Need some help folks.- Pistol Permit questions

[masterswimmer]

I've had my permit for about 35 yrs now. Until this past January there was technically no link between our permit and our drivers license. This changed back in January when anyone who had their permits issued before January 15, 2013 had to 'recertify' their permit. On this recert we had to list, for the first time, our drivers license ID#. Obviously this created the database link between our permit and the DMV. This being said, I'm sure any new applicant for their CCP is required to list their DL# on the application as well.

With this database link, any traffic stop in NYS will alert the LEO we have a permit. Not necessarily carrying at that moment, but could possibly be carrying. No need for them to fish much anymore. Unless they overstep their authority and ask you point blank, 'Mr. XXX are you in possession of your S&W M&P Shield 45 today?'.

Bottom line, I'm sure many of us have been stopped while carrying in the past, without the LEO knowing we were. No incidents, no problems, no altercations. Now that some skittish or anti-2A LEO's know we might be carrying, different attitudes could possibly be encountered.

 

[1075tech]

I've had my permit for about 35 yrs now. Until this past January there was technically no link between our permit and our drivers license. This changed back in January when anyone who had their permits issued before January 15, 2013 had to 'recertify' their permit. On this recert we had to list, for the first time, our drivers license ID#. Obviously this created the database link between our permit and the DMV. This being said, I'm sure any new applicant for their CCP is required to list their DL# on the application as well.

With this database link, any traffic stop in NYS will alert the LEO we have a permit. Not necessarily carrying at that moment, but could possibly be carrying. No need for them to fish much anymore. Unless they overstep their authority and ask you point blank, 'Mr. XXX are you in possession of your S&W M&P Shield 45 today?'.

Bottom line, I'm sure many of us have been stopped while carrying in the past, without the LEO knowing we were. No incidents, no problems, no altercations. Now that some skittish or anti-2A LEO's know we might be carrying, different attitudes could possibly be encountered.

Again... . Upon a traffic stop, the LEO will NOT know if you have a permit. When you are first stopped, the only thing he/she knows is who the vehicle is registered to, not who's driving. Only after you give them your drivers license AND they check your info with the computer will they possibly know that you have a permit.

I get stopped all the time (commercial vehicle driver). Truck is registered to a corporation. They have absolutely no idea who is driving or if I have a permit. As a matter of courtesy, decency, and to avoid any potential surprises, I hand them my permit with my drivers license. I realize that I am not required to do so. It has never been a problem.

 

[Edwardteach72]

How is it a courtesy? If it's a minor traffic violation, say headlight why bring it up, if anything you are adding extra tension

 

[SomeSoldier]

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[Devildog9999]

So a quick update - none of my references have been contacted yet other than the letter they had to fill out and return with all of the basic questions. Looks like I may be sitting in a pile on a desk somewhere at this point. No denial letter - so there is that as a plus! I talked to a buddy that got his last year that his references were actually never called at all, and he got a knock on the door from a NFPD officer for a quick interview. Was issued 2 weeks later, so I am not sure what the norm is in Niagara Falls. Another friend had all of his references called, and was called into the NFPD station for an interview, and was issued about a month later. Wish they had a "status" website you could periodically check to see where you are in the process. I figured my odds were pretty damn good, so I went ahead and ordered a S&W M&P Shield 45 Performance Center with tritium sights, and 4 extra magazines (2 for carry, and all 6 for Range time). That will be here next week sitting at the FFL while I wait to be issued. LOL

 

[libertysnake]

So a quick update - none of my references have been contacted yet other than the letter they had to fill out and return with all of the basic questions. Looks like I may be sitting in a pile on a desk somewhere at this point. No denial letter - so there is that as a plus! I talked to a buddy that got his last year that his references were actually never called at all, and he got a knock on the door from a NFPD officer for a quick interview. Was issued 2 weeks later, so I am not sure what the norm is in Niagara Falls. Another friend had all of his references called, and was called into the NFPD station for an interview, and was issued about a month later. Wish they had a "status" website you could periodically check to see where you are in the process. I figured my odds were pretty damn good, so I went ahead and ordered a S&W M&P Shield 45 Performance Center with tritium sights, and 4 extra magazines (2 for carry, and all 6 for Range time). That will be here next week sitting at the FFL while I wait to be issued. LOL

