Lead hunting ammo ban on Assembly agenda

[camper4lyfe]

Not sure if this law is meant to protect against lead in the water, or lead in the meat.
Here are 3 studies that show there is no conclusive proof that lead from game meat is harmful to humans.
The only info I could find about water is that the absolute miniscule amount of lead that would find its way into water, would be EASILY removed by the most basic water treatment.....including a $2 pitcher filter.....not to mention the mega million dollar filtration that most drinking water goes through.
The major factors for lead in drinking water comes from old water pipes and solder flux used to connect pipes.

How Dangerous, Really, Is Lead Ammunition? – Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership

drgo.us

It’s 100% about control. The amount of lead that makes it to the ground on state land is so minuscule and the amount of that lead that makes it into any water is even smaller. The amount of that water that makes it into the NYC watershed is even smaller than that; an immeasurable amount.

Funny it’s only about NYC water while fuck the rest of the state, right?

 

[Criticalt]

The law isn't about either of those.

Of course but apparently they are writing the law to combat lead in NYCs drinking water.
According to the reliable info I have found, this is a non issue. The amount of lead from hunting is extremely tiny and all of NYCs water is run through very advanced filtration and purification treatments.
Of course you can find contradictory info created by the same "scientists" who create the leftists climate "science"...... paid shills.
Real science shows very little proof that even straight up lead from eating pellets in game meat harm humans....even children.

And, just to add to this....
Steel shot and bullets suck almost as bad as steel cased ammo.

 

[Criticalt]

It’s 100% about control. The amount of lead that makes it to the ground on state land is so minuscule and the amount of that lead that makes it into any water is even smaller. The amount of that water that makes it into the NYC watershed is even smaller than that; an immeasurable amount.

Funny it’s only about NYC water while fuck the rest of the state, right?

Well NYC is where the smarterest people need to do their smart thinkin to help us dolts to learn to be good NYers.

 

[spat]

Do you see any of the Fudd sportsmens or conservation groups talking about this?

No.

If you only fire 5 rounds a year you don't care so much if they're expensive.

 

[mca90guitar]

My 308 doesn't like barnes

 

[spat]

Of course but apparently they are writing the law to combat lead in NYCs drinking water.
According to the reliable info I have found, this is a non issue. The amount of lead from hunting is extremely tiny and all of NYCs water is run through very advanced filtration and purification treatments.
Of course you can find contradictory info created by the same "scientists" who create the leftists climate "science"...... paid shills.
Real science shows very little proof that even straight up lead from eating pellets in game meat harm humans....even children.

And, just to add to this....
Steel shot and bullets suck almost as bad as steel cased ammo.

They are not writing the law to combat lead in the NYC drinking water anymore than the laws requiring segregated lunch counters were about public health.

Or the laws about how much fabric you could use in clothing were about conservation of resources .

This is an attempt to oppress a disfavored minority, plain and simple.

 

[spat]

So they can "drink your pee"?

Hate to break it to you but there is no "new" water on earth. It's the same stuff that's been used for millions of years. Chances are you're drinking water that's been filled with dinosaur pre, whale poo, lizard excretion, and yes - other humans pee/poop too at one point. So go ahead and pour yourself a tall glass.

Heh, I prefer to think of it as recycled stardust. Well, most of the water anyway, the hydrogen could be primordial.

 

[spat]

It’s the symbolism that counts. The dilution alone would prevent anyone even noticing. I would be highly amused to tell an acquaintance in NYC that I pissed in their drinking water.

Wait till they find out where bears shit.

 

[kev74]

Don't worry. The Fudds are all over this.

From: New York Chapter <newyork@backcountryhunters.org>
Date: Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed Lead Ammo Ban
To:***

Hey David, Thanks for reaching out regarding this topic. Below is an email we with an attached letter that we plan to send to the Assembly and Senate. Our hope is to from a coalition of partners that will sign on to this letter. Is this something that ***** would entertain join us?

Hello Everyone, we hope this email finds you all in good health!

The New York chapter of Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (NY BHA) plans to send the attached Letter of Advisement regarding the proposed Lead Ammunition Ban (s5058 Reichlin-Melnick / a5728 Glick) to the Senate and Assembly EnCon Committees in an effort to engage in a constructive dialogue, and to encourage the committees to consider encouraging voluntary adoption of non-lead ammunition.

