Mueller speaking to the American people.

[holdover]

The Russians tried to influence the public through social media like RT on you tube.

The Russians rightfully feared Hillary Clinton as a fool, They were afraid of her stupidity.
She even said during the debates she intended to put a no fly zone over Syria , Russia's ally who it was aiding at the time, and would have required the shooting down of Russian aircraft.

Now maybe her advisors would have stopped from doing it , but it demonstrated her lack of knowledge of foreign affairs , and flippant attitude about using force , and one mistake could mean US and Russian forces in direct conflict .

 

[Mosinitis]

Very accurate.

The only meddling Russia has done (which in all fairness is nothing different that we have also done) is try to sow social divisions.

I believe I saw or read that russia supports groups on both sides of issues. They have their bots, social engineering, monetary donations go to groups that are both anti gun and pro gun. Anti abortion and pro abortion. Black lives matter and Colin kapernick support groups and pro law enforcement groups. Pro transgener rights, pro Muslim groups.

They want us to fight amongst ourselves. They purposely try to fan the flames of social unrest.

That's the only Russian collusion.

Russia exposes our government corruption, domestic and abroad. Also our double-standards. It discredits propaganda we were indoctrinated with for decades. They favor conservative/libertarian side. There is no support for both sides. They don't help the side that constantly bashes them and lies about them.

 

[Celt]

Let this sink in. The tax they rebelled against was a 2% tax. Imagine what they would do today.

Youre right, the overall tax rate was lower than today. It was really more about the increases that were being forced on them and the old "no taxation without representation".

 

[Celt]

What is a "legitimate inpeachment", @Celt? You have to always keep in mind that impeachment is by design a political process, not a legal process.

I believe you meant @holdover (our avatars are similar).

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Russia exposes our government corruption, domestic and abroad. Also our double-standards. It discredits propaganda we were indoctrinated with for decades. They favor conservative/libertarian side. There is no support for both sides. They don't help the side that constantly bashes them and lies about them.

Take off the Russia is the greatest rose colored glasses.

Here's one quick article I spent 5 seconds looking for. I'm sure there are better out there.

Yes, they do play both sides. They are trying to get us to hate each other.

How Russia used social media to divide Americans



I'm really not upset over it, it's the same things that we do to others so we really can't complain much over it... It's hypocrisy.

It's just a shame most Americans are too ignorant to realize what the real Russian collusion is.

 

[Arjuna]

https://nypost.com/2019/05/29/ameri...asty-consequences-of-robert-muellers-actions/

With his work done and his office closing, Robert Mueller could have quietly slipped back into private life. Instead, he gave himself a blowout retirement party — and leaves America to suffer the nasty consequences.

On his way out the door, Mueller pointed at President Trump and told Democrats to get him. In a flash, the next 18 months were spoken for.

If you doubt it, look at the way Dems reacted. Or rather, the way they erupted. From Congress to the 2020 campaign trail, they united in concluding that the special counsel encouraged them to nail the president.

California senator and presidential candidate Kamala Harris captured the moment by declaring, “What Robert Mueller basically did was return an impeachment referral.”

She’s right, and the fallout will be enormous — and destructive for the nation.

Whatever slim hope there was that Democrats would do something other than harass Trump instantly vanished. Mueller has usurped Nancy Pelosi’s role in setting the House agenda, and it now becomes impeachment first, impeachment last, impeachment forever.

There will be no major legislation on infrastructure, no bipartisan response to the border crisis. Impeachment obsession could mean Congress won’t take up the new North American trade deal, which promises to add further juice to the already-roaring economy.

Even stopgap spending bills could fall victim to Mueller madness. And imagine how China, North Korea and Iran, along with our allies, will view an expanded effort to dump Trump.

And over what? Mueller had two years and an unlimited budget to investigate the president, and didn’t find sufficient evidence he committed a crime. Yet now, 68 days after he submitted his report, he suddenly and without invitation injects himself back into politics by riling up the lynch mob. As he leaves the stage, it’s definitely exit left.

Mueller is apparently furious that his probe didn’t have more impact, and seems determined that the books not be closed. Apart from what he said, his decision to speak at all is telling.

Given his claim he would never say anything beyond the report, why assemble the press to make a tantalizing statement? If the report is his testimony, as he said, why make the point in such showboat fashion?

By protesting too much, he invites suspicion about his motive. By insisting he will say nothing new even if summoned by Congress, he begs for a subpoena.

The comparison to his friend Jim Comey is inescapable. Mueller has done exactly to Trump what Comey did to Hillary Clinton: trash him in public while declining to file charges.

Since Comey’s July 2016 appearance where he cleared Clinton but criticized her over the email scandal, the nation got a tutorial on the fact that prosecutors are not supposed to play talk show host and moral arbiter. You charge or shut up.