Most places just take a while cause they sit on the application for as long as possible. I'm in a different county, but it took a full year to get approval. Once I had the approval, I've had zero problems adding new firearms so long as I pay the fee to print a new card (which I think is $10 for the card, $3 for the paperwork, each time I add a new pistol)

 

[Podmonkey]

I've heard 6 months is pretty typical for Niagara County. Which I don't understand since it just about the most pro gun county in NYS.

 

[Devildog9999]

I was figuring 6 months or more, just because of my luck but I had some cash available, and the pistol was on sale, so I jumped on it. I will keep the updates coming as I go through the process. Thanks for all of the input - I really do appreciate it.

 

[Podmonkey]

I dont know.
I probably shouldnt post this but.....
Ive had 2 DUIs and the Sheriff didnt even contact 1 of my references.
In fact, my niece, her boyfriend, my sister, 2 friends and my GF......not ONE reference contacted.
The sheriff, the under sheriff and judge told me they wish they could just hand permits out to everyone over 18.
The Sheriff told me he thinks felons should be allowed to own guns after they serve their time.
He also annouced that the SafeAct would NOT be enforced by his department.
Our county is "shall issue", I was told that by the under sheriff. He makes the decisions here.
So, Niagra may be very 2a friendly, but maybe not the most friendly. We are at least equal.
Also, we have nothing but unrestricted.
Even if you specifically ask for a hunting permit, you get an unrestricted.

Okay then. Your county is the most 2A friendly in NYS.

 

[FLA45fan]

Chautauqua county - 4 months to the day for me.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I was figuring 6 months or more, just because of my luck but I had some cash available, and the pistol was on sale, so I jumped on it. I will keep the updates coming as I go through the process. Thanks for all of the input - I really do appreciate it.

Hang in there man. Don't get discouraged that's what they want to happen.

You will get it, you just have to be patient (which isn't right at all either btw). But It will all be worth it and you will value it that much more.

Here in Erie county I was a shade under 12 months and I was a "lucky" one lol

Hang in there keep the updates coming

 

[Devildog9999]

Well, another month gone by and not a peep. No one contacted, including myself. Still no denial letter, so there is that.

 

[Robin]

Be patient Devildog, I never heard a peep til the day I received it, within the state mandate of six months.
Robin

 

[Blimey]

Nope, them mailing the stuff to the references is the easy part. It's when they get everything back they (as a rule of thumb, I know nothing about that county specifically) sit on it.

this.

I am in Wayne and I got the four letters and each reference had to notarize (!!) before sending back in. One of the letters never arrived to the permit office even though the guy assured me he sent it so I had to go get another envelope and now he will have to notarize yet again and send it in.

I don’t think I officially hit the queue until all references are back.

Then I wait four months for a sheriff visit.

The notarizing is a new thing in Wayne and massively slowing down the process.

 

[Devildog9999]

I am still hanging in there. I have to just be patient..... Not a trait of a person like me, or a Marine... SEE!! This is a lesson in patience (My wife came up with that). I will talk to you all in another month with an update. My pistols are still at the FFL waiting patiently for me. My S&W M&P .45 Performance Center as well as My Taurus 6.5" ported .44 Mag will be there when I get the approval.

 

[libertysnake]

I am still hanging in there. I have to just be patient..... Not a trait of a person like me, or a Marine... SEE!! This is a lesson in patience (My wife came up with that). I will talk to you all in another month with an update. My pistols are still at the FFL waiting patiently for me. My S&W M&P .45 Performance Center as well as My Taurus 6.5" ported .44 Mag will be there when I get the approval.

I sort of hate the trigger on my performance center, compared to my p938. The fiber sights are great though in the day.

 

[Devildog9999]

I went with the tritium sights on mine (The PC Shield). Do you have the newer one or one of the older year models? I have heard that the trigger is pretty good now on the PC Shield.

