NY Guns and Pot - New Laws coming

[Modean]

It occurs to me that everyone here has purchased a firearm. You filled out a 4473 and had to produce ID, which was then photocopied by the FFL. Why aren’t you bent out of shape about that?

 

[S&W Fan]

It occurs to me that everyone here has purchased a firearm. You filled out a 4473 and had to produce ID, which was then photocopied by the FFL. Why aren’t you bent out of shape about that?

Not sure what county you’re from but I have Never had an FFL photo copy my ID. both my SOC #and DL# are written on the 4473 no photo copies required

 

[Modean]

Not sure what county you’re from but I have Never had an FFL photo copy my ID. both my SOC #and DL# are written on the 4473 no photo copies required

Fair enough, I’ve had it done to me by FFLs in both Onondaga and Oswego Counties. But they did record your DL#, which is what got this discussion going.

 

[Jmac00]

I thought it was already a law to show ID when purchasing alcohol and tobacco?

yes, you do have to show ID, But THAT NEVER GETS PUT INTO A DATA BASE. They are just confirming your age.

These new Pot laws, will get your guns removed.

so the thing to do here, IS GET SOMEONE ELSE to buy your pot for you...DUH!

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Why aren’t you bent out of shape about that?

What makes you think we aren't bent out of shape about it?

 

[S&W Fan]

Fair enough, I’ve had it done to me by FFLs in both Onondaga and Oswego Counties. But they did record your DL#, which is what got this discussion going.

Hmm, interesting. I’ve purchased many guns over the last 38 or so years in NY in multiple counties , the majority in ONondaga and Not One FFL has ever photo copied any ID.

 

[Jmac00]

Gas station in town has software requiring a valid id scan for any age restricted products.

I'll give them my Medicade card

 

[Robin]

Entitled to what? Their store bar scanner tag that tracks your spending habits that are sold on the marketing market and God knows where else, is voluntary, I don't participate. Even though the practice of carding an obvious senior citizen is blatantly stupid, I volunteer my proof of age, That is all that is required. There is much to be learned from the numbers that identify you and I do not participate, obviously it must not be a store "requirement" for buying beer or I would not have been able to complete my purchase. What if I didn't have a drivers license? Again, who's entitled? I don't even understand the premise. Just an intentional mischaracterization, typical.
Robin

 

[Modean]

What makes you think we aren't bent out of shape about it?

Did you tell the FFL you wouldn’t do it and say “do you want to sell this gun or not”?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Did you tell the FFL you wouldn’t do it and say “do you want to sell this gun or not”?

If only that would work.

 

[Darth]

Entitled to what? Their store bar scanner tag that tracks your spending habits that are sold on the marketing market and God knows where else, is voluntary, I don't participate. Even though the practice of carding an obvious senior citizen is blatantly stupid, I volunteer my proof of age, That is all that is required. There is much to be learned from the numbers that identify you and I do not participate, obviously it must not be a store "requirement" for buying beer or I would not have been able to complete my purchase. What if I didn't have a drivers license? Again, who's entitled? I don't even understand the premise. Just an intentional mischaracterization, typical.
Robin

Not following the rules because you feel you shouldn't have to.

The rule is "to purchase, present ID." That's all the employee cares about. The rule isn't "to purchase, wait until asked for ID and cry to the manager. "

But if a "mellenial" did something similar, you'd certainly say they had entitlement mentality.

 

[Robin]

Well, that is certainly a lot of nonsensical gibberish meant to buttress a position of nothingness. But then, that is what you do.
Robin

 

[Modean]

Entitled to what? Their store bar scanner tag that tracks your spending habits that are sold on the marketing market and God knows where else, is voluntary, I don't participate. Even though the practice of carding an obvious senior citizen is blatantly stupid, I volunteer my proof of age, That is all that is required. There is much to be learned from the numbers that identify you and I do not participate, obviously it must not be a store "requirement" for buying beer or I would not have been able to complete my purchase. What if I didn't have a drivers license? Again, who's entitled? I don't even understand the premise. Just an intentional mischaracterization, typical.
Robin

Clearly it was a store requirement and the manager chose to get a jack wagon out of there and risk it. It does happen. Congratulations, you “stuck it to the man” with resistance. It doesn’t make you right.

