NY SAFE Act And Its Recertification Fiasco

[holdover]

Then you are more a man than I. Your pecker grew a few inches larger than mine.
Are you proud of yourself?

I did what I believed was right.


Everyone else isn't a man then right?

Noooooooo, you do what ya gotta do. I choose something different because of my convictions




What is it that you are trying to say? Are you telling us to get rid of our guns and replace them with defaced ones from the back of a trunk to be men in your eyes

Im telling you not comply.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I' going to bring up something this dude who is talking about How he buys guns out of a trunk or does not comply or "something like that" has an LEO banner.... ie he's exempt from the safe act AW bans ie this I will not comply bull shit statement loses all credibility

 

[holdover]

No Im not exempt. Im actually risking my ass .

 

[Marine Cpl]

No Im not exempt. Im actually risking my ass .

You don't swing the other way do you? I'm not gay but all your manliness is really turning me on. I need a real man in my life!

 

[Robin]

More internet mystery's, Sheesh!
Robin

 

[masterswimmer]

I did what I believed was right.


Everyone else isn't a man then right?

Noooooooo, you do what ya gotta do. I choose something different because of my convictions


What is it that you are trying to say? Are you telling us to get rid of our guns and replace them with defaced ones from the back of a trunk to be men in your eyes

Im telling you not comply.

So which is it? You're saying we should each do what we have to do? Or, we shouldn't comply?

 

[Robin]

Its a mystery!
Robin

 

[holdover]

So which is it? You're saying we should each do what we have to do? Or, we shouldn't comply?

I guess you do what ya have to do. You live with own decisions. just don't whine about it

 

[FrankenCub]

@livingston @Willjr75 There's other good problems you guys bring up, local LEO's. I know around here in Broome County that the Sheriff won't enforce Safe but you get pulled over by Binghamton PD, Johnson City PD or Endicott PD you're screwed. Multiply that by 100 fold throughout the state.

 

[masterswimmer]

I guess you do what ya have to do. You live with own decisions. just don't whine about it

Thank you, THANK YOU!
I've been waiting for your fucking permission!!

Oh and if ever I do decide to whine I'll certainly ask for your permission on that front too! Or not!

 

[holdover]

You don't have to ask for permission to be a fucking hypocrite . Your doing a good job all on your own. Im just pointing it out.

Your going to comply with Andy's illegal orders then complain about it. LOL. Then bitch at me for pointing it out? Gotcha.

probably have a Andy Cuomo bumper sticker on your car even though you don't support him .

 

[Marine Cpl]

Lol

 

[Bigfoot]

I miss the days that when guns where just guns.

These days if one is a gun owner politics automatically comes with it and that sucks.
When one opens the box and looks in it at there new gun. There are politics in that box too,
you can't see the politics in that box. But the politics are in there regardless.

-- This ( isn't ) the hill to die on for PP holders, I get that... The State "already" has their info. --

But it seems like New York gun owners are just never going to stand up for themselves in a meaningful way... Am I wrong?

And they always have a "justification" for bending over... Am I wrong?

And it is all of our faults for things getting as bad as they are... Am I wrong?

Does it even matter anymore ?



I'll admit, I'm frustrated and worn down with all of the losing... We never win, anything...

 

[Bigfoot]

I don't argue the status of pistol permits with those that don't have one.
Robin

I am glad to hear that, I have always respected you. So I don't want to argue with you anyways you sumbitch...

I guess I am going to have to apply for my PP so that I can have an opinion in this thread...
I will be back to this thread in 12 to 18 months if everything goes well... LOL

 

[Marine Cpl]

Let's be realistic here. How can you stand up? Let's think about this logically. There are only 2 ways to do this since letters and phone calls don't work.

Way #1. You do a Holdover as he says he's doing. You buy from the back of a truck or you refuse to abide. So you carry illegally and have any magazine you want. What happens? You get arrested if caught. Now if thousands do it, thousands get arrested little by little. They aren't just going to give up. They'll get you one by one. So Holdover goes to jail. A year later it's Darth. Then Gunsick. Then your neighbor a month after Gunsick. Then his friend 4 months later. Then his girlfriend. It'll be spaced out. Each person will have to bail themselves out and each person will have to pay fines and or serve time in jail. It keeps happening and each person keeps keeps going through the same old song. It isn't going to be massive arrests because they don't have x-ray vision. You'll have many isolated incident here and there throughout the years. The NRA will not help. If they do, the 2nd Circuit will upload the charges.