Now both men have violated that tradition, with Mueller compounding his error by creating a muddle about whether he would have charged Trump with obstruction absent a decades-old Justice Department regulation that says no sitting president can be indicted.

He described that regulation in detail Wednesday and said because of it, “charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.” Added to another point he made, that “if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” he seems to be signaling that his team would have charged Trump with obstruction absent the prohibition.

Yet on the question of collusion with Russia, Mueller said only that there was “insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy,” and made no mention of the regulation.

Moreover, Attorney General Bill Barr told Congress that Mueller, in a March meeting attended by several people, said the regulation played no role in the decision not to charge Trump with obstruction.

Barr also said that, in failing to reach a decision on that issue, Mueller had left the decision to him, and that he and then-Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein concluded there was not enough evidence to bring a charge. Barr added that they found the evidence lacking even without the no-indictment regulation.

That Mueller is suggesting a different view now smacks of a feud between the longtime friends. Recall the letter he wrote to Barr in March, complaining the attorney general’s initial four-page description of the 448-page report “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of it.

Barr called the letter a “bit snitty,” and it has all the earmarks of having been written just to be leaked. And leaked it was.

Another reason to be suspicious of Mueller is that he pops up just as Barr’s probe of the origins of the Russia probe is taking shape. Barr has called the probe anything but ordinary, saying that “spying on a political campaign is a big deal” and that he wants to get his arms around the reasons for it.

He has questioned the role of the intelligence agencies and the FBI, and mentioned the period between Election Day in 2016 and Inauguration Day in 2017, saying “some very strange developments” took place then.

Among them, he said, was the January 2017 briefing Comey gave to the president-elect about the Russian dossier and “the leaking of information subsequent to that meeting.”

Another element to consider is Trump’s declassification order covering investigation documents. Mueller is a career deep-stater and can’t be pleased about the decision to make them public. By coming out now, he gives Dems fresh talking points at a time when Trump increasingly looks like a strong bet for re-election.

So the battle is joined anew, with Dems fired up to go scalp hunting and Trump opening the Obama administration’s vault of dirty tricks. Coming weeks and months are certain to be a riveting spectacle consuming Washington and the media.

Meanwhile, the actual business of government, from creating prosperity to keeping the peace, will take a backseat, assuming an empty seat can be found.

 

[Podmonkey]

I understand your point, and I despise what's going on in our country today. However, when I think about what the founders went through before they said enough was enough, they were forced to house soldiers, they were told they were not allowed to move west to find more and better lands to provide for their families,and they were grossly overtaxed. The straw that broke the camel's back was the attempt of mass gun confiscation.
Then of course there was that recent debacle in Houston where the police raided the wrong house and killed two occupants.

I think if ever they try mass confiscation they would get the same result, and I think they know this as well that's why they use incremental ism. Now, we may not be going through the same hardships they did, we are going through our own hardships based on the the situations of our time, but so long as the vast majority of the population is fat and happy it will never reach the tipping point. They know this, that's why they love people being dependent on medication, cell phones, technology, social media, supermarkets, and everything else that makes us dependent on the system.

Well, worst thing I have seen in this country was after the Boston marathon bombing. SWAT had busted into a man's house, with no warrant, and had dragged him and his family out into the yard, face down in the grass with in officer with his actual boot on the back of the father's head.
We don't have foreign soliders in the US anymore. We have militant police running roughshod over the populace instead.
Then of course we have the recent debacle in Houston where the police raided the wrong house and killed two occupants.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

https://nypost.com/2019/05/29/ameri...asty-consequences-of-robert-muellers-actions/

With his work done and his office closing, Robert Mueller could have quietly slipped back into private life. Instead, he gave himself a blowout retirement party — and leaves America to suffer the nasty consequences.

On his way out the door, Mueller pointed at President Trump and told Democrats to get him. In a flash, the next 18 months were spoken for.

If you doubt it, look at the way Dems reacted. Or rather, the way they erupted. From Congress to the 2020 campaign trail, they united in concluding that the special counsel encouraged them to nail the president.

California senator and presidential candidate Kamala Harris captured the moment by declaring, “What Robert Mueller basically did was return an impeachment referral.”

She’s right, and the fallout will be enormous — and destructive for the nation.

Whatever slim hope there was that Democrats would do something other than harass Trump instantly vanished. Mueller has usurped Nancy Pelosi’s role in setting the House agenda, and it now becomes impeachment first, impeachment last, impeachment forever.

There will be no major legislation on infrastructure, no bipartisan response to the border crisis. Impeachment obsession could mean Congress won’t take up the new North American trade deal, which promises to add further juice to the already-roaring economy.