 

[Robin]

My my my, aren't you the hostile little twit. Another mischaracterization of self serving blather. Actually the exchange was rather amiable, I suspect she was as fed up with the absurdity of it all, as well.
You need anger management.
Robin

 

[pjzwtl]

This is why I make my own beer

 

[Jsmegs77]

I would assume that the scan of ID is to prevent the cashier from becoming a weak link. Visual verification is all well and good, but the burden of proof rests on the cashier, who can lie for someone they know. Scanning the ID prevents keypunch error and removes the cashier from the chain, in some respect. Blame for this probably lies with assorted agencies who conduct stings and try to entrap businesses to collect fines. It’s only natural businesses are going to go to extremes to not fall into the trap.

Of course, this assumes that the scan is just a go/no go checking mechanism and not a data entry and storage setup. But unless you’re familiar with the POS system in use, you won’t know, the cashier won’t know, and likely the store manager won’t know either.


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[GoodGuywitha9mm]

I'm still wondering what container bearing a NYS Tax Seal will be required to (first buy), store and transport weed. ...and what stops you from reusing it, and getting weed from the guy in the alley?

 

[Modean]

My my my, aren't you the hostile little twit. Another mischaracterization of self serving blather. Actually the exchange was rather amiable, I suspect she was as fed up with the absurdity of it all, as well.
You need anger management.
Robin

Trust me on this. She was fed up with you.

 

[GoodGuywitha9mm]

I would assume that the scan of ID is to prevent the cashier from becoming a weak link. Visual verification is all well and good, but the burden of proof rests on the cashier, who can lie for someone they know. Scanning the ID prevents keypunch error and removes the cashier from the chain, in some respect. Blame for this probably lies with assorted agencies who conduct stings and try to entrap businesses to collect fines. It’s only natural businesses are going to go to extremes to not fall into the trap.

Of course, this assumes that the scan is just a go/no go checking mechanism and not a data entry and storage setup. But unless you’re familiar with the POS system in use, you won’t know, the cashier won’t know, and likely the store manager won’t know either.


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Uggghhh... will probably require the cashier to be 21 (sorry jobs for young people!), stings busting employees stealing stash, or better yet skimping on the weight of the product... there so much to control!!! FUAC

 

[Robin]

Trust me on this. She was fed up with you.

Trust me on this one. Seek help.
Robin

 

[E the massive]

I'm still wondering what container bearing a NYS Tax Seal will be required to (first buy), store and transport weed. ...and what stops you from reusing it, and getting weed from the guy in the alley?

Check out California's shit storm of regs. A good docuseries is "Murder Mountain".

 

[GoodGuywitha9mm]

My my my, aren't you the hostile little twit. Another mischaracterization of self serving blather. Actually the exchange was rather amiable, I suspect she was as fed up with the absurdity of it all, as well.
You need anger management.
Robin

I regularly park at the Legion, and walk over to a pkg store that “requires “ scanning a DL to make a purchase. I whip out my Utah Pistol License and foil the scan plan. “You don’t have a Driver License?” they ask. “Nope” I coyly reply.

 

[Robin]

You could cost them their job!!! Just kidding, we need some levity. Actually I did first pull out my PP because it just happen to be in the foremost slot and she wouldn't take it, I explained that it was much harder to get one than a drivers license, but she insisted so I ponied up.
Robin

 

[Acer-m14]

few years ago i was poking thru NY business laws and came across a section and from reading and understanding of it , no matter what the store is selling , if you think the customer is a illegal alien you can ask for legal papers ie green card , passport ect for proof that there valid to be in the USA or its a NO SALE ...

 

[GoodGuywitha9mm]

few years ago i was poking thru NY business laws and came across a section and from reading and understanding of it , no matter what the store is selling , if you think the customer is a illegal alien you can ask for legal papers ie green card , passport ect for proof that there valid to be in the USA or its a NO SALE ...

Si...

 

[AC Orange]

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If I were wanting to buy pot under this supposed new law and I was a gun owner, I sure as hell would not be the first in line on that deal. Let that baby simmer for quite a while and see what happens to other guys. After all, we are talking about NYS and FUAC and company. I wouldn't trust any of them farther than I could throw them.

 

[GoodGuywitha9mm]

Sure! I always wanted to try weed!

...What? Don't assume I was a pot smoking fiend teen...
Well, maybe a little... My issue is how did I afford it when I was young and unemployed??? Now I make the most I ever have in my life, and I would have to get a loan to buy weed! Hahaha lol