Mandated covid19 vaccines for all NYC employees

[Acer-m14]

Biden Makes It Official: Federal Workers Must Get Vaccine or Submit to Regular Testing — Postal Union, Others Push Back

Biden’s plan to require all federal employees and contractors to get the COVID vaccine or submit to regular testing, wear masks and socially distance is already getting pushback from those who question the constitutional legality and how mandates would be enforced.

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USPS is pushing back.

while his southern border is wide ass open and so called COVID poring in ... Fkoff biden ..

 

[Defilade]

 

[Truebeliever]

Many said this was a very strong flu season so yes more difficult than the regular flu season. It wasn't more than that though. Guess what, if you keep testing most if not all people will be shown to have been exposed to it. You have been exposed to so much stuff in your life that you aren't even aware of because you don't get tested for something you have no symptoms of typically, until this scamdemic. Again, big difference FROM it compared to WITH it. Also, just because you don't have apparent comorbidity issues by no means means you are healthy with optimal function. I've had patients who were seemingly fine their whole life, didn't feel well and suddenly died of aggressive asymptomatic cancers. They've even named it "silent cancer." Also, sometimes the very first symptom of a heart attack is the heart attack. Goes back to what the average individual thinks "health" is. I will say it again, healthy functioning people don't die FROM covid.

Not the way this one worked. I’ve been exposed to a lot of stuff and diseases. Some stuff you would have thought didn’t exist in the United States including that Mexican flu that killed thousands . This was different. It was Covid . It’s not just based on the rapid testing. Remember the symptoms of Covid are different enough from the regular flu.
I just talked to an emergency room doctor friend who not only treated Covid but got it herself. They can tell just based on certain symptoms. Low Ox pluse but feeling fine is one that usually doesn’t come with the flu

 

[Acer-m14]

I just talked to an emergency room doctor friend who not only treated Covid but got it herself. They can tell just based on certain symptoms. Low Ox pluse but feeling fine is one that usually doesn’t come with the flu

can you call or txt them ..?? ask if you can get poison ivy in the winter with 2 feet of snow outside ... ask them .. i really want to know there answer

 

[Truebeliever]

prove it ... and not with a PCR test

Prove my friend’s death was not Covid? Prove that older people in Cuomo’s nursing homes suddenly just died of something else.
How about the people I know who were on respirators but lived?
Again, the symptoms fit, the test results fit, and some people I know got the “ experimental “treatments and plasma .
It wasn’t the regular flu.
Listen to how callous the tone of posts are. Someone says they don’t know anyone who died from it. I tell you knew a few. Look at your tone.
I tell you I talked to a doctor friend of mine who not only treated it but had Covid herself . It wasn’t the rapid tests. Many of these people got the test the measures the antibody response as well. As a doctor, she is a test subject for the immunity response studies herself now and wrote a published paper on Covid. If you knew knew her and her background, you would know she isn’t lying.

And in your argument, did you ever take into account that I think it’s your personal choice to get the vaccine or not. Just do it with all the information. Covid was deadly in the early stages before doctors knew how to treat it. The knowledge base is so much more but to say it wasn’t deadly in the beginning just isn’t true.

 

[Defilade]

Not the way this one worked. I’ve been exposed to a lot of stuff and diseases. Some stuff you would have thought didn’t exist in the United States including that Mexican flu that killed thousands . This was different. It was Covid . It’s not just based on the rapid testing. Remember the symptoms of Covid are different enough from the regular flu.
I just talked to an emergency room doctor friend who not only treated Covid but got it herself. They can tell just based on certain symptoms. Low Ox pluse but feeling fine is one that usually doesn’t come with the flu

NO the symptoms of Covid are that of the Flu.


Watch for Symptoms
People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported – ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. Anyone can have mild to severe symptoms. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:

• Fever or chills
• Cough
• Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
• Fatigue
• Muscle or body aches
• Headache
• New loss of taste or smell
• Sore throat
• Congestion or runny nose
• Nausea or vomiting
• Diarrhea

This list does not include all possible symptoms. CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19. Older adults and people who have severe underlying medical conditions like heart or lung disease or diabetes seem to be at higher risk for developing more serious complications from COVID-19 illness.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Dr. Evil]

Covid was deadly in the early stages before doctors knew how to treat it. The knowledge base is so much more but to say it wasn’t deadly in the beginning just isn’t true.