Way #2. A thousand guys follow Holdover, Darth, and Gunsick armed to the teeth and descend on Albany. They kill the guards and take the building. The state police and National Guard put an end to it. Most of them are killed and due to their actions, gun control goes even further. Martha, Jane, Timothy, and George from Erie and Schenectady counties who never once gave gun control a thought now think it's a good idea due to these wackos who killed a bunch of cops. Those cops will be plastered on the news along with the widows and children left behind. You don't really think NY'ers are going to get behind you on this do you? You are a fucking minority. Nobody thinks like us! How stupid can you be that you don't see that!

So tell me. How is it exactly that you are going to stand up? I'm all ears. Because other than getting arrested and losing your job, house and freedom or going on a rampage killing cops, there is no other way to do it.

 

[masterswimmer]

You don't have to ask for permission to be a fucking hypocrite . Your doing a good job all on your own. Im just pointing it out.

You'd be the perfect Dem (or dumb as the case may be) politician. You offer your 'permission' without it being asked for. And then toss the blame back on those you gave permission to.

 

[Bigfoot]

Let's be realistic here. How can you stand up? Let's think about this logically. There are only 2 ways to do this since letters and phone calls don't work.

Way #1. You do a Holdover as he says he's doing. You buy from the back of a truck or you refuse to abide. So you carry illegally and have any magazine you want. What happens? You get arrested if caught. Now if thousands do it, thousands get arrested little by little. They aren't just going to give up. They'll get you one by one. So Holdover goes to jail. A year later it's Darth. Then Gunsick. Then your neighbor a month after Gunsick. Then his friend 4 months later. Then his girlfriend. It'll be spaced out. Each person will have to bail themselves out and each person will have to pay fines and or serve time in jail. It keeps happening and each person keeps keeps going through the same old song. It isn't going to be massive arrests because they don't have x-ray vision. You'll have many isolated incident here and there throughout the years. The NRA will not help. If they do, the 2nd Circuit will upload the charges.

Way #2. A thousand guys follow Holdover, Darth, and Gunsick armed to the teeth and descend on Albany. They kill the guards and take the building. The state police and National Guard put an end to it. Most of them are killed and due to their actions, gun control goes even further. Martha, Jane, Timothy, and George from Erie and Schenectady counties who never once gave gun control a thought now think it's a good idea due to these wackos who killed a bunch of cops. Those cops will be plastered on the news along with the widows and children left behind. You don't really think NY'ers are going to get behind you on this do you? You are a fucking minority. Nobody thinks like us! How stupid can you be that you don't see that!

So tell me. How is it exactly that you are going to stand up? I'm all ears. Because other than getting arrested and losing your job, house and freedom or going on a rampage killing cops, there is no other way to do it.

It seems like just moving to a (free) state and getting on with ones life is the only good option. I'm working on just that.

Because as your post reflects,,, us New York gun owners just don't have any good options. We are in a lose, lose situation.
Prison or death isn't really an option.

So if someone can't move out, there just isn't any other option for them but to live under the tyranny.
It's been shown that we can't gain any ground 2a wise and that's that... That's the reality of it.

I don't view moving out of NY as "running" I view that at it as "looking" ---- "looking" for a better life.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It seems like just moving to a (free) state and getting on with ones life is the only good option. I'm working on just that.
Because as your post reflects, us New York gun owners just don't have any good options. We are in a lose, lose situation.
If someone can't move out, there just isn't any other option but to live under the worsening tyranny. It's been shown that we can't gain any ground 2a wise... That's the reality of it.

I don't view that as "running" I view that at it as "looking" ---- "looking" for a better life.

