More real life experiences on handguns

[Edwardteach72]

Handguns are absolute shit at stopping people, (excluding those super magnums and what not, focusing here on common semi autos)

They are a compromise, smaller enough to carry and use unlike a rifle, and in places like Law enforcement or some military applications, something to use to get you to your rifle if needed...

And while being a compromise many people want to compromise even more. Instead of following the old saying "carry the biggest gun you can", for some reason to many people now go with "carry the SMALLEST gun you can" .

You get less ammo, less ballistics (in an already ballisticly disadvantaged design) and in many cases a smaller round (.380/.32/.25)

Well looks like this dude was shot 22 times by a Glock 22 (shitty ass .40sw) and lived for 4 min.

Oh wow 4 min you might think, well that's not long. It is if they were trying to kill you, and even longer if you ran out of ammo after 5-8 rounds and are trying to reload, or dont even have a reload (spar mags are honestly more for malfunctions for self defense situations)


Officer Down: The Peter Soulis Incident - Law Officer


But hey keep you 1.5" barreled .45acp 5 shot gun that you keep in a pocket that you'll just fumble trying to pull out....

 

[HighlandLofts]

Any gun is better then no gun. Handguns are disadvantaged compared to carbines, rifles and shotguns, but you are not going to carry any of these on your person every day/all day so that leaves you the option, a handgun or a knife.
I will take my handgun.

 

[Bananabandit]

Rifles are like throwing stones compared to cannons. Whats your point?

 

[togmaster]

Maybe you do but we can't all walk around like this.

 

[Saltwater60]

I agree with his point and the statements, but chances are if your attacked it will be with something similar to what you have to defend yourself. There are a few very rare exceptions to this rule of course. If your out gunned either wait for a good moment to attack, don’t attack, hide, or flee. You have to assess the situation for yourself and of course every situation is different.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I carry a handgun because a cop (most of em) are too heavy.

 

[Criticalt]

There are hundreds of videos on Youtube showing smaller handguns being used effectively.
In a self defense situation you arent trying to kill the bad guy, youre trying to stop the bad guy.
In 99 out of 100 situations once the bad guy is hit with a bullet, they stop aggressing and start trying to get away.
Most bad guys are pussies.
Once they feel the searing pain of 1 bullet they are done.
If you find yourself in one of the "one in a million" situations where the bad guy is advancing on you while you are hitting him with bullets.........shot placement is critical.
Ive seen more guys drop dead from one 40 cal bullet to the chest than guy walking around with 40 bullets in them.

 

[Edwardteach72]

There are hundreds of videos on Youtube showing smaller handguns being used effectively.
In a self defense situation you arent trying to kill the bad guy, youre trying to stop the bad guy.
In 99 out of 100 situations once the bad guy is hit with a bullet, they stop aggressing and start trying to get away.
Most bad guys are pussies.
Once they feel the searing pain of 1 bullet they are done.
If you find yourself in one of the "one in a million" situations where the bad guy is advancing on you while you are hitting him with bullets.........shot placement is critical.
Ive seen more guys drop dead from one 40 cal bullet to the chest than guy walking around with 40 bullets in them.

No one said kill

 

[Edwardteach72]

There are hundreds of videos on Youtube showing smaller handguns being used effectively.
In a self defense situation you arent trying to kill the bad guy, youre trying to stop the bad guy.
In 99 out of 100 situations once the bad guy is hit with a bullet, they stop aggressing and start trying to get away.
Most bad guys are pussies.
Once they feel the searing pain of 1 bullet they are done.
If you find yourself in one of the "one in a million" situations where the bad guy is advancing on you while you are hitting him with bullets.........shot placement is critical.
Ive seen more guys drop dead from one 40 cal bullet to the chest than guy walking around with 40 bullets in them.

Can you please show me the data that you are using that says 99 out of 100 situations someone that is shot stops their aggression

 

[Edwardteach72]

Legally Armed Firearms Trainer Shoots Man Who Corners Him

 

[Criticalt]

Can you please show me the data that you are using that says 99 out of 100 situations someone that is shot stops their aggression

Its not a scientific thesis, just observation from watching 100s of videos.
Lets say "most" of the time bad guys try to get away when someone takes action with a gun.
Probably the biggest selection of self defense videos is on John Coreras(sp) youtube channel. I think its called Active Self Protection.
He has collected videos from all over the world which show self protection gun use.
In almost every video, when the bad guy is shot, the GTFO ASAP.
There are many more videos of guts taking the "room temperature challenge", as he calls it, than guys getting shot 40 times and living.
Im not a scientist but ive seen and heard enough to know that a 380 or 9mm CAN be effective.
It just sounds like you are saying a handgun is never good for self defense.
My point is, not everyone can carry a 44 mag for self defense, so learn to use what you have.
I started carrying a 9mm.
Then I decided to carry a 10mm.
Imback to 9mm.
The 10mm has alot more stopping power but I am more accurate with the 9mm, especially under pressure....prone, laying on back, weak hand.....etc.

