Egret-II
.40 S&W
That was a great example. I was thinking the same thing. I have a son. If I see a dangerous person about to hurt my son. I dont care if I go to jail. I'll use any force necessary to stop that person.
NY concealed carry questions
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FRANKIE
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Do they have a date set for that?
Yes.. anytime from January 24th 2022 and end of June / beginning of July recess
Of course. That's the main reason almost all of us carry, to protect those we love.
But, know the law. Know how you will explain your actions if you ever get to that point.
By having that knowledge before it's needed can save you a metric crap ton of misery.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
No date, but they heard oral arguments and the consensus is that we should get a ruling sometime in June.
FRANKIE
.308 Win
Sooner than I thought
But not a moment to soon
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ive applied to have my restrictions removed several times. Always had a clean record, had my NRA pistol instructor and RSO certs, as well as a number of certs from other classes including article 35 and was always denied for the bullshit "good cause" nonsense.
Im holding a good thought that their ruling covers alot of bases that we need.
Im holding a good thought that their ruling covers alot of bases that we need.
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FRANKIE
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Oh and, thanks!
What exactly would this change for new permit holders and long time permit holders
Not sure I understand it totally
Would the rules here be like P.A ?
(I know that’s a stretch)
fnfalguy
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Check your county or see if you can attend this in Orange County. It is through the OC Sheriff’s Dept. I took it a few years ago.
Celt
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Im no expert, but... at least we can hope that listing self defense as your reason would get new and existing permit holders UNRESTRICTED carry. They also discussed carrying on subways and high crime areas. Now, I dont know if that would lead to a NYS permit being good in the entire state (including NYC) or not but that would be outstanding. NYS is currently trying to get new legislation to ban carrying on mass transpo, crowded oublicnplaces like restaurants and bars, in ride shares, and any setting for any reason where there is mre than 15 people.
This is a summary of the court case.
This vid explains the new legislation.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Not just article 35, but self defense situations all around. I took o e and it was great.
Also for whatever reason the only thing duty to retreat on doesn’t apply to is arson. I’ve been told it’s because first responders are in danger even if it’s unoccupied. Also be sure you know the difference between burglary, robbery and simple breaking and entering.
Remember if you’re ever in a self defense situation you are to respond with person x needs to be charged with said crime for this reason and then you have chest pain and need to go to the hospital. You’ll make an appointment to speak to a detective after consulting your lawyer. Say nothing else other than the crime committed against you.
FRANKIE
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No. Don’t cut yourself short on being an expert.
Just based on the information you provided here,
I have a feeling you know “what time it is”.
It’s good feeling alone that the lower courts are anticipating a loss in the Supreme Court. But being the lower or “lowlife” courts that are, they already pulled the A08684 bill out of there asses.
A preemptive fatal strike on a still probable favorable Supreme Court decision. I heard those comments from Barrett and Sotomayor. I would expect that from Sotomayor but not from Barrett.
Let’s see where it goes.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
This case would remove administrative restrictions and you would get an unrestricted permit as far as I understand it.
Egret-II
.40 S&W
Now my question is: will I be able to use my NYS pistol permit in the NYC?
There is no ruling so how can anyone answer that
Celt
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We can hope, I know I am since I work there... Im not sure if there is a "non resident" nyc permit, but there would need to be a legal way for a NYS resident to carry in NYC.
Egret-II
.40 S&W
I work in NYC too. The question wasn't really a question. Was more like a wishful thinking.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
See I got it would since that’s an administrative restriction, but as stated I wouldn’t count on it.
No, you should make it a MISSION to take that class! Not "see" "IF"...
Just sayin...
And oh, I completely disagree with needing a glove and ball! Possession of a baseball bat is not a criminal offense! Not is possession of a KNIFE either! Hell, but the very narrow space provides in this type of example, carrying a pencil (sharpened) is a weapon! It certainly can kill and very easily if you know what to do with it! Of course, that's ridiculous right!? Well so is some of the crazy extension people will make in NY State! Because of the Govt programming we've received! I could have a sock and a roll or two of quarters in my car too, is that a weapon!? Hmmmm...
Here's the caveat... Make sure you only break one law at a time of you're going to do it at all! Lmao! You get stopped and you have a bat in your trunk, ok! What's the bat for if asked? Baseball! Is there a problem? What's the knife for? Opening boxes and letters! Occasionally cutting an apple or orange! Is there a problem? If an "auto" then I use it fishing! Are you going or return from fishing? Lmao... I was just on my way home to get my pole! Is there a problem?
Hahahaha...
Have fun, live life! Stop worrying about all the bullshit!
Regards!
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It all depends how much he's willing to try and can afford in legal defense.
If you become the first NY resident pistol license holder that gets caught in NYC and gets charged and take it all the way up the courts you eventually might be found innocent and legal and set a landmark ruling for the rest of the state.
Or we can wait until July, see what the ruling is (I'm guessing 6-3) then read the opinion and go from there. No need to speculate any of the nonsense now, especially when we are as close as we've ever been to a somewhat positive ruling
And because I feel like I have to add this (eye roll) I'm not trying to be a dick here
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Then bidoon packs the court because of this and it’s all downhill from there, but there I go speculating again.
On a serious note I agree and it will be interesting to see what comes of this.
There have been plenty of precedence by non-ny residents who have been arrested in NY Shitty who have walked!...
The best story I remember was the tourist that was visiting the Empire State Building and while waiting on line to go to the top, and got to the front of the line, the tourist asked a guard if there were lockers for his firearm. Hahahaha, imagine the guard being so alarmed he calls the NYPD. Guy is arrested... And I remember he was released, etc. My brain says 5-10 years ago... But that's probably wrong.
