NJ Bill Prohibits mail , Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale

[livingston]

Prohibits mail order, Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer in New Jersey.

This bill makes mail order, Internet, telephone, and any other anonymous method of ammunition sale or transfer illegal in New Jersey.

The provisions of the bill require all ammunition sales and transfers to be consummated as face-to-face transactions. The purchaser or recipient is to display a driver’s license or other government issued photographic identification at the time of sale. Face-to-face transactions are defined as sales or transfers in which the purchaser, transferee, or assignee is in the physical presence of the seller, transferor, or assigner.

Under the bill, a violator would be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree, which is punishable by a term of imprisonment of up to 18 months, a fine of up to $10,000, or both.

Federal and State licensees and dealers, law enforcement agencies and officials, and collectors, when purchasing, acquiring, or transferring ammunition which is recognized as being historical in nature or of historical significance, are exempt from the provisions of the bill.
S3493

Liberals control all of NJ with the election of a new governor .... More bills will be swift in coming

 

[Magnus]

Cuomo 2.0, the northeast is really starting to sicken me.

 

[Airborneguy]

If this goes through, it will affect me worst than our own bill did. I currently order all of my ammo through my cousin in NJ, or ship to one of numerous family members' homes. My brother lives in PA in a spot that's some drive though. This would suck.

 

[MothMan]

I wonder if my 5 year old 9mm could be considered historical in nature?

 

[Cooolone]

Just get in your car, takea nice ride to the countryside in another State, and fill your trunk!

Done!

 

[MothMan]

I usually have it shipped to my front door.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

What is more historical than The 2nd ammendment?

 

[spat]

I usually have it shipped to my front door.

Thats great until they finally implement the ammo background check that was part of SAFE.

Once that happens it really will be illegal for places to ship to your door in NY and the few that still do will dry up.

I'd assume its coming sooner or later.

 

[freddy]

Jesus H Christ. What a battle we have on our hands.

 

[MothMan]

Then if needed I’ll take that ride @Cooolone spoke of. FUNY

 

[thegatman]

Ohio is looking better and better.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Anything the gubbermint touches ends up costing us more.

Too bad voting doesn't require a gubbermint ID.

 

[Jmac00]

uuum, what about powder? Cases, Primers and/or Projectiles. THIS is why I reload.

all this bill says is "ammunition" they didn't really define what they consider to be "ammunition"

 

[Grimscale]

all this bill says is "ammunition" they didn't really define what they consider to be "ammunition"

You're right, they didn't define it. They most specifically did not define it, so as to be able to paint with as broad a brush as possible.
They'll come out with some document that explains "ammunition" as being anything from completed cartridges to reloading supplies to even the magazines used to hold it, just because they think they can!

 

[Podmonkey]

If this goes through, it will affect me worst than our own bill did. I currently order all of my ammo through my cousin in NJ, or ship to one of numerous family members' homes. My brother lives in PA in a spot that's some drive though. This would suck.

Drop ship through your PA brother.

 

[Phazer]

uuum, what about powder? Cases, Primers and/or Projectiles. THIS is why I reload.

all this bill says is "ammunition" they didn't really define what they consider to be "ammunition"

They'll default to U.S. Code:

18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions

18 U.S. Code § 921 - Definitions
(17)
(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.​

 

[Phazer]

It will be important to know when this is proposed for NY. Because...when it is proposed it will be necessary to stock up on as many reloading supplies as possible.

This would absolutely pass in NY.

 

[Cooolone]

Start saving brass, order up on powder, etc...!!!

Winter is coming!

 

[dsdmmat]

Start saving brass, order up on powder, etc...!!!

Winter is coming!

Winter is here.

 

[Phazer]

Winter is here.

Well...the Army of the Dead is just getting to the far side of The Wall and the barrier is starting to crumble.

Winter is imminent.

 

[togmaster]

I always reload more in the winter.

 

[Bigfoot]

This is not what our founding fathers meant by the term "shall not be infringed"
I hate the new Democrats with a fucking passion!!! They have become my sworn enemy.
The anti American - anti Constitution - anti Freedom - anti Liberty, law breaking, lying, cheating, corrupt,
illegal immigrant supporters and protectors, kid molesting, sexually deviant freaks...

