NY and CT compliant "Other Firearm" Delta Level Defense.

[togmaster]

Here is a CT4-2A Other Firearm being being sold on Armslist.

ARMSLIST - For Sale: CT4-2A - DELTA LEVEL DEFENSE

And here is Jem's fixed magazine pistol that's on his permit.

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So now I have the "Other Firearm" and Jem has the fixed mag pistol listed on his permit. We are in the same car and we get pulled over and searched. Who's going home that night and who's getting booked? It's the same gun.

Answer: You are both going to jail.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Answer: You are both going to jail.

You might be correct. Jem is a scoundrel of the 3rd kind . The cop would probably let me go and pin all charges on him and rightfully so. The world would be a better place.

 

[stuck in ny]

it doesn't fire a fixed shotgun shell though.

I mean by the sullivan act, not ATF. Federal law about muzzle loaders not being firearms doesn't stop NYstan, so why does federal law regarding the shockwave keep them (NYstan) from considering it a pistol?

 

[SteyrAug]

TAC 14 !

 

[stuck in ny]

Here is a CT4-2A Other Firearm being being sold on Armslist.

ARMSLIST - For Sale: CT4-2A - DELTA LEVEL DEFENSE

And here is Jem's fixed magazine pistol that's on his permit.

View attachment 34137

So now I have the "Other Firearm" and Jem has the fixed mag pistol listed on his permit. We are in the same car and we get pulled over and searched. Who's going home that night and who's getting booked? It's the same gun.

You need a vertical foregrip to make them not pistols. Just being 26+ overall does not make a rifled bore arm an other instead of a pistol. Some of the Sig 55x's were imported as pistols with 16 inch plus barrels, but they were still pistols.

 

[SteyrAug]

Who is scared of Black Bears ?
We kill them here with 38 specials ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Who is scared of Black Bears ?
We kill them here with 38 specials ?

Wrong thread fucknut.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I mean by the sullivan act, not ATF. Federal law about muzzle loaders not being firearms doesn't stop NYstan, so why does federal law regarding the shockwave keep them (NYstan) from considering it a pistol?

Because Nystan can do whatever it wants. It's laws cannot be less restrictive than federal laws but they can be more restrictive.

 

[Airborneguy]

"Other" is a technicality right now, you want one while it's technically legal to buy one, that's up to you guys. I wouldn't want the state police to find me with one.

Exactly.

A lot of cops are getting silencers in NY now because of an actual loophole in our laws. Long story short, in my opinion it’s not gonna last and they’re all going to be turning them in soon. That’s why I’m not doing it.

 

[Eddie Gunks]

Ha ha ha.

Peoplem have been doibg this “other” ar thing for years. Welcome to the party.

A puatol can be made into an other then back. It can be made into a rifle. And back. No problem.

To make a pistol a rilfe you beed to add A STOCK. That is all. The wuestion is what did you make? A rufle or an SBR. The answer comes doen to the barrle length. (And a stock. You can have a 16+ inch pistol barrel)

My “other” is a 14.5 in fun gun.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You need a vertical foregrip to make them not pistols. Just being 26+ overall does not make a rifled bore arm an other instead of a pistol. Some of the Sig 55x's were imported as pistols with 16 inch plus barrels, but they were still pistols.

By federal law yes. But in NY, a pistol with the vertical foregrip is still considered a pistol. An assault weapon pistol but still a pistol.

 

[Airborneguy]

Pistol with a foregrip = assault weapon.

Will called it from the start. In NY, that’s all this “thing” is.

 

[Jem45472]

You might be correct. Jem is a scoundrel of the 3rd kind . The cop would probably let me go and pin all charges on him and rightfully so. The world would be a better place.

Yeah, I'm lucky to be out on the streets. I never told you about my partying days with brett kavanaugh

 

[SteyrAug]

And I never told you about the weekend back in 1960 with Diane Feinstein, a 12x 12 ft plastic tarp and 5 gallons of olive oil !

 

[stuck in ny]

Cuomo raped my goat. I remembered it just now, since I have been continuously drunk since 1978.

 

[Airborneguy]

And I never told you about the weekend back in 1960 with Diane Feinstein, a 12x 12 ft plastic tarp and 5 gallons of olive oil !

She shove a scope up your ass?

 

[Kno3cs]

Cuomo raped my goat. I remembered it just now, since I have been continuously drunk since 1978.

He got mine back in 82’

 

[maverick52]

I’d really like to get the CT4-2A but it’s got a high price tag and based on what I read here I am not so sure I would go to jail, but I am concerned one day they will be outlawed and I will have to turn them in. I just don't have $1600 to burn. I’d rather get a $500 AR on sale at PSA or Grabagun and pin the mag.

 

[spat]

I took a few minutes and reviewed the handgun restrictions listed on the safe act website. Being that this is not manufactured as a pistol, and does not meet the federal definition of one, I don’t really understand what case the state would have against this. The Tac-14 and shockwave “firearms” that are being sold at gun shops throughout the state also fall in to this category of firearms which do not meet any other specific definition under federal law. Correct me if I’m wrong, but part of the reason they remain legal is because they are manufactured and sold in that configuration. I believe the company’s warn against marking alterations to the firearm. Hence you can buy one of these “others”, but not build one yourself. It is all a bit confusing, but I really hope this goes the distance. It could make a huge difference for the black rifle enthusiasts here if it all pans out.