Even stopgap spending bills could fall victim to Mueller madness. And imagine how China, North Korea and Iran, along with our allies, will view an expanded effort to dump Trump.

And over what? Mueller had two years and an unlimited budget to investigate the president, and didn’t find sufficient evidence he committed a crime. Yet now, 68 days after he submitted his report, he suddenly and without invitation injects himself back into politics by riling up the lynch mob. As he leaves the stage, it’s definitely exit left.

Mueller is apparently furious that his probe didn’t have more impact, and seems determined that the books not be closed. Apart from what he said, his decision to speak at all is telling.

Given his claim he would never say anything beyond the report, why assemble the press to make a tantalizing statement? If the report is his testimony, as he said, why make the point in such showboat fashion?

By protesting too much, he invites suspicion about his motive. By insisting he will say nothing new even if summoned by Congress, he begs for a subpoena.

The comparison to his friend Jim Comey is inescapable. Mueller has done exactly to Trump what Comey did to Hillary Clinton: trash him in public while declining to file charges.

Since Comey’s July 2016 appearance where he cleared Clinton but criticized her over the email scandal, the nation got a tutorial on the fact that prosecutors are not supposed to play talk show host and moral arbiter. You charge or shut up.

Now both men have violated that tradition, with Mueller compounding his error by creating a muddle about whether he would have charged Trump with obstruction absent a decades-old Justice Department regulation that says no sitting president can be indicted.

He described that regulation in detail Wednesday and said because of it, “charging the president with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.” Added to another point he made, that “if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so,” he seems to be signaling that his team would have charged Trump with obstruction absent the prohibition.

Yet on the question of collusion with Russia, Mueller said only that there was “insufficient evidence to charge a broader conspiracy,” and made no mention of the regulation.

Moreover, Attorney General Bill Barr told Congress that Mueller, in a March meeting attended by several people, said the regulation played no role in the decision not to charge Trump with obstruction.

Barr also said that, in failing to reach a decision on that issue, Mueller had left the decision to him, and that he and then-Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein concluded there was not enough evidence to bring a charge. Barr added that they found the evidence lacking even without the no-indictment regulation.

That Mueller is suggesting a different view now smacks of a feud between the longtime friends. Recall the letter he wrote to Barr in March, complaining the attorney general’s initial four-page description of the 448-page report “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of it.

Barr called the letter a “bit snitty,” and it has all the earmarks of having been written just to be leaked. And leaked it was.

Another reason to be suspicious of Mueller is that he pops up just as Barr’s probe of the origins of the Russia probe is taking shape. Barr has called the probe anything but ordinary, saying that “spying on a political campaign is a big deal” and that he wants to get his arms around the reasons for it.

He has questioned the role of the intelligence agencies and the FBI, and mentioned the period between Election Day in 2016 and Inauguration Day in 2017, saying “some very strange developments” took place then.

Among them, he said, was the January 2017 briefing Comey gave to the president-elect about the Russian dossier and “the leaking of information subsequent to that meeting.”

Another element to consider is Trump’s declassification order covering investigation documents. Mueller is a career deep-stater and can’t be pleased about the decision to make them public. By coming out now, he gives Dems fresh talking points at a time when Trump increasingly looks like a strong bet for re-election.

So the battle is joined anew, with Dems fired up to go scalp hunting and Trump opening the Obama administration’s vault of dirty tricks. Coming weeks and months are certain to be a riveting spectacle consuming Washington and the media.

Meanwhile, the actual business of government, from creating prosperity to keeping the peace, will take a backseat, assuming an empty seat can be found.

That corrupt little insect Mueller certianly stuck his stinger in and broke it off on the way out.

 

[Mosinitis]

Take off the Russia is the greatest rose colored glasses.

Here's one quick article I spent 5 seconds looking for. I'm sure there are better out there.

Yes, they do play both sides. They are trying to get us to hate each other.

How Russia used social media to divide Americans



I'm really not upset over it, it's the same things that we do to others so we really can't complain much over it... It's hypocrisy.

It's just a shame most Americans are too ignorant to realize what the real Russian collusion is.

How old are you? There is a political division in this country going back at least 4 life times. We are doing this very well without Russia and long before the internet. We even had a civil war. Our political system is based on dividing people into two camps and pitting them against each other. You can't blame Russia for our system.

 

[GOPerfect]

This Russia is the enemy thing always makes me laugh.

Russia, and the Russian people are so much the same as America and the American people. Both Nations and both groups of people want only the best for their own Country.

