Modean
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New York Legislature repeals call for federal constitutional convention
Common Cause/NY applauded the decision.
nystateofpolitics.com
There goes Newsoms' 28th Amendment.
New York Legislature Repeals Call For Federal Constitutional Convention
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There goes Newsoms' 28th Amendment.
There will never, ever be another Constitutional Convention.
These people are mentally ill:
In a statement to Capital Tonight, Krueger said the move stymies "efforts by extreme right-wing forces to tear up the protections all Americans enjoy under the US Constitution. I’m very pleased that the Assembly has adopted it as well. Our country is facing extraordinary threats from destructive, hateful, un-American ideologies on the right – we can’t allow them to try to gain a permanent foothold in the Constitution."
In what world do Conservatives of any stripe not steadfastly defend the Constitution? And which Party is ignoring the Constitution whenever they want?
In a statement to Capital Tonight, Krueger said the move stymies "efforts by extreme right-wing forces to tear up the protections all Americans enjoy under the US Constitution. I’m very pleased that the Assembly has adopted it as well. Our country is facing extraordinary threats from destructive, hateful, un-American ideologies on the right – we can’t allow them to try to gain a permanent foothold in the Constitution."
In what world do Conservatives of any stripe not steadfastly defend the Constitution? And which Party is ignoring the Constitution whenever they want?
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Krueger (D) said - "Our country is facing extraordinary threats from destructive, hateful, un-American ideologies on the right"
The leftists are projecting again, they are always projecting.
The reality is -
- Our country is facing extraordinary threats = Democrat Party (D)
- destructive = open borders (D)
- hateful = racists (D)
- un-American = Persecuting political opponents (D)
Elizabeth Krueger (D)
District 28 - Manhattan
The leftists are projecting again, they are always projecting.
The reality is -
- Our country is facing extraordinary threats = Democrat Party (D)
- destructive = open borders (D)
- hateful = racists (D)
- un-American = Persecuting political opponents (D)
Elizabeth Krueger (D)
District 28 - Manhattan
skywarner
9mm
Communists and Nazis have a long history of deflecting their actions upon their rivals, and without a media with journalistic integrity, there’s little stopping their actions… until they overreach.
The real question is, what is that tipping point?
JRtraderny
6.5 Creedmoor
The only place that needs to revisit their constitution is NY and I hope it isn't while it's under Democrat control.
The reason for never being able to have a True and Honest Constitutional convention is because of the extremes on both sides.
I am extreme Right, very extreme, the shit that I would want added and taken out of the Constitutional would make some peoples blood curdle
I am extreme Right, very extreme, the shit that I would want added and taken out of the Constitutional would make some peoples blood curdle
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
So much for personal responsibility. Fucking slob.
Don't be too sure about that. I would remind you to read about the french revolution.
Given the history, I would not want another convention. As a student of history I would say it is not out of the question. In fact in 5 years my guess is the idea will become very popular on the left.
The reason I do not believe one will ever happen, too many far reaching ideas of the future from both sides. Once called, very little can be done to stop some of the madness. Both sides would be too damn afraid of what the other side will get passed.
That is where I disagree with you my friend. Do you honestly believe the left is afraid of the right? The left, the true hardcore left controls the law schools, most urban DAs, the judiciary and the press. They control the culture. How does cnn get lower ratings than reruns of old sitcoms yet they still get all the attention? Even fox news references them constantly. Why? Their ratings are lower than whale shit. But they punch above their weight because they set the narrative.
Trump is facing dire legal action in 4 jurisdictions (NY, DC, Michigan, Atlanta) precisely because the left knows they can get away with blatantly political actions without consequences. After all, the mainstream press is on their side.
As soon as the democrats can control 26-30 states via state legislatures there will be calls for a constitutional convention. You can bet the first things to be discussed are those pesky first two amendments. They will be "revised" if not repealed. All in the name of citizen safety of course.
I hope I am correct and that you are not. I cannot disagree with your line of thinking. They need more than 26-30 states though.
Once 20 million illegals are eligible to vote and/or become citizens by stroke of a pen it will happen.
Modean
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I don't think this is ever likely to happen until or unless one end of the political spectrum gains outsize control of the process. Too much to risk for anything less. A lot of the people who call for a convention don't understand that everything is on the table were one to happen. Hard to imagine any scenario where we the people would come out of it better than we went in.
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spat
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The left has this perpetual notion that they will be in power forever after the next election.
I'm afraid one of these elections they'll be right.