It was deadly because they were treating it WRONG. Most on ventilators died because it was a hypoxia issue not a lack of air. It was also deadly because they refused to implement and even discouraged things like vitamin D, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, etc. I forgot what the number was but in those studied there was not one death in people who had certain vitamin D levels. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

[Bigfoot]

What's the sense in "mandating" a "unapproved" so called vaccine.
That obviously doesn't work very well?

To top things off. For a virus that has a 99.5+% survival rate for the majority of people.

Dang it man, WTF

 

[Truebeliever]

NO the symptoms of Covid are that of the Flu.


Watch for Symptoms
People with COVID-19 have had a wide range of symptoms reported – ranging from mild symptoms to severe illness. Symptoms may appear 2-14 days after exposure to the virus. Anyone can have mild to severe symptoms. People with these symptoms may have COVID-19:

• Fever or chills
• Cough
• Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
• Fatigue
• Muscle or body aches
• Headache
• New loss of taste or smell
• Sore throat
• Congestion or runny nose
• Nausea or vomiting
• Diarrhea

This list does not include all possible symptoms. CDC will continue to update this list as we learn more about COVID-19. Older adults and people who have severe underlying medical conditions like heart or lung disease or diabetes seem to be at higher risk for developing more serious complications from COVID-19 illness.

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

“In fact, there's a phenomenon we've observed clinically where a person with COVID-19 can have very low oxygen levels but otherwise appear well, termed "happy hypoxia." It's concerning because these patients may be more significantly ill than they feel, certainly warranting closer attention in a medical setting”

Can an Oximeter Help Detect COVID-19 at Home?

What an oximeter can and can't help with when it comes to COVID-19.

www.houstonmethodist.org

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“Asymptomatic patients who have been found to have COVID-19 may be unaware of the SpO2 depletion if they are able to breathe just fine. Moreover, some might experience confusion and even feel euphoric which cannot be directly linked to oxygen deprivation. This is being commonly dubbed as ‘Happy Hypoxia’. A gradual drop in oxygen saturation has been noticed in COVID positive patients. This has in turn brought forward the importance of a pulse oximeter”

https://www.firstpost.com/health/pulse-oximeters-for-covid-19-what-oxygen-saturation-levels-can-tell-you-about-sars-cov-2-infection-8722451.html

The happy hypoxia is a symptom that is not common in normal flu but is in Covid.

 

[Defilade]

“In fact, there's a phenomenon we've observed clinically where a person with COVID-19 can have very low oxygen levels but otherwise appear well, termed "happy hypoxia." It's concerning because these patients may be more significantly ill than they feel, certainly warranting closer attention in a medical setting”

Can an Oximeter Help Detect COVID-19 at Home?

What an oximeter can and can't help with when it comes to COVID-19.

www.houstonmethodist.org

.


“Asymptomatic patients who have been found to have COVID-19 may be unaware of the SpO2 depletion if they are able to breathe just fine. Moreover, some might experience confusion and even feel euphoric which cannot be directly linked to oxygen deprivation. This is being commonly dubbed as ‘Happy Hypoxia’. A gradual drop in oxygen saturation has been noticed in COVID positive patients. This has in turn brought forward the importance of a pulse oximeter”

https://www.firstpost.com/health/pulse-oximeters-for-covid-19-what-oxygen-saturation-levels-can-tell-you-about-sars-cov-2-infection-8722451.html

The happy hypoxia is a symptom that is not common in normal flu but is in Covid.

Covid positive patients? That seems to be debatable now. With rapid PCR being removed for something that can determine Covid vs Flu and with the ability to adjust cycle threshold makes me question all cases as to being Covid or other aliments that already exist..After all if this is so Lethal enough to lock down the whole World I think we would have a whole lot more funerals then weddings as I see..Bottom line...The Cemeteries are not expanding.

