StanBlues300
22lr
Evening folks, both east and west of the Mid-Hudson Valley, parts abroad
New guy from OC
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Howdy, also from Orange Co.
StanBlues300
22lr
Your tagline is quite apropos...I actually just got my permit and I've been searching for months for the firearm that I became quite familiar with at the range. Despite the dead ends and scammer websites I've come across, I feel like I can't give up the search.
alistair
.223 Rem
Welcome neighbor, where in OC are you located?
StanBlues300
22lr
Smack dab in the middle of Monroe, moved here from the city a couple of years ago with the family and have loved it since.
What are you looking for? Some of us spend way too much time looking at gun stuff.
StanBlues300
22lr
A Walther PPQ M2. As they make a particular 10rd version, my LGS doesn't recommend getting the non-legal 15rd, even with a 10rd mag. So I've been scouring the web trying to find one, but I've come across some web articles that mentions a legal (if it is truly illegal at all) way of doing just that. Because I've become quite familiar with it and actually bought the Umarex air pistol version as they are as close to the actual firearm that you can get weight/size-wise to practice grip and stance. I've even field dressed it preparing to actually own the real one! HAHA
StanBlues300
22lr
At this point, I'd even resort to the M1 if it absolutely came down to it.
Welcome
StanBlues300
22lr
Thank you, one of my favorite wineries is in Ulster!
I feel like you're either confused about some things, or perhaps just the way you wrote it out here it is confusing to me. I would not be surprised if your LGS gave you bad info or gave it to you in a confusing manner.. plenty of stories like that around here.
When you say, "getting the non-legal 15rd, even with a 10rd mag", do you mean ordering the gun to your FFL with a standard capacity mags and just not having them give you the included mag(s) and buying your own 10 rounders ? The way you put it makes it sound (to me) like you're under the impression that something is different about the gun itself, and that's not the case. There isn't any NY legal or not NY legal version of the gun (unless you're talking about one with a threaded barrel or some banned feature). The only difference with a 10 round version is that 10 round mags are included at the factory, instead of standard capacity, and it will have a different factory item number (SKU number, whatever). The scenario I described above is also perfectly legal, it's just that you'd lose the money on having to replace the mags that the store/FFL can't sell to you along with the gun.
Or is it that Walther simply doesn't package a 10 round version at all ? I'm not familiar enough with the gun to know, but that is the case with some guns.
StanBlues300
22lr
Both are very likely I'm afraid, but what you've described is exactly what I mentioned to my LGS and the second I mentioned it, he shook his head in a disapproving manner. And I figured that there wouldn't be any significant difference besides the mag capacity, so I do wonder why he shot the idea down. So it is possible to simply buy the firearm without the mag, which isn't a problem as I'd just be buying extras anyway...I should have joined this forum months ago...Thanks!!
StanBlues300
22lr
It is the case that Walther does have a different SKU for each of its 10- and 12/15-rd versions, so I always thought the guy might be onto something if NY does actually scrutinize that sort of thing
@Darth is one of our resident Walther super-fans. Since you're new to the forum, and may not know this, now that I've 'tagged' him he will be alerted he'd been mentioned here and will likely view this thread. I'm sure there are other folks here who can do the same, but I'm also sure he can give you answers on if models are available.
For future reference you can do that by putting the @ symbol in front of any user's username.
Anyway, yes it is legal to do that (have the FFL keep the standard cap mag(s)) , and certainly people here have done it, but a particular shop/FFL may decide they don't want to. My best guess would be that maybe an FFL wouldn't want to put it on his books that he'd sold the gun since I don't think there's any way to officially notate it having been sold without the mags, but that's just a guess. Some do it, some don't.
For future reference you can do that by putting the @ symbol in front of any user's username.
Anyway, yes it is legal to do that (have the FFL keep the standard cap mag(s)) , and certainly people here have done it, but a particular shop/FFL may decide they don't want to. My best guess would be that maybe an FFL wouldn't want to put it on his books that he'd sold the gun since I don't think there's any way to officially notate it having been sold without the mags, but that's just a guess. Some do it, some don't.
StanBlues300
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Much appreciated, I can see this becoming my go-to resource for all things NYS firearm-related with the dearth (no pun intended) of conflicting information out there.
Looking forward to future threads as well!
Looking forward to future threads as well!
alistair
.223 Rem
I'm sure you've been to Master Class - nice guys that will not steer you wrong.
I've purchased Glocks before from out of state FFL that were listed for sale with standard capacity mags but asked selling FFL to swap out mags with 10 rounders. Pistol received by my local FFL with 10 round mag and transferred no questions asked. May want to make a few calls to see if any would help. As far as I am aware SKU no doesn't get recorded on any federal transfer documents and it's perfectly legal for your FFL to transfer a state compliant pistol irrespective of manufacturer packaging. Good luck and welcome to the forum.
Howdy.
StanBlues300
22lr
Yes, now that I have my permit, I’ve been going there more often. Everyone has been really helpful. Was going to NJ for range time when I could in the past, but they’re great at Master Class
StanBlues300
22lr
You guys are showing me a light just when I thought I was done for - thank you!
Dr. Evil
.950 JDJ
Welcome from a somewhat soon to be in the not too long near future ex Ulster county resident.
StanBlues300
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Thanks, I’m assuming to “greener pastures” for some reason or other! LOL
Dr. Evil
.950 JDJ
You'll find out why.
Greener pastures and pastures with less Hochul, Gillibrand and Schumer.
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StanBlues300
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Sorry I missed this one, nice to meet you
StanBlues300
22lr
So quick update, I was able to contact a dealer willing to sell without the high-cap mags and linked with the same FFL dealer holding a Kimber I just picked up at the gun show in Middletown last weekend. Just waiting on the BOS and I'll be all set pending the amendments.
Thanks again for the great advice!
Thanks again for the great advice!
PutnamCharlie
.223 Rem
Welcome. Every pistol I have purchased came with std mags. I just purchased mag blocks and had them install them to make them 10rds.
Dr. Evil
.950 JDJ
FIFY.
StanBlues300
22lr
Good point, limited vocabulary and much to learnPlease refer to them as "Standard" capacity. Don't fuel the BS narrative.
