Certainly. Maybe someone will offer a laminate stock for the Ruger PC?
@Willjr75, I actually like the look of that PMM forend though too. Its cleaner looking. Are there any problems with it?
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@Willjr75, I actually like the look of that PMM forend though too. Its cleaner looking. Are there any problems with it?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
None other than that it doesn't cover the top of the barrel. If you don't plan on mounting anything on the top, it's a non issue. Heat can be a problem if you like your thumb over the barrel but unless you plan on mag-dumping round after round after round, it also is a non issue.
I've only shot it in the winter indoors. After about 150 rounds, the barrel wasn't too hot to touch. Just warm. The flutes on the barrel help. My AR used to get too hot to touch after the same amount of rounds.
The handguard is thick in circumference on the 3 sides though so if it does get hot, a shift of the thumb doesn't compromise the grip. Especially if you run a handstop like I think you do on all your rifles.
Not as clean as @Willjr75 but I think the Midwest looks slightly better than the one ruger is offering, by just a little
MI-CRPC9<br>MI Ruger PC9 M-Lok Hand Guard M-LOKâ„¢ Compatible
MI-CRPC9<br>MI Ruger PC9 M-Lok Hand Guard M-LOKâ„¢ Compatible
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Idk, for me, if it went all the way to the muzzle like the Ruger I'd agree. Right now I'm torn between the Ruger one and the PMM.
I would prefer the MW to go all the way to the muzzle as well
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Regardless, I am glad to see these hand guards coming out for this pcc. I'm gonna have to get me one of these!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I like that one. It would allow me to put irons on it. Going all the way to the muzzle isn't an issue for me. My arms aren't that long.
If the PMM one kept the same shape but with a flat section covering the barrel with a pic rail running down the back that matched up to the receiver that would be perfect.
@Willjr75 tell us about that red dot mount.
@Willjr75 tell us about that red dot mount.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The mount itself is a Daniel's Defense (not sure at work) or Midwest Industries that's holding a Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot.
It's on a rail from Taccom that replaced the rear iron sight and uses the same screws from the rear sight to secure the real to the barrel.
It's on a rail from Taccom that replaced the rear iron sight and uses the same screws from the rear sight to secure the real to the barrel.
It's a good setup, I like it. Modern quality red Dots, like the PA, are plenty reliable, with plenty enough battery life to rely on without irons to back them up.
That is a very clean installation that avoids the zero issue were it mounted on the receiver.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
My only issue is an EMP. Would a red dot survive an EMP. It's 50/50 according to experts. But I'm probably overthinking things.
Could always just get offsets.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
They have mobile units to shut cars down, basically a controlled EMP. AFAIC if it has an IC chip in it, it can be defeated by an EMP. Working on PC's and laptops you should wear a ground strap so a static discharge doesn't fry the electronics, and that's just simple static electricity.
@Willjr75 here you go. Ask and ye shall receive
They mentioned they can retro fit existing handguards
They mentioned they can retro fit existing handguards
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Guess I have to call them. Thanks.
@Podmonkey, this may be the best option yet. Very clean looking. The others from Ruger don't look like they belong.
Well that is just ideal right there. Looks right and keeps your hands from getting burned.
In fact I also much prefer the PMM with the top cover over the Ruger or the other one mentioned. I keep getting tempted by sexier options like the Scorpion Evo or the PSA AK-V but those are $700 guns, still blowback and in the case of the Scorpion you'll spend a further $300 outfitting it with the aftermarket goodies that make it pop.
The Ruger is a takedown so compact, discrete storage is a breeze and frankly, @Willjr75 I think with the PMM forend it looks cool. And I think the Ruger PC layout is maybe more appropriate for a range plinker too. I even think I'd try to find a non threaded version so I can have something to bring up to NY with me when I visit.
In fact I also much prefer the PMM with the top cover over the Ruger or the other one mentioned. I keep getting tempted by sexier options like the Scorpion Evo or the PSA AK-V but those are $700 guns, still blowback and in the case of the Scorpion you'll spend a further $300 outfitting it with the aftermarket goodies that make it pop.