 

[Deplorable Me]

NY public employee unions are pushing back on Andy's mandate.

 

[Truebeliever]

Covid positive patients? That seems to be debatable now. With rapid PCR being removed for something that can determine Covid vs Flu and with the ability to adjust cycle threshold makes me question all cases as to being Covid or other aliments that already exist..After all if this is so Lethal enough to lock down the whole World I think we would have a whole lot more funerals then weddings as I see..Bottom line...The Cemeteries are not expanding.

You can question that test. There are others that confirm if it’s Covid 19 or not in addition to how the disease resents itself.

Again, there is a lot of misinformation or half information both for and against vaccines.
I think you should be able to decide for yourself if you want the vaccine or not. But get the actual information before deciding. Covid is deadly especially to those with a Co-morbidity. It is deadlier than the regular flu.
The question is the vaccine riskier than taking a chance on getting Covid 19. I’m not having any more kids so side effects of the vaccine are less to worry about than those of the virus ( to me anyway). So the vaccine is worth it to me. For my kids? That’s a different answer. Covid isn’t deadly to them.

 

[prambo]

On the radio they just said all CA state employees would need to be vaccinated or be tested twice a week. Just wanted to share their own numbers. Yes, cases are going up, but as the virus mutates, it becomes less deadly, as shown by their own numbers:

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Yep, just like the other 4 coronaviruses that are causes of some "common colds".

G-d didn't just miracle their asses unto earth as a cold virus, they mutated themselves and natural selection did its thing.

 

[prambo]

You can question that test. There are others that confirm if it’s Covid 19 or not in addition to how the disease resents itself.

Again, there is a lot of misinformation or half information both for and against vaccines.
I think you should be able to decide for yourself if you want the vaccine or not. But get the actual information before deciding. Covid is deadly especially to those with a Co-morbidity. It is deadlier than the regular flu.
The question is the vaccine riskier than taking a chance on getting Covid 19. I’m not having any more kids so side effects of the vaccine are less to worry about than those of the virus ( to me anyway). So the vaccine is worth it to me. For my kids? That’s a different answer. Covid isn’t deadly to them.

First highlight - name one, and how it works, with data as to efficacy. Pro hint - it's NOT an antibody test...they are more finicky to design than PCR - and the PCR "test" is so deeply flawed as to be embarassing.

Second highlight - Not any more.

The original manufactured virus no longer exists in nature. It has mutated, and will continue to do so, and will become the 5th coronavirus to cause the "common cold". Here's the link - you'll have to cut and paste...the CDC site is offline - must be scrubbing more embarrasing fabricated data, or adding some - Common Human Coronaviruses | CDC

If you want the original amped up Wuhan strain you could request that Zhengli Shi at WIV release it again.

 

[prambo]

Not the way this one worked. I’ve been exposed to a lot of stuff and diseases. Some stuff you would have thought didn’t exist in the United States including that Mexican flu that killed thousands . This was different. It was Covid . It’s not just based on the rapid testing. Remember the symptoms of Covid are different enough from the regular flu.
I just talked to an emergency room doctor friend who not only treated Covid but got it herself. They can tell just based on certain symptoms. Low Ox pluse but feeling fine is one that usually doesn’t come with the flu

 

[prambo]

I smell a member of the Church of the New Covidian.

 

[Defilade]

You can question that test. There are others that confirm if it’s Covid 19 or not in addition to how the disease resents itself.

Again, there is a lot of misinformation or half information both for and against vaccines.
I think you should be able to decide for yourself if you want the vaccine or not. But get the actual information before deciding. Covid is deadly especially to those with a Co-morbidity. It is deadlier than the regular flu.
The question is the vaccine riskier than taking a chance on getting Covid 19. I’m not having any more kids so side effects of the vaccine are less to worry about than those of the virus ( to me anyway). So the vaccine is worth it to me. For my kids? That’s a different answer. Covid isn’t deadly to them.

First piece of misinformation is that it is a Vaccine.. Wish you well will it....

P.S. : Don't take anymore!

 

[Dr. Evil]

I smell a member of the Church of the New Covidian.