I agree. That's about all you could do. Unless there is a reset of some kind like an EMP or the whole country has the same gun laws and it goes to SCOTUS and gets turned around, there is really nothing you can do here in NY as long as law enforcement is willing to enforce those laws. If they weren't, there would be no laws. They hate to admit it but it's the truth. What would have happened if every General, Captain, Sgt, and Private refused to obey Hitler?

 

[Doc8404]

NYSP: we decided on our own not to enforce.

2/1/18: governor Cuomo reminded the superintendent of the NYSP who he reports to. Therefore, we will now enforce it. So where’s that back office list of who didn’t register? Ahhh there it is.

 

[holdover]

So tell me. How is it exactly that you are going to stand up?

Ive already told you. Your partially correct Will, it could mean going to jail. And No ,Were never going to move on Albany. Ever . Never gonna happen. Cuomo was right all along. We both know Cuomo's laws violate the constitution We both know its tyrannical. Ive taken steps to avoid this situation, Others have left the state. Many people across the state have chosen to not comply .I followed my principles Will, I will not bow to this tyrant, Stupid as you think it is . And if it means I have to go to jail for what I believe ,For just being an American . Then I guess I have to . I cannot in good conscience take part in this fucked up tyranny .Unfortunately I find myself pretty much alone on this .

One thing is for certain, you underestimate the political implications of throwing otherwise innocent men in jail. If Cuomo does that , his political career is finished . He can never be president , The rest of the country black and white will reject him .And Cuomo cares about Cuomo .if he has to back peddle to save his career he will back peddle. Understand him, he's all about the Cuomo. If its not to his advantage he will dump it in a NY minute.

 

[holdover]

NYSP: we decided on our own not to enforce.

2/1/18: governor Cuomo reminded the superintendent of the NYSP who he reports to. Therefore, we will now enforce it. So where’s that back office list of who didn’t register? Ahhh there it is.

That's funny though, The troopers know what they can and cant do , This is a ginormous task that would eat up valuable manpower and clog the courts .The superintendent is not going to take a large number of his men and tie them up with this nonsense. He has a job to do . Cuomo doesn't understand that.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So tell me. How is it exactly that you are going to stand up?

Ive already told you. Your partially correct Will, it could mean going to jail. And No ,Were never going to move on Albany. Ever . Never gonna happen. Cuomo was right all along. We both know Cuomo's laws violate the constitution We both know its tyrannical. Ive taken steps to avoid this situation, Others have left the state. Many people across the state have chosen to not comply .I followed my principles Will, I will not bow to this tyrant, Stupid as you think it is . And if it means I have to go to jail for what I believe ,For just being an American . Then I guess I have to . I cannot in good conscience take part in this fucked up tyranny .Unfortunately I find myself pretty much alone on this .

One thing is for certain, you underestimate the political implications of throwing otherwise innocent men in jail. If Cuomo does that , his political career is finished . He can never be president , The rest of the country black and white will reject him .And Cuomo cares about Cuomo .if he has to back peddle to save his career he will back peddle. Understand him, he's all about the Cuomo. If its not to his advantage he will dump it in a NY minute.

Hey. If the ride is worth it to you and you have nothing to lose, that's fine. Go right ahead. It may not be worth it to some however if their wife and kids lose the roof over their heads for a principle.

That's what you don't get. You may have a grey beard, be widowed with your kids grown, or have been pretty much single your whole life without kids. I don't know your particular situation just the same as you don't know someone else's. Not everyone is like you and can go to jail with others depending on them but you clown them and tell them they after wearing dresses. Are you going to make sure they are clothed and fed when the man is away in prison? Nope.

One thing is for certain. Until (I know Darth will react to this. He always does but it's the truth.) you say fuck it and do it in front of a cop, you aren't really doing anything at all if what you are doing is behind closed doors. Come out of the closet already and show that you don't give a fuck. Because hiding it is showing that you do. It's like being gay and not telling anyone.

You don't think those that wear dresses in your eyes do certain things behind closed doors as well. It may not be defacing serial numbers but I would bet they have what they have which may not be 100 percent compliant or at least have the parts and means to not be 100 percent compliant.