You can make your own shockwave legally at home just as easily as a manufacturer.

What you can't do is make one out of an existing long gun. And neither can a manufacturer.

To be legal, these weapons must *never* have been shotguns.

 

[spat]

I believe the ones you can't build to sell are 80% lowers rifles or pistols !

No, you can't "be in the business" of making or selling firearms without an FFL.

That means you can't make one from an 80% *with the intention of selling it*. It also means you can't sell even one that you bought with the intention of "flipping" it.

But if you plan on keeping it for yourself, there isn't anything I can think of that an FFL can make that you can't except machineguns.

 

[RITPA]

I tried to purchase one of these from DLD directly and the owner refused to give me actual proof the firearm is an ATF "other". So I cancelled the sale.

He sights summary in his own words of his ATF letter with a ATF reference number on his own website, social media posts and fact he has sold thousands in NYS without issues as proof they are legal. His websites explains the reason why it is an "other", but you have to take his word on it.

Any LEO who pulls you over in possession of one of these is not going to care what social media or a website says. Eventually someone is going to get challenged by a LEO for SAFE ACT violation and not have any documentation!

I mention Mossberg posted their ATF "other" letter and asked him for the same. He sites the Mossberg letter is concerning the grip and his documentation is about an entire firearm. Posting his letter he says may hurt his security clearance with active military contracts, which I understand. It would also probably hurt his sales from copy cats.

NYS all three branches of government are Democrat. The SAFE ACT is already going to be gonna fixed for the typo on "muzzle brake" this year. Even if this firearm is NYS legal now, it will not be once Gov. Cuomo swipes his pen again.

 

[GUNSICK]

I tried to purchase one of these from DLD directly and the owner refused to give me actual proof the firearm is an ATF "other". So I cancelled the sale.

He sights summary in his own words of his ATF letter with a ATF reference number on his own website, social media posts and fact he has sold thousands in NYS without issues as proof they are legal. His websites explains the reason why it is an "other", but you have to take his word on it.

Any LEO who pulls you over in possession of one of these is not going to care what social media or a website says. Eventually someone is going to get challenged by a LEO for SAFE ACT violation and not have any documentation!

I mention Mossberg posted their ATF "other" letter and asked him for the same. He sites the Mossberg letter is concerning the grip and his documentation is about an entire firearm. Posting his letter he says may hurt his security clearance with active military contracts, which I understand. It would also probably hurt his sales from copy cats.

NYS all three branches of government are Democrat. The SAFE ACT is already going to be gonna fixed for the typo on "muzzle brake" this year. Even if this firearm is NYS legal now, it will not be once Gov. Cuomo swipes his pen again.

The burden of legality is really on you and not his responsibility. Did you ever get a letter proving legality with any other firearm you purchased?

 

[RITPA]

The burden of legality is really on you and not his responsibility. Did you ever get a letter proving legality with any other firearm you purchased?

Firearm with a 12.5" barrel, SBR/AR pistol hybrid, and SAFE ACT "evil features". You really think wanting additional documentation in NYS is unreasonable?

 

[togmaster]

Firearm with a 12.5" barrel, SBR/AR pistol hybrid, and SAFE ACT "evil features". You really think wanting additional documentation in NYS is unreasonable?

You've made up your mind. So don't buy one.

 

[RITPA]

You've made up your mind. So don't buy one.

My post is not about making up my mind. Just sharing my direct experience with DLD. If ATF documentation was included, I would have purchased already. I actually was at the credit card phase of purchasing two of them and canceled it when he declined sharing his documentation.

 

[spat]

Firearm with a 12.5" barrel, SBR/AR pistol hybrid, and SAFE ACT "evil features". You really think wanting additional documentation in NYS is unreasonable?

The ATF is not going to issue a letter about anything being SAFE compliant, ever.

This guy may have a letter from the ATF saying his product is not covered by the NFA, but that doesn't do much good here anyway.

We can't even get *any* agency from any department of government to issue a declaration about any compliant product, even ones with thousands of sales in NYS.

 

[PutnamCharlie]

I bought three of them(556,300,308) I guess we will see what happens. I keep the letter with them in case they are questioned. Hopefully it never happens.

 

[togmaster]

I bought three of them(556,300,308) I guess we will see what happens. I keep the letter with them in case they are questioned. Hopefully it never happens.

You didn't get the 9mm? Whats wrong with you man?

 

[SuffolkArms]

The ATF is not going to issue a letter about anything being SAFE compliant, ever.

This guy may have a letter from the ATF saying his product is not covered by the NFA, but that doesn't do much good here anyway.

We can't even get *any* agency from any department of government to issue a declaration about any compliant product, even ones with thousands of sales in NYS.

Has anyone tried SCPD? They seemed happy to make a determination on the Shockwave.

 

[fnfalguy]

SMH. Not specifically directing this at you Suffolk, but since you mentioned it. Why would anyone ask the local, county or state LEOs if they thought something was good to go. Ultimately it's the courts that have the final interpretation of a nebulous law. Three different cops could give you three different opinions and to hang your hat on any of them is nuts in my opinion.

It's a personal decision of risk tolerance.