To be clear, we support the transition to non-lead alternatives, and are well aware of the impacts of using lead ammunition on wildlife and our public resources. We share the concern. However, for the reasons listed in our letter, we think an outright ban would lead to unintended consequences that will undermine the legislation's intent. In addition, and through our experiences in working with partners such as the North American Non-Lead Partnership, we've found that incentivization paired with educational campaigns on the benefits of non-lead alternatives result in positive hunter engagement and lasting outcomes in the switch to non-lead ammunition.

Our ask is that you consider adding your organization's name to the attached letter, and/or engage with us on the initiative so that we approach this very important issue in a coordinated, unified effort. We seek partners both inside and outside of the hunting community, because our shared values in conservation present a unique opportunity for us to make a positive impact within our State Legislature.

If your organization decides to engage and/or sign on, please respond back to this email to let us know. In addition, if you have any suggestions, or any other ideas on how we can work together, please share those too! We look forward to hearing from you and hope you decide to join NY BHA in reducing the unintended impacts of using lead ammunition on our shared wild public lands.

Best Regards,



Glen Stratton
New York BHA Chapter, Chair
newyork@backcountryhunters.org

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

So will this cure liberalism and other mental illnesses in NYC.

they fixed that 10yrs ago when they banned lead wheel weights...cuz so many were going around chewing on rims

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

Of course but apparently they are writing the law to combat lead in NYCs drinking water.
According to the reliable info I have found, this is a non issue. The amount of lead from hunting is extremely tiny and all of NYCs water is run through very advanced filtration and purification treatments.
Of course you can find contradictory info created by the same "scientists" who create the leftists climate "science"...... paid shills.
Real science shows very little proof that even straight up lead from eating pellets in game meat harm humans....even children.

And, just to add to this....
Steel shot and bullets suck almost as bad as steel cased ammo.

Step 1: Ban lead ammo in NYC watershed
Step 2: Ban lead ammo in all of NYS
Step 3: Ban all ammo, period, unless they already took the guns by this point.

We should 'inform' them that uranium jacketed mercury is more effective anyway. We are switching to that. Schumer will be crying on tv as soon as I post this.

 

[Saltwater60]

Not sure if this law is meant to protect against lead in the water, or lead in the meat.
Here are 3 studies that show there is no conclusive proof that lead from game meat is harmful to humans.
The only info I could find about water is that the absolute miniscule amount of lead that would find its way into water, would be EASILY removed by the most basic water treatment.....including a $2 pitcher filter.....not to mention the mega million dollar filtration that most drinking water goes through.
The major factors for lead in drinking water comes from old water pipes and solder flux used to connect pipes.

How Dangerous, Really, Is Lead Ammunition? – Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership

drgo.us

You give them too much credit.
The goal is to price us out of things. Tungsten is 10 times the cost $50 for 5 rounds. Brass and steel are what 5 times the cost. Could you imagine trap shooting? Just trying to narrow the market and less exposure to guns. Most gun ranges that had any outdoor shooting would close. Then it’s why do you need a gun again? You don’t target shoot and you don’t hunt? Oh wait there’s no purpose anymore for the second amendment because people don’t hunt anymore.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

You give them too much credit.
The goal is to price us out of things. Tungsten is 10 times the cost $50 for 5 rounds. Brass and steel are what 5 times the cost. Could you imagine trap shooting? Just trying to narrow the market and less exposure to guns. Most gun ranges that had any outdoor shooting would close. Then it’s why do you need a gun again? You don’t target shoot and you don’t hunt? Oh wait there’s no purpose anymore for the second amendment because people don’t hunt anymore.

Fudds who hunt deer and only shoot 2-3 rounds per year for sight-in and harvest are not concerned if ammo is $50-100 box as they buy only one box every decade or so.

 

[2WheelGnnr]

Lets just take it all the way and now we have to buy/use ICE bullets.......they dont leave anything to hurt the environment.....especially as they have to be froze from natural spring water..IE Bottled Water ICE Bullets for all!!!!!!!

Go get them deer boys!!!!!!

 

[Acer-m14]

gunna have to hit ctrl pew again and search if any have done this ... 3d printed steel core bullets

BTW i check my spam can again and its steel core too .. not one Russian word on it saying it contains lead LOL ..