I love it when some make ridiculous, emotional statements and try to educate YOU with your background. Priceless.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Blimey]

Prove my friend’s death was not Covid? Prove that older people in Cuomo’s nursing homes suddenly just died of something else.
How about the people I know who were on respirators but lived?
Again, the symptoms fit, the test results fit, and some people I know got the “ experimental “treatments and plasma .
It wasn’t the regular flu.
Listen to how callous the tone of posts are. Someone says they don’t know anyone who died from it. I tell you knew a few. Look at your tone.
I tell you I talked to a doctor friend of mine who not only treated it but had Covid herself . It wasn’t the rapid tests. Many of these people got the test the measures the antibody response as well. As a doctor, she is a test subject for the immunity response studies herself now and wrote a published paper on Covid. If you knew knew her and her background, you would know she isn’t lying.

And in your argument, did you ever take into account that I think it’s your personal choice to get the vaccine or not. Just do it with all the information. Covid was deadly in the early stages before doctors knew how to treat it. The knowledge base is so much more but to say it wasn’t deadly in the beginning just isn’t true.

You are witnessing the gish gallop approach to debate. Say something, you try to respond, something else is said. Starts with a thread about vaccines and now you’re being told the people you know who died from covid never had it to begin with. Over and over and over. Goalposts moving constantly. The simple fact is some on this forum actually believe covid is almost entirely if not quite literally entirely made up. Just a scam to control the populous.

 

[Blimey]

Covid positive patients? That seems to be debatable now. With rapid PCR being removed for something that can determine Covid vs Flu and with the ability to adjust cycle threshold makes me question all cases as to being Covid or other aliments that already exist..After all if this is so Lethal enough to lock down the whole World I think we would have a whole lot more funerals then weddings as I see..Bottom line...The Cemeteries are not expanding.

Makes you question? Who are you? Do you have any education in virology? Any professional experience in it? Have you authored any peer reviewed articles on viruses? Have you ever treated people with viruses in a clinical setting? Have you ever run statistical analysis on anything at all?

The answer to every question I just asked is no, yet you think because you spend six hours/day reading memes about covid that you actually can challenge what highly capable professionals do every day they go to work.

 

[RooftopKorean]

It was deadly because they were treating it WRONG. Most on ventilators died because it was a hypoxia issue not a lack of air. It was also deadly because they refused to implement and even discouraged things like vitamin D, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, etc. I forgot what the number was but in those studied there was not one death in people who had certain vitamin D levels. Let's call a spade a spade.

As a medical professional I'd like to offer some clarification from both my medical knowledge and personal experience with Covid-19.

From my own information gathering and personal experience with my father's passing and speaking with the Chair of Internal Medicine at my hospital Most patients who were severe enough to end up in ICU on ventilators actually succumbed to due to Cytokine storm due to aggressive treatment.

My father passed away from this after his Covid-19 had resolved. The aggressive treatment of the Remdesivir and glucocorticoid steroids such as Solumedrol or Decadron which causes the inflammatory response which ultimately causes organ damage.

I caught Covid-19 in early March before any of the convalescent treatments came to be. I had it bad with ALL the text book symptoms with an SP02 of 90. I also have a co-morbidity of being a managed type-2 diabetic. I definitely feel I survived because I let my body fight the virus with simple things like Tylenol, Vitamin D, Zinc and a ZPak. I'm sure if I had been the recipient of heavy treatment I would have not made it. This is also looking back on things months after I fully recovered and my father had passed away. I am also dealing with heavy guilt wondering if I did the wrong thing by taking my father to the hospital rather than letting him stay at home.

Bottom line...

The virus is real with a wide spectrum of severity depending on the patient.

It was used as a political weapon.

Delta variant is bullshit and anyone who says they have/had it is a liar. All testing sites do not tell you what strain they have and only the CDC is given that information.

PCR test never worked.

99% of the population is ignorant when it comes to masks or face coverings. What the majority of the public wears and thinks will protect them does not. Surgical masks only prevent YOU from transmitting anything and that's even questionable. Only N-95 masks will prevent you from contracting anything as long as it falls into the micron rating which Covid-19 didn't. N95s protect against 300 and larger, Covid-19 is 50-140, so the micron filtration of the N95 was two times larger, making it ineffective in offering protection; essentially snake oil. It's a lot more detailed but it's the simplest way to explain it.

