Lets talk Red Dots on handguns
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knuts
.45 acp
Anyone got personal and first hand experience with swampfox optics? Their liberty and justice red dots are on 30% sale on amazon right now
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
I just got my Glock 43 slide back from Battlewerx. I sent it out around Thanksgiving for milling (to mount a Holosun 507K) and nitride refinishing.
I think that they did a great job. I chose them for the post-style sockets for extra stability and more threads for the screws to grip.
The standard height pre-milling Trijicon sights are still usable.
Now, I've got to modify my kydex holsters to accommodate the optic. Removing a notch of kydex with a Dremel cutting wheel and then sanding and polishing the edges should not take that long.
I think that they did a great job. I chose them for the post-style sockets for extra stability and more threads for the screws to grip.
The standard height pre-milling Trijicon sights are still usable.
Now, I've got to modify my kydex holsters to accommodate the optic. Removing a notch of kydex with a Dremel cutting wheel and then sanding and polishing the edges should not take that long.
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Well thats something I never heard of or saw. Will check out after work
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Haven't read all 25 pages of this thread but am considering a red dot for my XDS 45. Currently thinking Vortex Venom. I was thinking of using the dovetail mount to replace the rear sight.
I would prefer to have the slide milled though. Anyone know anything about DV8 tactical? $125 For milling and $55 to Cerakote. Plus my shipping and insurance to get it to them.
I would prefer to have the slide milled though. Anyone know anything about DV8 tactical? $125 For milling and $55 to Cerakote. Plus my shipping and insurance to get it to them.
Dv8 does decent work from what I've seen
Don't waste your money on a vortex.
Direct mill is always the best option, depending on the multi optic cut and plate combination that rough is also now becoming a very solid choice after direct milling with the added benefits of future proofing your slide.
Dovetail mounts are meh ok for range but usually put the height over bore well very high, plus most lose the ability to have BUIS with a few very few exceptions
Don't waste your money on a vortex.
Direct mill is always the best option, depending on the multi optic cut and plate combination that rough is also now becoming a very solid choice after direct milling with the added benefits of future proofing your slide.
Dovetail mounts are meh ok for range but usually put the height over bore well very high, plus most lose the ability to have BUIS with a few very few exceptions
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
According to them, with the factory slide, I'm limited to the viper, venom, or Burris fastfire
I would then suggest not getting a dot unless you only plan on range fun and maybe dipping your toes into the world of dots and then plan on a better combo
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Seconding this - I have one on a .22 pistol and wouldn't trust it on a carry gun. Last time I took it to the range I could barely get it bright enough to use outside - though might need a new battery, though I turn it off when not at the range.
Holosun or Trijicon seems to be the gold standard, expensive ($220+ for Holosun, $400+ for Trijicon) but if you want carry reliability you kind of need it. Caveat: I only have experience with Holosun optics - I'm sure some people have carried Swampfox, Bushnell, Burris etc... but YMMV.
I picked up a Bushnell RXS-100 to try on a 10/22, will post about it soon. First glance it seems very well-made, crisp dot and small form factor.
I had a Burris and would trust it LESS than a vortex
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Well, it's only $60 more for a 510c. That I can deal with.
The aftermarket slide that would take the Holosun is $338, If I'm going to spend that much, it might be cheaper to buy a new pistol and sell the xds
The aftermarket slide that would take the Holosun is $338, If I'm going to spend that much, it might be cheaper to buy a new pistol and sell the xds
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
510c is rifle-size, I have one (with green reticle, quite nice). Next pistol optic I'll get will be green also, looks a little clearer to my eyes (slight astigmatism, I use Rx lenses but also train without glasses, "just in case".
1075tech
.338 Win Mag
Yeah. I meant 507c. I was looking at different ones. Same price
I worked on an XDm 45acp once, and I replaced all the internals in the slide. It was the worst experience I’ve ever had working on a pistol EVER. It was a new DV8 slide. After getting all the annoying roll pins out and the number one worst Godforsaken extractor, come to find that DV8 completely forgot to mill the section out of the slide to allow for the takedown lever to rotate to allow it to be installed on the frame. So the slide had to be sent out again and have them re-mill it.
Replaced it with all new internals, many being Springer Precision parts. Had to custom fit the barrel to the slide because when he first gave it to me, it would not fit even remotely close. End result was it works as intended but was the largest pain in my ass ever. Not a fan of the extra flap of ugly Hogue grip that he likes on the grip, but to each his own.
Hard NO!