I am a Nationalist. Most Russians are Nationalists. It is not wrong. I ONLY care about the US and our way of life. I want the best for our Country. I do not care about the people of other Countries. Our interests are the only thing that matters to me. The Russians are the same. They care about their Country and their way of life. What they want, for them, comes in first place.

We interfere in the election process all around the World. We do it because of our interests. Russia does the same.

Do not keep the hatred and the talking points of the Left and the hate filled media.

 

[Robin]

I agree that the Russian people and Americans have a lot in common, one of which is they get played just like we do.
Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

This whole collusion hysteria started with candidate Trump and president Putin exchanging good will statements towards each other and respective countries. This is basic diplomacy. It cost nothing to be nice. All wise leaders do that. Democrats and never-trumpers immediately seized on it and saw opportunity to advance treason/black mail narrative. Now that they are invested in it, they will sabotage any progress in improving relations between the two countries.

 

[fresch]

~"Tell Putin I can do more when I'm a lame duck" didn't hear a peep from the demo-communist so not sure what your talking about Mosinitis.
What this is about, is the New World Order, corruption and greed. George Soros-backed group gave millions of dollars to firms tied to Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele
Hell even Canada try's to spy on us; for Russia,China, etc., isn't too hard to figure they are too.

 

[Mosinitis]

~"Tell Putin I can do more when I'm a lame duck" didn't hear a peep from the demo-communist so not sure what your talking about Mosinitis.
What this is about, is the New World Order, corruption and greed. George Soros-backed group gave millions of dollars to firms tied to Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele
Hell even Canada try's to spy on us; for Russia,China, etc., isn't too hard to figure they are too.

 

[BDinPutnam]

I believe you meant @holdover (our avatars are similar).

I did, sorry, you're right.

 

[fresch]

Obama telling Putins right hand man on a hot mic .

 

[spat]

Good point. The founders lived under tyranny for quite a long time, but if I remember correctly it was 12 very hard years leading up to the straw that broke the camel's back.

I don't think the tyranny we've been living under would equate to what they went through. While we have many of our rights being stepped on, we're all still eating and surviving with the exception of some of our rights being stripped. It's going to take a lot more to drive people to the point of Civil War then just some of our rights being stripped (sadly). I'm sure some of us would step up to the plate sooner than others, but that is a gross minority of the population.

Compare the tax rates that led to the original tea party against what we're paying now.

 

[kev74]

Mueller is a leftist hack scumbag.

I just thought that should be said again.

 

[spat]

How old are you? There is a political division in this country going back at least 4 life times. We are doing this very well without Russia and long before the internet. We even had a civil war. Our political system is based on dividing people into two camps and pitting them against each other. You can't blame Russia for our system.

I don't blame them for our system, I don't even blame them for exploiting weaknesses in that system. I just don't deny that they do.

I wouldn't classify Russia as an enemy, just a competitor, and honestly I would have less respect for them if they weren't trying to sow discord to gain an advantage.

 

[holdover]

The real colussion was with china pay offs to hillary for leaking documents via a "hacked" email ,recieving forgien election money, laundered through the clinton foindation.

The collusion , was setting up trump for impeachment with the FBI and doj.

 

[fresch]

Clintons/Gore have been "operatives " for foreign governments for a long time, plenty of money laundering, uranium; but we have to constantly hear about bs Trump fake shit and the democrats will stall and spin wasting time and tax dollars as we are invaded until, election time!
If you know anyone who is a democrat after this bs put them on the top of your list for untrustworthy because they WILL turn you in, comrades.

 

[Celt]

Compare the tax rates that led to the original tea party against what we're paying now.

I acknowledged my mistake. We pay more now, but it was the increases along with no representation that contributed to pushing them to things like the Boston Tea Party. I was on a rant when i said they were grossly over taxed. But my point remains the ssme, they faced greater tyranny, with less freedom than we have now.

And as long as the sheep have their cell phones, reality tv, and facebook they will all accept countless infringements. The sheep would be quicker to revolt if they banned all cell phones before guns.

 

[Acer-m14]

Russia, and the Russian people are so much the same as America and the American people

all the Russian truck drivers here i meet are cool as hell .. one got a spam can from me ..

 

[Mosinitis]

For a number of reasons Russian (or Russian speaking) diaspora in the U.S. failed to organize, like many organizations representing all other ethnic groups. There is no one to speak up for the country of their ancestry to be treated fairly.

 

[fresch]

Baa baa ba what?
Tell us how the people under communist Russia rule get groceries. You know you can always get vodka with your ration tickets but anything else is a crap shoot.

 

[livingston]

The first time I ever heard about this Russian story was during the debates ... Hillary broke the story ... I thought what the hell brought that remark out.... In the end we will find out she was the one that created all of this ... Watch and see...

 

[meketrefe]

The Soap opera continues.