This just come across as clear cut to me as it seems to others.
Legal non-NFA short barrel "other" or "firearm"
- Thread starter freddy
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think he already explained why in previous posts. Regardless, rifle to pistol isn't the issue here. It's whether you have a pistol as per NY law. The semantics argument of whether it was a rifle first is irrelevant to the firearm in question.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Nys law just comes across as a clear cut violation of the constitution.....to me as it seems to others.
Me too, absolutely. But good luck being the example to prove that.
We shouldn't be concerned with the configuration of any firearm other than from the gun geek point of view. But that's never going to be reality.
We shouldn't be concerned with the configuration of any firearm other than from the gun geek point of view. But that's never going to be reality.
S
stuck in ny
Guest
Perhaps somebody should make a sacrificial test case. Make the weapon described in the OP. Take it to the range and purposely get arrested for it.
Then, after getting some sort of ruling what it is, jump the shark, open the receivers and reveal the weapon to be not anything they said it is, but merely an 80%!
Then, after getting some sort of ruling what it is, jump the shark, open the receivers and reveal the weapon to be not anything they said it is, but merely an 80%!
freddy
.308 Win
Can you provide any info on this? Name? Or link please?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Lol. You are obsessed!
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Google. Your head will hurt fromthe zillon threads.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
They wont arrest you. They know they will loose.
I am not suggesting anyone breaks the law.......here is what i do.
I have 5 select fire weapons. I use them at various ranges and "in the farmers field". I drive around with them. I have even shot them in another state. No one has ever queationed me...let alone considered arresting me.....YET! And these babies tock and roll! The AK usually makes the neighbors call.... i guess i should throw down on a can for it already!
Oh! And i have cans for all of em but the ak. Still no trouble. They dont even inquire.
freddy
.308 Win
Ha! Love it!
freddy
.308 Win
Where? Is it under the 'firearm' definition in PL265 (below)? Or somewhere else?
"Firearm" means (a) any pistol or revolver; or (b) a shotgun having
one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length; or (c) a rifle
having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length; or (d)
any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle whether by alteration,
modification, or otherwise if such weapon as altered, modified, or
otherwise has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches; or (e)
an assault weapon.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
How much does the licensing required to keep all that legal in NY cost ?
How hard would it be to set up a corporation to own a bunch of class 3 toys in NY and have "corporate officers" store and use them at home.
freddy
.308 Win
I second that.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I guarantee you run my 1919A4 for a few minutes and someone is gonna helicopter out to you in a Blackhawk and take your ass to Rikers Island.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Bring it in. I will run it!
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
It requires an FFL. $200. It requires the ability to work out of your home or a business location that allows the sale of firearms.
In SOT. $500 per year.
If you want select fire weapons basically the only way to do that is to have a manufacturing license 07FFL. Regular 01FFL can only have select fire weapons if they have a law letter.
You have to pay ITAR yearly, $2250 for the manufacturing of firearms.
10 or 11% excise tax for every rifle pistol shotgun or any ammunition that you produce.
Then you would have to pay insurance. Insurance premium is based on location how far from department/ hydrant and how many guns you produce and sell a year, etc. etc. . They usually start 7 to $10,000 a year.
And then of course, the acquisition of all the fun shit.
And Ammo
freddy
.308 Win
Easy.
Group buy. Who's in?
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
It's not legal for me to bring it from CT to NY. I think having my Class III collection in NY is like 10 years and $10K fine per piece. Or something horrible like that. That's why I say Uncle Sam would come immediately to the site of the sound. I used to run my 1919A4 in GA (along with my other stuff) and the neighbors would complain. County Sheriff would call to check if I am running the machine guns; but wouldn't come out. They knew I had a range on my land and I suspect they just have to check the BATFE registry somehow to confirm what weapons are registered to that address. You put your address on the application for the $200 stamp. When you get the stamp your address is on there too.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
It can be here in my possesion. Repair etc etc. i just gotta put it in my book.
I will come to you.....i will bring ammo
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GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Can I come help with the repair? Pretty large to be working on yourself.
Sure
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
It runs about 800 rounds a minute. You can't shoot it at my mom's in CT - she doesn't have a range. We need to run it here in NY on my range; but we have to make sure that's legal to do. I'm not convinced it is - that's why I left all my Class III out of state. I'll research it.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It should be perfectly legal for you to ship it to any licensed class 3 manufacturer for a "function check".
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Even though NY won't let us have our Class III stuff here?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Bulletguy can have it, he's got the licenses.
You can't have it here because you don't pay enough money to the right people...
'Cause that's how it works in NY.
But if they are temp in his custody, shouldn't be a problem at all.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Licensed entities can have them.
I can posses/repair/gunsmith any title II weapon (NFA) except destructive devices. I have a fed license for them and a nys exemption/license.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I will ponder the offer. Honestly, I am wary of some folks on this site and there are some I have disdain and dislike of. That is the main reason I am reticent to send my Class III stuff from CT and GA to NY for some fun shooting; and why I have stopped inviting people out to my range from this forum. While it is true that none of us will ever get along with everyone in the world; I certainly do not want to invite trouble into my life. I hope you understand, even if you disagree with my apparent paranoia on the subject.
freddy
.308 Win
This term 'other' - is it a federal term/definition or a NYS term/definition? Any idea where the term is defined in the statutes? I cannot find it.
Or is 'other' simply what is ticked off on the 4473 NICS form? (example; lowers and the mossberg shockwave)
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I went through this as well. I have a house in Florida and in NY. I also use to have my FFL/SOT in Florida but not in NY. The closest to NY I would get too would be PA with my Class III stuff.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
This guy was just trying to be sneaky and find my address and that of my mom (CT) and son (GA). He was trolling. Turns out he doesn't even own a gun store. Yeah - PA is a great place because it's so close to us and has fairly lax laws. I have a friend near Philly that owns a gun store and says I am always welcome to keep my Class III stuff in his safes at his store and visit them periodically. Sadly though he doesn't have a range of his own. ;-)
Truly with the cost of ammo these days - it's almost not even worth firing a Class III. My 1919A4 chews through $1K per minute for ammo. So you fire for 10 minutes and it's the cost of a used Corvette or 57 Chevy. I'm just sitting on the Class III for a bit longer until I like the market prices, then I want to flip them all and buy gold and silver ingots. I have a feeling a zombie apocalypse is on it's way here. I'm thinking the P/E of most companies is just too high; and I also think a war with ISIS and a war with North Korea could be coming down the pike which would make the market really nervous. And let's not forget we have like 20 trillion in national debt and 80 trillion in unfunded debt. So that could crash the market too.