ronstar
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Nonsense. Innocent until proven Guilty simply means the Prosecution has the burden to prove their case. It does NOT mean we are legally bound to believe the claims of a defendant.
Mar-a-Lago just raided by FBI
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spat
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They are the same thing.
Absent evidence to the contrary, the defendants claims stand.
ronstar
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And absent evidence to the contrary, Prosecutor's claims stand.
if the prosecutor cannot prove the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, their claims are moot. Once again it doesn’t matter what the government claimed only what they can prove.
ronstar
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Jury of Public Opinion is not limited by such rules. Trump has proven shit.
ArmedCorgi
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Wrong. Guilt has to be proven, not just claimed. Or in your case desperately wanted.
ronstar
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Trump's guilt appears to be guaranteed. He's a lying traitor.
In the court of public opinion on this board you are a troll. You have not proven you are not so I should issue a perm ban from the site.
isn’t that how it works?
ronstar
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I am not the topic of this thread. I'd expect a Moderator to know that.
ArmedCorgi
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If that is the case it needs to be proven, not just taken at face value. That is how our justice system is supposed to work.
ronstar
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I foresee it will be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
ArmedCorgi
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Well, we'll just have to see I guess.
spat
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In a banana Republic, yes.
In a functional justice system the defense doesn't have to prove anything and the prosecution needs to provide actual evidence of a crime.
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Truebeliever
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It could be. All Trump needs is one witness to say he said it’s declassified when he was president.
spat
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He doesn't even need that.
The government would literally have to prove he didn't think it to himself before leaving office.
That is an impossible standard of proof, so any conviction would be a farce.
Truebeliever
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You mean the meeting with the Russian arraigned by Fusion GPS with Trump jr, who has text messages during the meeting telling someone to call him so he had excuse to leave? The Russian who couldn’t get a visa to enter the country but Obama’s Valerie Jared arraigned for her to get one for the meeting . That Russian.
Trump Jr was already cleared in the Mueller investigation and by Congress . It was a set up he didn’t fall for.
Truebeliever
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Nope. The prosecution does not get the benefit of the doubt they n our legal system
ronstar
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Trump Tower meeting happened. It was to exchange dirt on Hillary in exchange for end to Russian sanctions. Trump Jr. testified to this under oath.
Acer-m14
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can you imagine being served a warrant to search your home and out buildings "for anything that could be used in a crime" ...
there goes your wood and metal shop and reloading room .. oh and kitchen ..
Just bringing your circular argument to a logical conclusion and applying the same rules to you as you feel are appropriate to apply to Trump.
In my opinion you are trolling to elicit a response and that violates the rules. As a moderator it is my responsibility to enforce the rules. I will have a discussion with the admins to give you a fair hearing (so to speak). Kind of like the grand jury, You know one sided. Prosecutor speaks, presents the evidence and the grand jury hands down a decision. Good luck.
ArmedCorgi
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Well, his guilt "appears to be guaranteed".
Dr. Evil
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Pfizer or Moderna have to be working on that TDS vaccine. Any day now sir...
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ronstar
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Trump Tower meeting - Wikipedia
Trump Tower meeting happened. All involved should have been prosecuted.
Truebeliever
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What. Trump jr shows up to a meeting set up by the Clinton campaign ( Fusion GPS) to hear dirt on Hillary. The person offers the dirt for a change on Russian policy. Trump Jr walks away . Does not make a deal. There is no crime by Trump jr.Trump Tower meeting - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Trump Tower meeting happened. All involved should have been prosecuted.
That Russian agent met with Glen Simpson of Fusion GPS just before and just after the meeting. So if anyone should be arrested, it’s the Clinton team.
Fusion GPS official met with Russian operative before and after Trump Jr. sit-down
The co-founder of Fusion GPS, the firm behind the unverified Trump dossier, met with a Russian lawyer before and after a key meeting she had last year with Trump’s son, Fox News has learned. The contacts shed new light on how closely tied the firm was to Russian interests, at a time when it was...
www.foxnews.com
Who is Glenn Simpson, man entangled in two Russia scandals?
The cofounder of investigative firm Fusion GPS is under the spotlight in both the Trump Russia probe and the Magnitsky Act fight over adoption and sanctions.
www.nbcnews.com
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ArmedCorgi
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Quite the contrary, their vaccine "appears" to be promoting TDS in the people dumb enough to get it.
spat
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So are we prosecuting all the Clinton operatives responsible for the Steele dossier too ?Trump Tower meeting - Wikipedia
Trump Tower meeting happened. All involved should have been prosecuted.
Or does this only go one way ?
ronstar
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Steele dossier put together by AMERICAN company.
spat
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Except for all the Russian agents that worked on it.
Trump-Russia Steele dossier analyst charged with lying to FBI
Igor Danchenko, who worked on a 2016 dossier that made baseless claims about Donald Trump, is arrested.
www.bbc.com
The only "Russian collusion" in that election was carried out by the Clinton campaign.
The fact that all the mainstream media went from calling for blood to pretending it didn't exist once that fact came out tells you all you need to know.