The Ruger is a takedown so compact, discrete storage is a breeze and frankly, @Willjr75 I think with the PMM forend it looks cool. And I think the Ruger PC layout is maybe more appropriate for a range plinker too. I even think I'd try to find a non threaded version so I can have something to bring up to NY with me when I visit.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yeah. Unless you plan on running a silencer, there really is no useful muzzle device for a 9mm carbine since almost all of those gases are already burned up in the barrel for threads to be necessary. A muzzle brake wouldn't really help nor would a flash hider.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Game changer.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Man, this thread...I have to have one of these now and wouldn't you know it, my dealer doesn't have it instock. He had plenty before, but not now, lol.
When is PMM releasing the new one? Nothing on their website yet.
No clue, they just posted that on IG last night. Looks like it's just a prototype or preproduction
I hope its soon. I want a 9mm carbine pretty soon.
Might end up with the AK-V. I'm waiting to see how Rob Ski's 5,000 test goes. It's a $700 or so gun but it needs nothing extra. A factory Mlok version is available and it looks good to boot.
The newer versions will be coming with a folding brace that looks like the classic triangle stock.
From what I've seen the AK-V is super nice especially since PSA was all over the initial release issues and seems like they worked things out. MAC did a review when they sent his back to him with the fixed including the MAC bracket.
The ability to take CZ scorpion mags is another nice ability for the AK-V. Granted glock mags are about the same price but easier to find, 35 rounders in free states are a nice option.
And yea I keep checking the unions YT channel to see what their verdict is
Oh and as much as I love CZ stuff. Idk the Evo doesnt really peak my intrest compared to all the direct competitors it has
The thing with the Scorpion is I think it is a great gun, its accurate and reliable and light while being durable but to get it where I'd want it I'd want the HB Ind. handguard which requires replacing the reunion which is a PITA or even a gunsmith only operation and expensive any which way, the trigger is a PITA to replace if you end up with a welded trigger pack, the pistol braces for it are absurdly expensive. The whole project would be expensive and time consuming.
With the Ruger I just need the new PMM handguard at $150 or whatever. The AK-V I need nothing and I can just focus on getting a shit ton of magazines for it. That said I wanna see if it has accuracy problems as rumored first.
The Ruger PC is supposed to be very accurate.
I would also add for the scorpion, the stock safety I guess is super uncomfortable, and most people replace them, and tbh it just looks larger than other guns in its class
With a 5" barrel and handguard to go with it it's not. HB Industries seems to be the one with all the Scorpion upgrades, including a variety of safety replacement options. Yet another thing to replace. So for the Scorpion it would be a:
1-HB handguard which needs the HB trunnion
2-May as well get a short 5" barrel at that point
3-Grip replacement
4-Safety replacement
5-Brace kit
6-Trigger upgrade kit
That's a lot of stuff! And yes CZ offers one with some of the HB stuff on it already...... for $1,200. And limited production.
For the Ruger its
1-Handguard.
It's the cheapest option even with that
The AK-V needs:
'Nuffin
All the other PCCs are either too hokey or too expensive. Or not reliable.
Yes, handled one at Europtic while I was getting my scope. Waaaaaaay too expensive, it's high tier AR15 money. The friggin' brace is over $400! And magazines are $50 a pop. I have enough Gucci gear for now. I just want something simple and inexpensive yet quality to plink at the range with. The Ruger is great for that.
Damn and I thought the ghm9 was their "budget" model specifically to compete with the scorpion
B&T GHM9 Gen 2 9mm Compact Pistol BT-450008
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/b-t-ghm9-brace-adapter-w-tailhook
And EuroOptic has very competitive pricing on their stuff. In fact they offer the brace for almost $100 cheaper but their web listing didn't have a pic. Even still.
Now, y'all know I have no qualms over spending stupid money on guns and gear but there is a limit. I have to feel I am getting value for my money. Its subjective but I just don't see the value, for me, in an expensive 9mm carbine.....pistol.....thing. for any kind of serious use I'd rather employ a 5.56 carbine so to me a 9mm PCC is more of a novelty. Doesn't mean I'd never keep one ready to go bedside but that is a very secondary use, for me.
What the Ruger has is it's a known quantity. It's an update of a proven design, the PC9 which itself is derived from the exceedingly well proven 10/22. Its Inexpensive, reliable, accurate and rugged at the cost of weight and size. For my purposes that's an acceptable tradeoff, and the size is mitigated by its takedown feature which I have always thought was neat.
The KelTec does some of the same things but I can't get a positive consensus on it.
Like I said way back in the other thread the Ruget really sits at a feature nexus in its market.
Ruger has done well to expand its PC offerings.