So go right ahead and call us fags in dresses. Until you do it on front of a cop, you are no different than a gay man with a wife and kids who lives a fake life. Come out of the closet already if you have principles. Don't hide it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That's funny though, The troopers know what they can and cant do , This is a ginormous task that would eat up valuable manpower and clog the courts .The superintendent is not going to take a large number of his men and tie them up with this nonsense. He has a job to do . Cuomo doesn't understand that.

Again. The NYSP aren't the only law enforcement officials in this mix. They don't have to come for you. You'll eventually come to them via a speeding ticket, self defense shooting, or some other means.

And who cares about Cuomo running or what the superintendent tells him. He thinks he's doing right. That's all that matters to him. Whether he wins the Whitehouse or not if irrelevant to what happens to you.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Non compliant persons, add their names to the no fly list or bust their balls when coming back from Canada.

Ayn Rands prophecies are coming true.

 

[holdover]

Hey. If the ride is worth it to you and you have nothing to lose, that's fine. Go right ahead. It may not be worth it to some however if their wife and kids lose the roof over their heads for a principle.

That's what you don't get. You may have a grey beard, be widowed with your kids grown, or have been pretty much single your whole life without kids. I don't know your particular situation just the same as you don't know someone else's. Not everyone is like you and can go to jail with others depending on them but you clown them and tell them they after wearing dresses. Are you going to make sure they are clothed and fed when the man is away in prison? Nope.

One thing is for certain. Until (I know Darth will react to this. He always does but it's the truth.) you say fuck it and do it in front of a cop, you aren't really doing anything at all if what you are doing is behind closed doors. Come out of the closet already and show that you don't give a fuck. Because hiding it is showing that you do. It's like being gay and not telling anyone.

You don't think those that wear dresses in your eyes do certain things behind closed doors as well. It may not be defacing serial numbers but I would bet they have what they have which may not be 100 percent compliant or at least have the parts and means to not be 100 percent compliant.

So go right ahead and call us fags in dresses. Until you do it on front of a cop, you are no different than a gay man with a wife and kids who lives a fake life. Come out of the closet already if you have principles. Don't hide it.

It would behoove you to actually pay attention to what I said instead of making shit up. I don't know , maybe you don't comprehend very well. But You have a bad habit of twisting what people say around.

#1 Where did I say I don't give a fuck? ( I didn't.)
#2 I have my fucking freedom to lose , My house my job, and everything else I own.
#3 Your not the only person in the world to have a family
#4 Begging to go to jail for a bullshit law is stupid ,who commits a crime in front of the cops ?
#5 Holy Fuck Will ,Im on the internet talking to you about being non compliant , You want me to turn myself in too ?to prove my point? what kind of idiot would do that. Thats one of the dumbest things you have ever said.

And yes your a fucking pussy for not standing up for yourself like a fucking man. Ok, If the skirt fits, wear it. taking the easy way out , complain about the law,Do nothing about it. tell everybody how much you have to much to lose. You think your the only one?You think I have nothing to lose? Im a fucking homeless bum? You say what you want to say , Your wrong and you know it. Your not man enough to admit it .And things are going to get a lot worse here thanks to people like you who don't give a fuck. If they made you wear arm bands you'd be first in line to get yours. At least I put my fucking neck out on the line Will, I didn't hide behind my family. What did you do hero? Comply?
Sorry cant respect that.

What Im doing is nothing compared to people who died for those rights people who had wives family's ,kids, homes. Complying is an insult to their losses. and its an insult to this country. Hell, We wouldn't even have a country if people thought like that.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

 

[holdover]

""And who cares about Cuomo running or what the superintendent tells him. He thinks he's doing right. That's all that matters to him. Whether he wins the Whitehouse or not if irrelevant to what happens to you.""

Somehow you cant see the bigger picture. By myself I am irrelevant, but ten thousand people behind me who have been thrown in jail also, does make a difference. You seem to have quite a bit in common with the ol governor.

 

[Marine Cpl]

""And who cares about Cuomo running or what the superintendent tells him. He thinks he's doing right. That's all that matters to him. Whether he wins the Whitehouse or not if irrelevant to what happens to you.""

