non-AR15 - .223 rifle

[alistair]

I want a 223 caliber semi-auto rifle, but on principle I won't buy a NYSafe AR15.

I know there is the Mini-14, but are there other 223 rifles that you would recommend?
What do you know about the Russian Vepr ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm waiting on this to become available. Keltec RDB-C.

 

[knuts]

^ what is that? more info?

 

[Bananabandit]

^ what is that? more info?

check the text in his post.

223 , semi auto, ny legal, non stupid ar...

You sir are looking for an SCR.

 

[GOPerfect]

RDB-C

 

[alistair]

^ what is that?

It's ugly

 

[GOPerfect]

It's ugly

Ugly, made from cheap plastic and is not very well priced!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I like it because it's like having an SBR at a length of 26 inches with a full sized barrel. I also like it's streamlined shape. There is no pistol grip to get in the way when stowing. It'll fit in a compartment in my backpack perfectly. With an AR, I have to break it down to get in.

Plus, I wouldn't have to play legality games. It's legal as is.

 

[Podmonkey]

Veprs are among the best quality Kalashnikov types out there. They are based on the heavier RPK style receiver.

 

[Podmonkey]

The SCR is a compliant type lower that accepts standard AR uppers:

 

[Podmonkey]

There is also the KelTec SU16CA:

 

[Podmonkey]

Or maybe you could track down a rare HK SL-6:

Be prepared to pay out the ass if you somehow do find one, they were imported in small numbers for a short time.

 

[Podmonkey]

Not a 5.56 but an SKS is a good option also. Yugos can still be had for less than $500 I think.

 

[nortatoga]

Yes Ares SCR!

 

[Marine Cpl]

If you can stomach his long videos, Nutnfancy put the RDB survival version which is the non 50 state legal one with an adjustable stock and flash suppressor through it's paces. He gave it a thumbs up. For what it's worth, he isn't one of the paid shills that give everything a thumbs up. He's given thumbs down to other keltec products in the past.

 

[Podmonkey]

Is the RDB even gonna be available any time soon? It's rare to see even the standard RDBs. Maybe I'll stop in SPAR firearms next time I'm in Mechanicsburg, they have tons of KelTec stuff. Last I was there they had three PMR-30s as well as a RBBs and a freakin' RFB! They had an SPAS 12 in there once too.

 

[Prudii]

Kel-Tec actually makes guns? Nah they design, advertise, and make just enough to send to youtubers. Then never actually produce any for the rest of us.

Anyways what you want is a Saiga Sporter in .223. Just as with the Kel-Tec have fun trying to find one that wont cost an arm and a leg.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Is the RDB even gonna be available any time soon? It's rare to see even the standard RDBs. Maybe I'll stop in SPAR firearms next time I'm in Mechanicsburg, they have tons of KelTec stuff. Last I was there they had three PMR-30s as well as a RBBs and a freakin' RFB! They had an SPAS 12 in there once too.

I don't know. When they actually do produce them, people end up buying them all and putting them on gun broker at high prices. They'll sell too at those inflated prices due to the demand they can't keep up with.

 

[Podmonkey]

Here you go, it's not as insanely expensive as I thought it would be:

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/751955921

Get on it, good looking rifle and you will be the only guy on the range that has one.

 

[Prudii]

Is the RDB even gonna be available any time soon? It's rare to see even the standard RDBs. Maybe I'll stop in SPAR firearms next time I'm in Mechanicsburg, they have tons of KelTec stuff. Last I was there they had three PMR-30s as well as a RBBs and a freakin' RFB! They had an SPAS 12 in there once too.

I allocated one at my LGS back in December.

 

[Saltwater60]

Henry makes a lever action .223. Looks pretty sweet.

 

[freddy]

Is that the new semi auto lever action I read about?

 

[freddy]

Me personally, I'd just get the new lever action mini-14.

 

[Podmonkey]

Henry makes a lever action .223. Looks pretty sweet.

The “Long Ranger” | Henry Repeating Arms

Interesting. 10 round magazines,laminated furniture and carbine length barrels might broaden the appeal of these.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Is the RDB even gonna be available any time soon? It's rare to see even the standard RDBs. Maybe I'll stop in SPAR firearms next time I'm in Mechanicsburg, they have tons of KelTec stuff. Last I was there they had three PMR-30s as well as a RBBs and a freakin' RFB! They had an SPAS 12 in there once too.

Had a spas 12 about 2 years ago, honestly other than it being a spas 12 it was a horrible shotgun, the pump was bad the loading was fucking horrible and the semi was hit or miss and the thing was uber big.. I do kind of regret selling it though

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Or maybe you could track down a rare HK SL-6:
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Be prepared to pay out the ass if you somehow do find one, they were imported in small numbers for a short time.

I remember those. 1980's vintage.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Some of you boys might be interested in this new offering from Browning, cal. .308 Win
BAR MK 3 DBM (Detachable Box Magazine)

Edit: Currently out of stock on Gallery of Guns. Doh. Must be selling like hotcakes.

 

[mchasal]

View attachment 25637
Interesting. 10 round magazines,laminated furniture and carbine length barrels might broaden the appeal of these.

Unfortunately, I think the lever limits the size of the magazine you could use with this. You can see in this pic that when it's forward, it looks like a longer magazine would interfere. Might be a creative solution that could get around it, but it's not just making a longer mag. Maybe Henry will make one with bottom ejection and a side mounted magwell that takes AR mags

 

[dsdmmat]

There are some advantages of going the SCR route.
1) magazines are the same as the AR15
2) all AR15 upper components (sans the bolt carrier are compatible)
3) modular design just like the AR15.

I would highly recommend either an adjustable gas block or gas key for any upper you decide to put on it. There are not too many options as far as recoil spring or the spring guide yet.

 

[Podmonkey]

Unfortunately, I think the lever limits the size of the magazine you could use with this. You can see in this pic that when it's forward, it looks like a longer magazine would interfere. Might be a creative solution that could get around it, but it's not just making a longer mag. Maybe Henry will make one with bottom ejection and a side mounted magwell that takes AR mags

Whoops! Good point.