We’ve had these conversations before. No shirt no shoes. And if you don’t like a certain race, they aren’t welcome either. That’s how it’s supposed to be until the Government got their filthy hands on us and passed civil rights laws that apply to private property. Laws that force you to have to serve men behaving as women.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I know a bunch of people who have been killed in vehicle accidents.
I nearly died in one myself, spent weeks on a ventilator in an induced coma.
I do not quiver in fear every time I get into a car.
I have a much greater chance of dying or being crippled in a car crash than from covid.
I wear a seat belt, because they have been proven to be effective at reducing your injuries in a car crash.
I don't bother with masks if I have a choice because I haven't seen any convincing evidence that they are worth the trouble.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If it was the businesses choice then I would be behind you 100%.
But when government holds the businesses licenses hostage to get them to enforce edicts that the government has no right to enforce themselves, that's another thing entirely.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I have. That’s the difference.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah. So which is? There are people here who want to use so called government exemptions on private businesses.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It's the difference between how the world is and how it should be.
It *should* be that government isn't involved at all in this stuff (except if called about trespassing).
But, since the government has injected itself, people would be foolish not to force them to follow their own rules.
I dont know anything about this issue and I know different crimes call for different rules, but......
I know for a fact that it is 100% legal for a business...jewelry store, bank....can lock the doors while being robbed. I have a goid friend who has been installing these locking systems in NYS and PA for over a decade.
If the stire is being robbed, the employees can push a button to lock the doors automatically.
Apparently this is a 100% legal way to handle a robbery.
Again, I have no clue about the differences between robbery and not wearing a mask on this "door locking" issue.
But, with this, a case can be made for the legality of door locking.
I completely disagree with locking people in, even robbers....who wants the robbers inside when they were on their way out?......but, as we know, government doesnt make sense so door locking laws may be ok.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It is essentially a citizens arrest.
With all the attendant liability.
And on top of that a whole heap of fire code liability.
I am not sure what "crime" they are committing with the mask thing that they are being subjected to a citizens arrest for, or if that crime is even one that a citizens arrest is allowed.
If it's just trespass because they wouldn't leave, locking them in is going to be very hard to defend.
Especially since police typically just tell a trespasser they have to leave and if they do nothing happens anyway.
Robbery is a whole different beast.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The difference is pretty cut and dried. Robbery is taking property that doesn't belong to you. Not wearing a mask is well... not wearing a mask. Since when is not wearing a mask illegal? Now if you're committing robbery while wearing a mask now it's a whole other can of worms. Maybe they should cancel each other out.
I agree 100%
Im just saying there is some precedence for "door locking" in the law.
This would depend on how the local government sees the face mask law.
If its just a violation and a small fine or warning. Or if they see it as "attempted murder with bodily fluid".
Thats pretty far fetched but the demo lawmakers are insane as of late with their TDS, so, you never kniw.
In NYS you can be fined $10,000 for not quarantining right now, that would have seemed far fetched a year ago.
Either way, its gonna be tough winning a false imprisonment case in California with their activist judges.
"The health and saftey" of the public trumps your rights as of late.
The way I personally would handle this would be to just leave the store if told to leave.
If you lock me in, ill do the same.
The store will have to pay for their smashed door though.