 

[SmallGameAddict]

A) i vote in every election in this God-forsaken state, and very little ever changes at the state level
B) I've been expecting this cuz...
C) A number of other states have been doing this very thing for years
D) I hunt my own land
E) I'm leaving NYS anyway
F) If FORCED to use notox somehow, I'll buy bismuth, likely direct from Boss Shotshell

Boss Shotshells

Originally crafter Copper-Plated non-toxic shotshells freely made in the USA.

bossshotshells.com

 

[gunpoliticsny]

A-5728 has advanced to 3rd Reading.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I say good. (sorry for you sportsmen here I know this isn't directed at you) because I want to get the fudds mad. I want them to start being affected.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

It's not an unpopular opinion.

 

[Xae289]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I say good. (sorry for you sportsmen here I know this isn't directed at you) because I want to get the fudds mad. I want them to start being affected.

I don't know many Dem-voting hunters, including all the Fudds. I can think of one, and he's young and wouldn't stop voting Democrat if they completely banned guns and told him he couldn't hunt at all.

 

[Bob]

I don't know many Dem-voting hunters, including all the Fudds. I can think of one, and he's young and wouldn't stop voting Democrat if they completely banned guns and told him he couldn't hunt at all.

I do, however, know a bunch of hunters who have turned a blind eye to the state's steady infringement upon our rights because these infringements don't directly impact them. Once something like this makes it difficult for Elmer to find ammo for granddad's deer rifle, maybe he'll finally join the fight.

And if not, fuckem.

 

[Robin]

Well, I just can't help but think, just as they did, knowingly, ban ten round magazines's with the idea of rendering millions of guns illegal, they will probably put a rider in there making it illegal to possess ammunition with lead in the projectile, rendering everyone's stockpile illegal. Even on the practice range.
I don't wish it to pass, for any reason. There is a NYHUNTERS forum, go there, register, give the FUDD's a hard time, rag on them. Don't wish for the passage of more of these terrible infringement's to befall all of us.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

Well, I just can't help but think, just as they did, knowingly, ban ten round magazines's with the idea of rendering millions of guns illegal, they will probably put a rider in there making it illegal to possess ammunition with lead in the projectile, rendering everyone's stockpile illegal. Even on the practice range.
I don't wish it to pass, for any reason. There is a NYHUNTERS forum, go there, register, give the FUDD's a hard time, rag on them. Don't wish for the passage of more of these terrible infringement's to befall all of us.
Robin

So, who is going to check the guns of all these hunters?

They gonna come on my land while I am hunting to inspect the makeup of my bullets?

Stupid fucking people.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

The law applies only to public land and any land in the watershed area. Hunting on private property would be unaffected.

 

[Cavalry]

gunna have to hit ctrl pew again and search if any have done this ... 3d printed steel core bullets

Check into Dagny Dagger, not quite what you are looking for but same idea

 

[Robin]

The law applies only to public land and any land in the watershed area. Hunting on private property would be unaffected.

So far! Just another incremental step toward disarmament. If you don't know where you were you can only guess where you're going.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

The law applies only to public land and any land in the watershed area. Hunting on private property would be unaffected.

looks like all of NY is a watershed

Watersheds

A watershed is an area of land that drains water into a specific body of water. Watersheds include networks of rivers, streams, and lakes and the land area surrounding them. Watersheds are separated by high elevation geographic features (mountains, hills, ridges).

www.dec.ny.gov

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Wildlife shall not be taken with the use of lead ammunition on: (1)
5 wildlife management areas, state forests, forest preserves, state parks
6 or any other state-owned land that is open for hunting; and (2) the land
7 area contributing surface water to the New York city water supply.

As I have said many times in the past, bills are written to be as vague as possible so as to be as all encompassing as possible.

 

[drowhawk]

Wildlife shall not be taken with the use of lead ammunition on: (1)
5 wildlife management areas, state forests, forest preserves, state parks
6 or any other state-owned land that is open for hunting; and (2) the land
7 area contributing surface water to the New York city water supply.

As I have said many times in the past, bills are written to be as vague as possible so as to be as all encompassing as possible.

They will define grass as 'wildlife' and 'taking' as your bullet hurts a sapling in a hillside you are using as a backstop. They just want to ban shooting all together. Let's get real here.