Point being, they don't want the case that breaks their precious lock and hold on how they obfuscate your Right to Defense. The buckling prior to the NYC SCOTUS Ruling with the Shitty changing their supposed process and application of residential firearm ownership was appalling! Na example of exactly HOW NY will screw everyone going forward!
NY sucks, and that's the end of it, no fixing it, and really, with all the gangbangers running around shooting up the place, a law abiding citizen who steps outside some administrative function that's not actually law... Has little to worry about - IN MY OPINION! Lol
Anyways...
Doubt he will do that. Midterms are only a few short months after in November
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
As usual time will tell, but I can see this being a reason the left calls that they need to pack the court. Add in abortion and who knows what they will do. It will be a wild ride for sure. They are poised to lose big IMO as it stands right now so they may do something radical. Packing the court might be that, but you’re right it’s getting late and I would think if he was going to do it to be effective he’d have done it by now.
Crazy times were in.
If elections are this November and they can't even get enough votes to pass the spending package he wanted, or "voting rights" bill, or even change/86 the filibuster, how do you suggest they get enough votes to pack the court??
First Biden would have to nominate atleast 2 judges if not more, they they would have to go through the whole nomination process and somehow get confirmed..
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To be brief, I was in the EXACT same situation, Here is what I found out.
The "Target" Restriction is an administrative restriction which means that you will not go to jail while carrying outside of your restriction but why take the chance? While in NYS (going to the range), just place the firearm unloaded in a secure lockbox with the ammo separate. You can strap up when you get to your destination. If you *really* want to carry, make sure that you have no stops along your route to keep things simple. It would also help if you have some sort of documentation to keep in your car from the range such as a brochure, appointment, or used targets. Most LEOs will not care if you show them something 'reasonable' during a traffic stop for a traffic violation, which is common.
Non-Resident PA - unbelievably easy to get. The entire state has the same set of rules with the exception of Philly. The problem is finding a sheriff who will process the application. State PA Law says that they are 'supposed' to do it but some won't. Search the forums for the county listing of who will do non-resident PA Permits. Adams County is one of them (Gettysburg).
PA Guns - you may wish to think about what you purchase out of state. Even though you may pass an NCIS check with your PA address (assuming that you have one that the PA FFL honors), you will likely get into trouble if you register that pistol or firearm on your NYS permit *if* it has the banned features. I suggest keeping firearms at both locations and/or accessories. For pistols, no threaded barrels in NYS but you can keep 10 round mags for NYS and 27/30/33 round mags in PA (all illegal in NY) but keep them in PA. Also, for a rimfire rifle such as your 10/22, the same issue applies. Keep the 10 round mags in NYS and leave the 25 Round BR-25 magazines in PA.
As of this date and until they overturn the UNSAFE law in NYS to coincide with the anticipated favorable SCOTUS ruling (NYS will fight it, to be sure), keep the good stuff in PA, which is a free state. They also allow suppressors (with the appropriate ATF approvals).
Good luck!
To be brief, I was in the EXACT same situation, Here is what I found out.
The "Target" Restriction is an administrative restriction which means that you will not go to jail while carrying outside of your restriction but why take the chance? While in NYS (going to the range), just place the firearm unloaded in a secure lockbox with the ammo separate. You can strap up when you get to your destination. If you *really* want to carry, make sure that you have no stops along your route to keep things simple. It would also help if you have some sort of documentation to keep in your car from the range such as a brochure, appointment, or used targets. Most LEOs will not care if you show them something 'reasonable' during a traffic stop for a traffic violation, which is common.
Non-Resident PA - unbelievably easy to get. The entire state has the same set of rules with the exception of Philly. The problem is finding a sheriff who will process the application. State PA Law says that they are 'supposed' to do it but some won't. Search the forums for the county listing of who will do non-resident PA Permits. Adams County is one of them (Gettysburg).
PA Guns - you may wish to think about what you purchase out of state. Even though you may pass an NCIS check with your PA address (assuming that you have one that the PA FFL honors), you will likely get into trouble if you register that pistol or firearm on your NYS permit *if* it has the banned features. I suggest keeping firearms at both locations and/or accessories. For pistols, no threaded barrels in NYS but you can keep 10 round mags for NYS and 27/30/33 round mags in PA (all illegal in NY) but keep them in PA. Also, for a rimfire rifle such as your 10/22, the same issue applies. Keep the 10 round mags in NYS and leave the 25 Round BR-25 magazines in PA.
As of this date and until they overturn the UNSAFE law in NYS to coincide with the anticipated favorable SCOTUS ruling (NYS will fight it, to be sure), keep the good stuff in PA, which is a free state. They also allow suppressors (with the appropriate ATF approvals).
Good luck!
Egret-II
.40 S&W
My family lives in Luzerne County PA. That's where I applied for my out of state pistol permit. You can only do it online or by mail. I did it online.
Licensing Division | Luzerne County, PA
The Licensing Division handles licensing for firearms and precious metals in Luzerne County.
www.luzernecounty.org
It took Adams County 3 days to approve mine. I had to make an appointment to pick it up which was 3 weeks in the future (in the middle of the worst of COVID). I have went to one of the local gun /rod/ hunting clubs near where my relatives have property. Even though they knew that I was a native NY'er, they were open, welcoming, and gave me lots of tips on stance, etc. I even completed my NRA qualification while there as well. That is good for the live-fire requirement in other states for which you may be interested in, such as FL. Don't forget to get your UT permit as well since you can get this even before you have your NYS permit. I received my UT permit (N/G in NY) before receiving my NY permit. Go figure since the laws are different over there. You just need to find a UT qualified instructor in NYS. There are quite a few of them out there.