Somehow you cant see the bigger picture. By myself I am irrelevant, but ten thousand people behind me who have been thrown in jail also, does make a difference. You seem to have quite a bit in common with the ol governor.

And you think there are going to be 10 thousand people behind you? Okay. I got a bridge to sell you. And as far as me or anyone else being a pussy, you don't realize that you are doing exactly what everyone else is doing? Hiding behind a closed door. Nobody wants to go to jail including yourself so what is it exactly that you are doing different that warrants you calling people a pussy or a queer in a dress hence my comment of standing up and coming out of the closet to do it on front of a cop.

You are doing nothing different than anyone else yet you have the audacity to paint your picture as if you are standing up for your rights. Again, what is it that you are doing that no one else is doing? You don't have to be specific. Give me a general idea because if its something akin to having features and magazines behind closed doors, you aren't any much more of a patriot than anyone else but are dense enough to brag about it and say you are one.

Remember, you are the one who started the insults. Mr. I don't have a pistol permit with a police banner and retired courtesy ID. I responded to your insults.

 

[holdover]

""And you think there are going to be 10 thousand people behind you? Okay. I got a bridge to sell you.""

According to you , everybody in the state who didn't certify would be arrested , so Id say that number is pretty low. Cuomo arresting people in the state. That's what I was referring to. (Certainly not 10,000 like me. cant seem to find one on here)

Remember, you are the one who started the insults. Mr. I don't have a pistol permit with a police banner and retired courtesy ID. I responded to your insults.

I wasn't specifically pointing out anybody, You really seem to have taken it personal. I didn't intend for this to be a dick waving thread.

I have zero police privileges.

Im sure we both have better things to do than argue about this non stop for the next week. This is nonproductive and looks juvenile.

We seem to agree on about 90% of the threads . Lets just put this one to bed. We don't agree on it and leave it there.

 

[Edwardteach72]

""And you think there are going to be 10 thousand people behind you? Okay. I got a bridge to sell you.""

According to you , everybody in the state who didn't certify would be arrested , so Id say that number is pretty low. Cuomo arresting people in the state. That's what I was referring to. (Certainly not 10,000 like me. cant seem to find one on here)

Remember, you are the one who started the insults. Mr. I don't have a pistol permit with a police banner and retired courtesy ID. I responded to your insults.

I wasn't specifically pointing out anybody, You really seem to have taken it personal. I didn't intend for this to be a dick waving thread.

I have zero police privileges.

Im sure we both have better things to do than argue about this non stop for the next week. This is nonproductive and looks juvenile.

We seem to agree on about 90% of the threads . Lets just put this one to bed. We don't agree on it and leave it there.

So you or not a police officer?

 

[Marine Cpl]

""And you think there are going to be 10 thousand people behind you? Okay. I got a bridge to sell you.""

According to you , everybody in the state who didn't certify would be arrested , so Id say that number is pretty low. Cuomo arresting people in the state. That's what I was referring to. (Certainly not 10,000 like me. cant seem to find one on here)

Remember, you are the one who started the insults. Mr. I don't have a pistol permit with a police banner and retired courtesy ID. I responded to your insults.

I wasn't specifically pointing out anybody, You really seem to have taken it personal. I didn't intend for this to be a dick waving thread.

I have zero police privileges.

Im sure we both have better things to do than argue about this non stop for the next week. This is nonproductive and looks juvenile.

We seem to agree on about 90% of the threads . Lets just put this one to bed. We don't agree on it and leave it there.

Nope sorry. I didn't say that everyone who didn't recertify will get arrested. Reread my posts from here and the 20 other recertification threads.

If you think I'm talking it personal, than so be it. I have no tolerance for people who sit on a high horse that are doing nothing different than anyone else behind closed doors. Everyone has things and if they don't, they have the means to right from the same closet or garage as you do. You act as if standard grips, stocks, and magazine releases are thrown out for good because Andy says so.

What is it to you if someone needs to protect their family to do so without any chance of losing their license or legal ability to carry re-registers an already twice registered pistol when you yourself don't even have to go through the same process?