spat
.700 Nitro Express
Really ? A rail isn't a mount ? Why is that ? It can be used to attach a bayonet.
Legality of "Featureless Rifles" in NYS
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. A bayonet cannot attach to the rail by itself. It needs to be put in a mount and the mount attaches to the rail.
You already knew that and are being ridiculous.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The magazine cannot attach to the rifle if the magazine catch was replaced by a fixed version either.
Why do you have one set of logic for a magazine and another for a bayonet ?
Is an AR with the magazine catch removed such that you just load each round single shot compliant ? Or is the fact that you can just put the parts back enough to make it an AW ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Because the law doesn't say the ability to accept a bayonet mount.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No because it still has the ability to accept a magazine. Why do you keep asking the same thing over and over?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They don't have the ability to accept a bayonet mount, they *have* a bayonet mount. I.e. the ability to accept a bayonet.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm done with the bayonet mount argument. It's been explained already. A rail is not mount.
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's a mount built into the blade. Next.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's amazing how you guys take things personal as if I wrote an illogical law because you have fixed magazines.
I didn't write it. I'm just telling you what it says.
I didn't write it. I'm just telling you what it says.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, it *seems* like you are saying every semi auto rifle is illegal, but then you claim that isn't what you're saying. We're just trying to figure our what you *are* saying.
If you're right, then we all need to rethink our compliance options. So far you haven't been very convincing though.
So, what semi auto rifle would you feel comfortable showing up with at "range day with the NYSP" ?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Can I claim that my magazine accepts the rifle and not the other way around then ?
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Now we are getting somewhere! You didn't write it so all you can do is interpret what you think it says. Good for you man. Now if you wrote it that would be another conversation.
Uzi
.308 Win
Will, I think most people would agree that if an individual were to secure in place a magazine lock like the prince 50, allstar tactical, or dd's lock, that you would not be able to put in another magazine, since you cannot take anything out in the first place. The safe act law doesn't pertain to a future non existent reconstruction of a configuration. You still want to ignore that so you can feel like you're right, but it's just plain and simply not right. Not only is your interpretation still flawed, but you also want to ignore the fact that "ability" is listed into the law and not "capability" which is undeniably important considering they mean two different things which even further reinforce why a fixed and locked magazine would be legal, and which is why a "from the ground up build" is no different if you want to talk about irrelavant reconstruction and the use of tools. If you want to pretend that it says capabilities and how a rifle can be reconstructed (which doesn't exist) then you would be 100% correct, but in reality that's just not the case.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Any semi auto rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has no banned features. You pick one.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
OK, now what if you've got a pocket knife and a roll of duct tape ? Bayonet mount ?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Are you conceding the point that you don't believe any rifle can have a fixed *enough* magazine to satisfy SAFE ? .
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
In that case the tape would be the mount.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. I already explained that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It doesn't matter what most people agree. It matters what's written and if a DA will prosecute.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You keep saying that, but obviously not well enough for us to understand. What does it take for a magazine to be "fixed" in your opinion ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It says what it says. Basic english.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, in that case, since nobody has been prosecuted in years for this, and there are tens or hundreds of thousands of rifles out there with just a BB, can we conclude that it is GTG ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When the rifle cannot accept a detachable magazine at all. This was explained already.
Uzi
.308 Win
You're saying what you're saying, not what the law is saying.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Well, I think a rifle with a BB installed and a magazine inserted can't accept another magazine at all.
You are using circular reasoning and it is keeping us from getting anywhere. "This was explained already" just means that you are repeating yourself, obviously it wasn't explained very well.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No. Just because they haven't been prosecuted, that doesn't mean it's legal. It just means that a plea was taken, the DA never prosecuted, or no one got arrested and took it to the end.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What is is that you want to know? Be specific.
Uzi
.308 Win