They're not wrong if they make 20 million (illegals) into voting citizens overnight by stroke of a pen. That will be the end of Texas and then corresponding to the end of the electoral college.
That is their long game strategy.
Phazer
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And there should not be another "Constitutional Convention."
There SHOULD be a Convention of States:
Convention of States Action
Article V offers the only constitutional solution as big as the problem. Together, we can end federal overreach.
conventionofstates.com
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
I am curious what changes you would support
I will respond later when I get in the house.
OwnTheRide
.223 Rem
Well... ever hear of the PATRIOT act?
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
It would go: convention, abortion, civil war.
We can go in order. First thing I would alter and change is the Second Amendment. I would make to wording so simple that a blind, retarded Monkey could understand the words used. There would be no commas, no semicolons. Just a simple and basic Right.
The 4th, I would remove the word "unreasonable", make it simpler.
The 5th, I would remove the following... "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
The 6th, Speedy trial. I would set an actual time limit.
The 8th, I would get rid of it all together.
The 14th Amendment would disappear like a fart in the freaking wind.
The 15th Amendment, no longer needed.
The 16th Amendment would also be erased.
I would add an Amendment for term limits for those serving in the Federal government. A total of Ten years in elected service is all any American can hold. In the Amendment, there would be a pay structure that could not be altered. There would be no retirement money for those in Federal service.
The word “person,” as used in the Fifth and 14th Articles of Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, applies to all human beings, including unborn human beings, from the moment of conception, at every stage of biological development.
Nothing in this Constitution shall be construed as conferring or protecting a right to abortion.
Another Amendment, No State, city, or town shall have the ability to restrict the movement of the people.
I would end Supreme Court Justice lifetime tenure as well as all Federal Judges.
I would add a Balanced Budget Amendment. No matter what, no additional money could be spent.
A new amendment barring all tax payer dollars from going to foreign nations except for humanitarian aid for a serious disaster.
There may be more, this is a good start.
Politicians passed that...
RedBreast21
6.5 Creedmoor
Well then I guess they can't repeal 2A. 
Next week they'll change their minds.
Next week they'll change their minds.
Just keep in mind that in a Constitutional Convention, ANYTHING, and I do mean anything CAN happen: even the promise of something small or focused might or might nor happen, and ALL the other Amendments; yea, they can be discarded, rewritten, modified, or left alone completely.
The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to grab the Reigns of a Federal Government that was already starting to run out of control.
Should we reach the point of the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence again, we'd damn well better have highly intelligent, Liberty minded folks in the wings, else we're doomed to Third World Shit-hole status....to the victors go the spoils AND the History written in the Books.
The whole purpose of the Bill of Rights was to grab the Reigns of a Federal Government that was already starting to run out of control.
Should we reach the point of the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence again, we'd damn well better have highly intelligent, Liberty minded folks in the wings, else we're doomed to Third World Shit-hole status....to the victors go the spoils AND the History written in the Books.
96coal449
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End taxation of commerce.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I would propose an amendment that specifies a harsh penalty for not following the constitution.
Maybe even propose an entire new section, The Bill of NOT Rights, just to clarify that Healthcare, Welfare, etc, are not the responsibility of the federal government.
And the left would counter with a "Universal" BOR, and include all the free and green shit.
Just kidding. If we touch the constitution, it will turn into some 6 billion page pile of garbage that even includes aid for Ukraine.
Now, what I would absolutely be in favor of is a new Declaration of Independence. That's what we should be putting our efforts into.
Maybe even propose an entire new section, The Bill of NOT Rights, just to clarify that Healthcare, Welfare, etc, are not the responsibility of the federal government.
And the left would counter with a "Universal" BOR, and include all the free and green shit.
Just kidding. If we touch the constitution, it will turn into some 6 billion page pile of garbage that even includes aid for Ukraine.
Now, what I would absolutely be in favor of is a new Declaration of Independence. That's what we should be putting our efforts into.
Phazer
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That is exactly why we need an article V Convention of States for proposing amendments. This would constitutionally circumvent any dependence on congress in the process (except as the entity that merely schedules the convention).
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Most of the states are just as dysfunctional as congress.
I'll just keep the constitution in my heart and mind, with the hope that it can be used as the framework for a new government one day.
Phazer
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The brilliance of an article V convention is that it is a constitutional method to amended the constitution. Such a convention would require a majority floor vote to pass propositions and then 3/4 of the states would have to ratify any proposed amendments.
I believe that balanced budget and term limit amendments could get to the states for ratification.