 

[soylentBlue]

Handgun worked pretty well on the one robber. The guy goes down like a marionette with the strings cut. Luck or skill?

 

[Podmonkey]

I carry a handgun because a cop (most of em) are too heavy.

Dude, they have legs. Get a leash, sheesh!

 

[Podmonkey]

Wait, wait, @Carlos Hathcock, have the cop carry you! BRILLIANT!!

 

[Edwardteach72]

Wait, wait, @Carlos Hathcock, have the cop carry you! BRILLIANT!!

Omg yessss

 

[Marine Cpl]

I think this article describes why carrying a 5 shot revolver isn't a good idea. I understand the whole it's better than nothing argument but there are better options out there that are about the same size as a revolver.

 

[Uzi]

 

[Blimey]

Strange story, but there are others in which a single bullet from a handgun drops somebody pretty damn quickly. And most stories are much closer to that than a guy being a lead pin cushion and still going.

 

[togmaster]

Handgun worked pretty well on the one robber. The guy goes down like a marionette with the strings cut. Luck or skill?

It was 45 ACP. It killed his soul.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Strange story, but there are others in which a single bullet from a handgun drops somebody pretty damn quickly. And most stories are much closer to that than a guy being a lead pin cushion and still going.

Yeah but if that were the case, it would be sufficient for the police to carry a lower capacity sidearm like a revolver in today's age.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Only one way to end the fight as near to instantly as possible. That is the light switches (brain, spinal cord at the base of the brain). Now notice I said brain not head because you can hit someone in the head and it not turn out the lights.

You can hit pumpers (arteries, heart) but it will take time for them to bleed out.

These are the basic facts.

 

[togmaster]

Only one way to end the fight as near to instantly as possible. That is the light switches (brain, spinal cord at the base of the brain). Now notice I said brain not head because you can hit someone in the head and it not turn out the lights.

You can hit pumpers (arteries, heart) but it will take time for them to bleed out.

These are the basic facts.

Hips will also drop them. Won't kill right away but put them to the ground and allow you to get out of Dodge.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Only one way to end the fight as near to instantly as possible. That is the light switches (brain, spinal cord at the base of the brain). Now notice I said brain not head because you can hit someone in the head and it not turn out the lights.

You can hit pumpers (arteries, heart) but it will take time for them to bleed out.

These are the basic facts.

See there is that one caveat, and people keep acting like their 1inch barrel with ammo designed for a 4 in barrel is going to do anything other than stop at the bare minimum 12jnch which is shit

 

[Marine Cpl]

Only one way to end the fight as near to instantly as possible. That is the light switches (brain, spinal cord at the base of the brain). Now notice I said brain not head because you can hit someone in the head and it not turn out the lights.

You can hit pumpers (arteries, heart) but it will take time for them to bleed out.

These are the basic facts.

Yep. Many people don't realize that and quote energy figures that manufacturers like to write to sell ammunition. Pistol rounds that fall before 2000 fps don't have enough energy to knock you out. The bullet itself cutting through flesh is the only factor. You have to place those shots in vital areas. A .380 ACP FMJ that strikes a vital is better than a .40 S&W hollow point that misses a vital like the brain or spinal column which is almost instant, or the heart which could be instant.

 

[HighlandLofts]

The way most people shoot they need real high capacity magazines and time to empty it on their target.

 

[71velle]

Nothing new here.... To physically stop a bad guy instantly a CNS hit is required. I have read that there have been guys shot through the heart and they manage to run/walk a distance before collapsing.

From a discussion point you cant argue that the 380 in your pocket is better than the 45 you left in the safe. And, the carry the biggest gun you can great but are we talking the largest framed pistol, largest caliber, or highest capacity?

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Wait, wait, @Carlos Hathcock, have the cop carry you! BRILLIANT!!

At 6'-1" and 300 lbs. if you can find one up to the task please put me in touch.

 

[Podmonkey]

At 6'-1" and 300 lbs. if you can find one up to the task please put me in touch.

@Airborneguy seems pretty stout. If you were willing to pay his overtime rate perhaps he would be down?

 

[togmaster]

At 6'-1" and 300 lbs. if you can find one up to the task please put me in touch.

Dude...6-1" and 300? Have a salad once in a while.

 

[Darth]

I just scare people off with my enormous...





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