 

[Truebeliever]

As a medical professional I'd like to offer some clarification from both my medical knowledge and personal experience with Covid-19.

From my own information gathering and personal experience with my father's passing and speaking with the Chair of Internal Medicine at my hospital Most patients who were severe enough to end up in ICU on ventilators actually succumbed to due to Cytokine storm due to aggressive treatment.

My father passed away from this after his Covid-19 had resolved. The aggressive treatment of the Remdesivir and glucocorticoid steroids such as Solumedrol or Decadron which causes the inflammatory response which ultimately causes organ damage.

I caught Covid-19 in early March before any of the convalescent treatments came to be. I had it bad with ALL the text book symptoms with an SP02 of 90. I also have a co-morbidity of being a managed type-2 diabetic. I definitely feel I survived because I let my body fight the virus with simple things like Tylenol, Vitamin D, Zinc and a ZPak. I'm sure if I had been the recipient of heavy treatment I would have not made it. This is also looking back on things months after I fully recovered and my father had passed away. I am also dealing with heavy guilt wondering if I did the wrong thing by taking my father to the hospital rather than letting him stay at home.

Bottom line...

The virus is real with a wide spectrum of severity depending on the patient.

It was used as a political weapon.

Delta variant is bullshit and anyone who says they have/had it is a liar. All testing sites do not tell you what strain they have and only the CDC is given that information.

PCR test never worked.

99% of the population is ignorant when it comes to masks or face coverings. What the majority of the public wears and thinks will protect them does not. Surgical masks only prevent YOU from transmitting anything and that's even questionable. Only N-95 masks will prevent you from contracting anything as long as it falls into the micron rating which Covid-19 didn't. N95s protect against 300 and larger, Covid-19 is 50-140, so the micron filtration of the N95 was two times larger, making it ineffective in offering protection; essentially snake oil. It's a lot more detailed but it's the simplest way to explain it.

Thank you for explaining it to them.

As to the masks,N95 can provide a limited protection depending on the surface the virus is traveling on or with.
I like to compare it to a colander strainer and pouring rice into it. The rice is smaller than the holes but some will get stuck in it. Now with the virus, it’s a question of what is pushing the virus thru the holes and how much. Is itenough of a viral load to infect the person.
The evidence can can show is just how medical professionals in the emergency room didn’t get infected in a rate that they should have if N95 masks didn’t offer some protection . And as a lot of hazmat people will tell you, the most dangerous time is not in the intial entry of the hot zone but as one leaves and has to remove the contaminated PPE.

Some protection is better than none.And even the PPE didn’t prevent two nurses from getting Ebola in the hospital in TX.

And don’t second guess your decision with your father. People who stayed home died too. Even with a co morbidity, old age is such a big factor compared to other co-morbidities. You were a good son . I have no doubt of it

 

[Defilade]

Makes you question? Who are you? Do you have any education in virology? Any professional experience in it? Have you authored any peer reviewed articles on viruses? Have you ever treated people with viruses in a clinical setting? Have you ever run statistical analysis on anything at all?

The answer to every question I just asked is no, yet you think because you spend six hours/day reading memes about covid that you actually can challenge what highly capable professionals do every day they go to work.

Have you actually read anything that I posted? Overwhelming amount of evidence of research. Interviews with some of the most highly respected Doctors in the field. Nurses, Doctors! Warning the world. The inventor of the PCR test, an Inventor of mRNA vaccine technology. Flip flopping Fauci statements. I just pass along information. It's up to you to use a Common sense approach. You drank the Kool aid and trusted Political Science not real science and took the Experimental jab. That's your problem now..Good luck with that. I'll bet you still believe masks work when you can contract a virus through the eyes.!! Why no goggle mandates?? Put some goggles on and research!!

 

[TEOTWAWKI inc.]

You got a good laugh out of me.

Is there one of these for masks, as well as combinations of vaccine and masks?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thank you for explaining it to them.