 

[Devildog9999]

Damn it....Hunting season is nearly here, and still NOTHING on my permit. I was really hoping to have it for hunting this year. Oh Well, maybe next year.

 

[FLA45fan]

Chautauqua county - 4 months to the day for me.

Just heard from a gal who used me as a reference here in Chautauqua county - 5 weeks for her !

 

[Devildog9999]

So frustrating to say the least. There must be a HUGE backlog that is causing this delay.

 

[Devildog9999]

After all the comments about wait times, I finally broke down and called the Pistol Permit office to VERY NICELY ask about the status of my application, and after a few minutes on hold - low and behold - it is waiting for NY State Child Support to sign off that I owe $0.00 in child support. It has been over 12 years since I paid child support - but for some reason they are the delay. She would not tell me when the request was sent there, but did say it was unusually long for a reply and that she would call over and inquire. She said once that step is done it will go to NFPD for final processing, reference checks, and my interview in- home with a detective - and then onto the judge for approval / denial. THIS is why so many people don't even bother to try and get a permit.

 

[GOYABEAN]

After all the comments about wait times, I finally broke down and called the Pistol Permit office to VERY NICELY ask about the status of my application, and after a few minutes on hold - low and behold - it is waiting for NY State Child Support to sign off that I owe $0.00 in child support. It has been over 12 years since I paid child support - but for some reason they are the delay. She would not tell me when the request was sent there, but did say it was unusually long for a reply and that she would call over and inquire. She said once that step is done it will go to NFPD for final processing, reference checks, and my interview in- home with a detective - and then onto the judge for approval / denial. THIS is why so many people don't even bother to try and get a permit.

You should feel lucky I can just imagine how many have been in the same situation and not even had children at all typical government fuckup

 

[livingston]

After all the comments about wait times, I finally broke down and called the Pistol Permit office to VERY NICELY ask about the status of my application, and after a few minutes on hold - low and behold - it is waiting for NY State Child Support to sign off that I owe $0.00 in child support. It has been over 12 years since I paid child support - but for some reason they are the delay. She would not tell me when the request was sent there, but did say it was unusually long for a reply and that she would call over and inquire. She said once that step is done it will go to NFPD for final processing, reference checks, and my interview in- home with a detective - and then onto the judge for approval / denial. THIS is why so many people don't even bother to try and get a permit.

So if one owes child support one does not get to exercise a right... I notice it does not apply to voting

 

[Devildog9999]

So if one owes child support one does not get to exercise a right... I notice it does not apply to voting

Yep - same with driving. Owe support - lose that too- but at least that is not a RIGHT.

 

[Justincase]

Don't fret too much. My wait was 20 months. That was frigging torture.

Take the intro to concealed carry class with FTWNY. James is great and very knowledgeable. He will answer ALL the questions you have... factually. Not just "i heard this or that"

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I believe that having a loaded handgun (ammo in handgun) on your person while in a motor vehicle is legal if you have an 'Unrestricted' carry permit, illegal if you have a 'Sportsman' (target shooting and hunting) carry permit.

Carrying a concealed handgun is not against the law in NYS (with a target hunting permit), but the judge may revoke your permit of you are caught doing so against his "recommendation".

 

[Devildog9999]

And...... another month goes by with no movement... This really blows. I have to find a way to forget about this until I get a surprise visit.

 

[Krakatoa]

And...... another month goes by with no movement... This really blows. I have to find a way to forget about this until I get a surprise visit.

Move to another state if it is so important to you. They intentionally make this process as annoying/irritating as possible to dissuade people from owning handguns. I would go as far to say that if you live in counties that act this way towards CCW, it is almost not even worth it.

 

[Doc8404]

Carrying a concealed handgun is not against the law in NYS (with a target hunting permit), but the judge may revoke your permit of you are caught doing so against his "recommendation".

Sexist. Why does it have to be a male judge?

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Sexist. Why does it have to be a male judge?

So he can be accused of sexual assault.