Uzi
.308 Win
Legality of "Featureless Rifles" in NYS
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's ridiculous. If I use my fingernail, I can remove the magazine and the rifle can accept another one.
That's like saying if a magazine is in your Glock, it cannot accept another one.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Exactly.
Uzi
.308 Win
Lets at least agree that some of us do not have the ability to accept each other's opinions then?
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Fuck compliance, some people are their own worst enemy.
Uzi
.308 Win
Will, see what I did there?...
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
There is no law that says you don't have to in that case. There is a law however on the rifle.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You've been very angry lately.
Uzi
.308 Win
I do agree, there are laws on rifles.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Actually no. I must have missed it.
Uzi
.308 Win
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Lately lol!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Actually, since the other site tanked. You haven't been the same since. Not saying you miss the site, just stating the time line. You no longer post anything.
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
spat
.950 JDJ
If the prosecutor is allowed to "gunsmith" the rifle, then a solid block of aluminum can be turned into an AW.
I see no difference between drilling out some epoxy, and milling a mag well from scratch. You haven't explained what you think the difference is.
Edit: this was supposed to be a reply to @Willjr75
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You don't need to drill out epoxy in the bullet button. A nail and a good whack would puncture a hole and drop the magazine. Not that it matters. It's the same result.
Besides, the law doesn't say gunsmithing.
spat
.950 JDJ
Drill, or hammer and nail, it's still gunsmithing.
"No gunsmithing" is implied, otherwise *everyone* has an AW, even if they don't *think* they have any guns...
That's where the tool thing comes in. If you don't exclude gunsmithing (i.e. use of tools), then I can take any aluminum scrap you have lying around and turn it into a machinegun.
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Wish someone had fixed Mario.
Robin
Robin
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Does the law say semi automatic and the ability to accept a detachable magazine except via gunsmithing?
spat
.950 JDJ
OK, then the intake manifold on your truck is an AW once I get done with it.....
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
There is no law that says ability to accept in regards to intake manifolds.
spat
.950 JDJ
Once I melt it down and recast it into an AR receiver it can.
If you can use tools, where is the limit ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Correct as long as the upper is semi automatic and together it functions as designed.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Just so you know, I kept dry heaving while copying and pasting this.
S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by
chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows:
22. "Assault weapon" means [(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
S. 2230 18 A. 2388
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encir-
cles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16);
(ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine
that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
(iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds
of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;
(iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof,
specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was
manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere
fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to
mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or
(v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivi-
sion lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred
ninety-four.]
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR
S 37. Subdivision 22 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as added by
chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows:
22. "Assault weapon" means [(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an
ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the
following characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor;
(v) a grenade launcher; or
(b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following
characteristics:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds;
(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; or
(c) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least two of the following characteristics:
S. 2230 18 A. 2388
(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
pistol grip;
(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encir-
cles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
the nontrigger hand without being burned;
(iv) a manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded;
(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm;
or
(d) any of the weapons, or functioning frames or receivers of such
weapons, or copies or duplicates of such weapons, in any caliber, known
as:
(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all
models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG;
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;
(e) provided, however, that such term does not include: (i) any rifle,
shotgun or pistol that (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or
slide action; (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or (C) is an
antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16);
(ii) a semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine
that holds more than five rounds of ammunition;
(iii) a semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds
of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine;
(iv) a rifle, shotgun or pistol, or a replica or a duplicate thereof,
specified in Appendix A to section 922 of 18 U.S.C. as such weapon was
manufactured on October first, nineteen hundred ninety-three. The mere
fact that a weapon is not listed in Appendix A shall not be construed to
mean that such weapon is an assault weapon; or
(v) a semiautomatic rifle, a semiautomatic shotgun or a semiautomatic
pistol or any of the weapons defined in paragraph (d) of this subdivi-
sion lawfully possessed prior to September fourteenth, nineteen hundred
ninety-four.]
(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE
MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF
THE WEAPON;
(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;
(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED
BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR
MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;
(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR
This is almost as bad as Facebook. Look boys, the simple truth is that unless you are running around a schoolyard with a compliant AR you won't be bothered.
After spending a great deal of time on this issue, this AUG won't be coming with me when I move back to NY.
However several like this AR will.
How you ask....... because it is fitted with a fixed 10 round magazine that requires tools to remove and will be loaded through the port with this neat gizmo.
The level of paranoia displayed on all too many gun sites is disconcerting. Any research on SAFE act charges finds they are mostly in urban areas and mostly were "add ons" to criminals arrested for other crimes.
After spending a great deal of time on this issue, this AUG won't be coming with me when I move back to NY.
However several like this AR will.
How you ask....... because it is fitted with a fixed 10 round magazine that requires tools to remove and will be loaded through the port with this neat gizmo.
The level of paranoia displayed on all too many gun sites is disconcerting. Any research on SAFE act charges finds they are mostly in urban areas and mostly were "add ons" to criminals arrested for other crimes.
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GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
Well that's that I guess, he's got it all figured out. Mods can close this thread now.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That has been debated already in previous posts and threads so why bring it up again? Regular non epoxied bullet button rifles were sold too back in 2013 and 2014. Now they aren't.