Explaining it to "them" lol. Some of "us" understood things just fine and after reading @RooftopKorean 's post it seems to back up what "we" have been saying for some time. The doctors treatments killed many. Like I mentioned earlier, G-d forbid they took a different approach that actually involved health and nutrition. 3rd leading cause.

 

[prambo]

Makes you question? Who are you? Do you have any education in virology? Any professional experience in it? Have you authored any peer reviewed articles on viruses? Have you ever treated people with viruses in a clinical setting? Have you ever run statistical analysis on anything at all?

The answer to every question I just asked is no, yet you think because you spend six hours/day reading memes about covid that you actually can challenge what highly capable professionals do every day they go to work.

You're berating @Defilade with your usual dismissive manner - Pro hint - a pic of Churchill doesn't imbue one with his gravitas. Neither does your lack of supportive evidence.

Defilade was discussing/arguing with a newer member who seems to think all SARS-COV-2 knowledge resides in "...an emergency room doctor friend...". Frankly, that's essentially worthless.

MDs are the worse source imaginable, especially ER docs. They see the worst everyday so have a skewed point of view.

Not sure who you're referring to in the highlighted phrase above, but let's lay one huge misconception to rest - MDs are NOT trained in research and how it is conducted. It is 2 different courses of study for 2 entirely different sets of endeavor.

And, please, don't use Saint FauXi of the Many Masks as an MD who knows research. He doesn't - he's been known as an arrogant little prick at NIAID since the late 1970s.

Maybe our new member should read some of the almost 500 page coronavirus thread before trying to champion views that have largely been thrown to the side as BS - especially from places like CDC and WHO, who have beclowned themselves repeatedly.

 

[Dr. Evil]

You're berating @Defilade with your usual dismissive manner - Pro hint - a pic of Churchill doesn't imbue one with his gravitas. Neither does your lack of supportive evidence.

Defilade was discussing/arguing with a newer member who seems to think all SARS-COV-2 knowledge resides in "...an emergency room doctor friend...". Frankly, that's essentially worthless.

MDs are the worse source imaginable, especially ER docs. They see the worst everyday so have a skewed point of view.

Not sure who you're referring to in the highlighted phrase above, but let's lay one huge misconception to rest - MDs are NOT trained in research and how it is conducted. It is 2 different courses of study for 2 entirely different sets of endeavor.

And, please, don't use Saint FauXi of the Many Masks as an MD who knows research. He doesn't - he's been known as an arrogant little prick at NIAID since the late 1970s.

Maybe our new member should read some of the almost 500 page coronavirus thread before trying to champion views that have largely been thrown to the side as BS - especially from places like CDC and WHO, who have beclowned themselves repeatedly.

I love a good smack down when appropriate.

 

[Robin]

 

[prambo]

I love a good smack down when appropriate.

Could be hitting the "Ignore" button again.

Doc, I'm so damn tired of this COVID bullshit...but it's worked as designed by the ChiComs and their running dogs (FauXi, Birx, Baric, CDC, WHO, all DemonRats, etc.) - killed a lot of older people, trashed most of the world's economies, brought world fascism 1 big step closer, and 1/2 of this country against the other half (vaxx'ed vs. un-vaxxed), although I'm pretty sure that division overlaps the previously existing divisions.

My G-d, the Israelis are doing things to their own countryman now, that the Nazis did to the Jews beginning in the late 1930's.

The rampant lies, falsehoods, fabrications, jaw dropping stupidity, obfuscation, data manipulation and erasures, censorship, power grabs by local pols who have nothing but control in mind, some LE abrogating their oaths and standing down to let Antifa/BLM run wild while harassing people going to church in parking lots while sitting in their cars.

As a nation, have we really become this stupid?? IMHO, yes we have, collectively - the first step in "the long march through the institutions" was the education system - it worked. The present situation speaks volumes about the lack of intellect and critical thinking of much of the fUSA populace.

The ChiComs must be laughing their asses off - the societal insanity of the fUSA, which was already patently evident, was brought to a head by a low level virus that has, for all intents and purposes, disappeared.

And yet, here we are...at the same place.