I 100% approve the selling of the XDs and getting a new pistol that has a much larger aftermarket for quality parts. There are so many more options out there. You’re very limited to what you can do with any of the XD’s. There’s not a ton of companies that work on them or make parts for them. I don’t want to talk you out of a pistol you really enjoy or like, but you’ll broaden your options by choosing a gun that more companies create parts for. Most companies don’t even accept XD slides for milling packages.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I received my printed copy of "Guns & Ammo" yesterday (yes I know I'm on lists), and their main story is this red dot sight. Obviously the majority of these articles are positive so as not to ruin their relationship with the gun companies, but reading the details it certainly sounds interesting.
According to the article you do NOT need to totally take off to remove the slide, just the battery cover. It is aligned with the front sight and is a closed emitter. There are two models - one for M&P (non-CORE) and one for Glock. It has a "Shake Awake" style tech, I forgot their name for it, and the author says it is plenty bright even in sun. He also said his PVS-14 worked with it.
In related news, the issue also featured an upcoming new model of Taurus TX22 - a Competition model with optic rail installed.
According to the article you do NOT need to totally take off to remove the slide, just the battery cover. It is aligned with the front sight and is a closed emitter. There are two models - one for M&P (non-CORE) and one for Glock. It has a "Shake Awake" style tech, I forgot their name for it, and the author says it is plenty bright even in sun. He also said his PVS-14 worked with it.
In related news, the issue also featured an upcoming new model of Taurus TX22 - a Competition model with optic rail installed.
Fixed it for you
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
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I would say hit that sharp 90 degree edge with a little bit of sandpaper. Round off and smooth it out just so it’s not such a sharp of an edge.
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I have not shot the DeltaPoint Micro yet but I feel like it’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. I’m not exactly sure why it’s created. The only reason you would shoots this over something like an RMR, RMRcc, HE508T, HE509...is because you don’t want to mill to spend the money to have your slide milled for an optic. I see it more as a gateway optic to get people in the door to realize red dots on pistols have a purpose and can be utilized. Once someone uses a DeltaPoint Micro and realizes they are more precise with the 3moa dot than they are with irons, they’ll most likely look into getting a better red dot. If it does it’s purpose of getting more people into red dots, than fine I’m all for it. But don’t try and tell me that it’s nicer than an RMR or 508T/509T. The glass and tube size on the DeltaPoint Micro is so small that if you draw and don’t 100% have it aligned correctly (let’s be honest, no one is perfect and getting that red dot perfectly aligned every time), that dot is going to be nowhere to be found and will end up with more people wiggling their pistols around fishing for a reticle than ever before. Another part I’m not getting is they say that it’s marketed as the most concealable red dot on the market. I’m not so sure about that, you’re sticking something on your gun that is literally extending the length of your slide, so now you no longer have a 17, you know have a 17L length slide. We all know the length of the slide is more of a factor of how a pistol conceals than an optic that comes up off the top of the slide (like an RMR) which better conceals inside pants. It might be the most low-profile in regards to how low it sits on the slide since it co-witnesses with irons but the “most concealable”, I’d beg to differ. Another issue I have with the DeltaPoint Micro is what’s your plan when you really want to clean your gun, take your backplate off and then are not able to remove your striker assembly? I know you usually don’t have to clean those but what if you wanted to? Or HAD to because your striker broke or have a weak striker spring and they need replacing? You’re going to have to completely remove the DeltaPoint Micro so you can gain full access to the internals. After the replacing the broken parts you’re going to have to reinstall the DeltaPoint Micro and then re-zero it. Sure you could just slave it to the front iron, but that’s not very accurate and shouldn’t be done as a finished completed zero.
My issue with the conceal ability is you are going to have that battery compartment jabbing you in the stomach/ribs/side.
For example my CZ P07 (gone now F) was about about same size length wise as my G17 (if you factored in the beaver tail for the hammer. Which I do) thing is the P07 while not a bad gun to carry by any means, but the beavertail was noticeable, even more so when I went back to carrying a Glock, like it was night and day comfort wise for a same/similar lenght gun.
No one is going to carry with this dumb optic.
Oh and as for an entry into optics, while I get your idea and reasoning, I think cost will prevent it from being that.. its $500+ hell most people's reasoning to not get into the red dot game even with Holosun as an option is cost
Absolutely, but I’m not just taking the cost of the optic like a lower budget Holosun. When people are just getting into red dots they could be weary and indecisive if they even like it or not. So I can see them going with a DeltaPoint Micro for ease of use. If they went the other route they would have to spend the money on a decent red dot and the cost of sending the slide of to a reputable company for the milling/refinishing work. They also have to deal with the wait times of sending their slide out for the milling process. These people are unsure if they’ll even prefer having a red dot, so they’ll be apprehensive to permanently alter their firearm for something they are unsure of. So I could see them choosing an option that can always be reverted back to its factory setup. Personally, I don’t think the DeltaPoint Micro is going to do as well as they are hoping.
I'm pretty sure 9 months from now it will almost be nonexistent and 2 years not even in their catalog