IMO, when President Trump's term is over the Democrats will make damn sure that there is never a Republican
President ever again, not even a RINO.

President Trump has pulled the cover off the Democrats and RINOS and also the MSM. He has fully exposed them and what their true intensions are for all to see... It's time the people in the middle pick a side because there is a bloody fight coming.

IMO, the only way to possibly avoid the fight coming up. Is to start criminally charging the leading Democrats for their obvious crimes and imprisoning them as to make examples of them. One does not need a law degree to see that Hillary Clinton "for the best of many examples" is guilty as hell... WTF Jeff Sessions, do your fucking job. The evidence against Hillary and some others is overwhelming.

Speaking of anti American - anti Constitution - anti Freedom - anti Liberty, law breaking, lying, cheating, corrupt,
illegal immigrant supporter and protector,,, FUCK YOU ANDY CUOMO!!!

Rant Over / My apologies if I veered off topic...

 

[SomeSoldier]

That didn't take long.

 

[Darth]

I wonder if my 5 year old 9mm could be considered historical in nature?

That's what I was thinking.

"It's THE caliber used in Columbine! You KNOW that was significant! Or was it not? Do you not care about those kids that died that day you heartless bastards!?"

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's what I was thinking.

"It's THE caliber used in Columbine! You KNOW that was significant! Or was it not? Do you not care about those kids that died that day you heartless bastards!?"

It was your video games that killed those kids.

 

[Darth]

It was your video games that killed those kids.

Well it was certainly my gun. They used a Hi-point 995, just like the one I had before the terrible accident.

 

[Bigfoot]

That didn't take long.

It never does take long it seems.

The "people control" bills are already drawn up and the Democrats just wait for the opportunity to introduce them.
Like Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act, for Cuomo that opportunity was Sandy Hook... But we all know that... Just saying.

 

[Acer-m14]

This is not what our founding fathers meant by the term "shall not be infringed"
I hate the new Democrats with a fucking passion!!! They have become my sworn enemy.
The anti American - anti Constitution - anti Freedom - anti Liberty, law breaking, lying, cheating, corrupt,
illegal immigrant supporters and protectors, kid molesting, sexually deviant freaks...

IMO, when President Trump's term is over the Democrats will make damn sure that there is never a Republican
President ever again, not even a RINO.

President Trump has pulled the cover off the Democrats and RINOS and also the MSM. He has fully exposed them and what their true intensions are for all to see... It's time the people in the middle pick a side because there is a bloody fight coming.

IMO, the only way to possibly avoid the fight coming up. Is to start criminally charging the leading Democrats for their obvious crimes and imprisoning them as to make examples of them. One does not need a law degree to see that Hillary Clinton "for the best of many examples" is guilty as hell... WTF Jeff Sessions, do your fucking job. The evidence against Hillary and some others is overwhelming.

Speaking of anti American - anti Constitution - anti Freedom - anti Liberty, law breaking, lying, cheating, corrupt,
illegal immigrant supporter and protector,,, FUCK YOU ANDY CUOMO!!!

Rant Over / My apologies if I veered off topic...

keep going ... heheeee ...

 

[Defilade]

IMO, the only way to possibly avoid the fight coming up. Is to start criminally charging the leading Democrats for their obvious crimes and imprisoning them as to make examples of them. One does not need a law degree to see that Hillary Clinton "for the best of many examples" is guilty as hell... WTF Jeff Sessions, do your fucking job. The evidence against Hillary and some others is overwhelming.

This was one of my biggest reasons for my vote for Trump. Trump seems to question the Justice Dept recently though. Mr Sessions should have been handing out indictments everyday with the crimes of this past fuck-up of a Administration. I feel now that he is in Collusion with the swamp creatures and is just stalling.

Donald Trump Challenges Jeff Sessions: ‘Where Is Our Justice Department’ on Hillary Clinton? - Breitbart

 

[nortatoga]

Maybe?

Attorney General Jeff Sessions Considering Special Counsel for Uranium One Dealings