NY schools given five years to buy electric buses
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Acer-m14
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School districts across the state will have five years to begin purchasing electric-powered school buses.
Legislation included in the 2022-23 state budget approved last week includes two timelines for school districts to begin using electric buses — a 2027 deadline to begin purchasing them and a 2035 deadline for schools around the state to have an all-electric school bus fleet. According to the Albany Times Union, the budget legislation does allow the state Education Department to delay the 2027 deadline if costs are too high or if parts aren't available. School districts can also apply for a one-time, two-year waiver from the requirement, according to the Times Union."
I do not remember voting for that .. did any of you .. ??
this State Budget should be a we the people vote .. ..
because 99 % of are reps do not do what we tell them to do ..
School districts across the state will have five years to begin purchasing electric-powered school buses.
Legislation included in the 2022-23 state budget approved last week includes two timelines for school districts to begin using electric buses — a 2027 deadline to begin purchasing them and a 2035 deadline for schools around the state to have an all-electric school bus fleet. According to the Albany Times Union, the budget legislation does allow the state Education Department to delay the 2027 deadline if costs are too high or if parts aren't available. School districts can also apply for a one-time, two-year waiver from the requirement, according to the Times Union."
I do not remember voting for that .. did any of you .. ??
this State Budget should be a we the people vote .. ..
because 99 % of are reps do not do what we tell them to do ..
Good luck splitting routes unless you're in better shape than we are with drivers. Saratoga barely has enough drivers as it is. At the beginning of the school year they put out an email saying if a driver couldn't work there might be a route canceled and they'd let parents know as soon as possible that day. They did have 2 days so far that parents had to drop off due to a canceled route.
To make matters worse with this idiotic plan, our district sends out the high school and middle school drivers at the same time. The middle school drivers go back out for the elementary pick up after they drop off at the middle school. There won't be enough battery left for the second run. Add to that the hills they need to climb in my area which will drain them faster and "clusterfuck" will be an understatement.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Closing all schools would be cheaper ..
home schooling ..
reloading 100 and 101
carpentry 100 and 101 .
Electrical 100 and 101 ..
Hunting 100 and 101
Cooking 100 and 101
ect
home schooling ..
reloading 100 and 101
carpentry 100 and 101 .
Electrical 100 and 101 ..
Hunting 100 and 101
Cooking 100 and 101
ect
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
back in the when was that era .. i graduated in 83 so had to be late 70's
snow storm .. school wanted to keep us .. no bus's could run
got to the phone at school called dad at work .,. the chemical place in Piffard ( Lucidol ) at the time
dad .. pick us up ( friends and I ) will meet you at the split
4 of use walked in the snow from the Geneseo Central School to where rt63 meets Geneseo .. down by the Suny college
on the curve ..
there was no way we were going to be stuck at school ..
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Uninformed and Compliant
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They should amend the requirement -
all power to charge the busses must be generated within 10 miles of those busses, by wind and/or solar.
Bus recharging is NOT to be connected to the grid.
Money meet mouth.
Otherwise it's a scam.
all power to charge the busses must be generated within 10 miles of those busses, by wind and/or solar.
Bus recharging is NOT to be connected to the grid.
Money meet mouth.
Otherwise it's a scam.
It's a joke that these politicians ignore simple physics and what the Diesel engine can do... Something the electrified busses and trucks won't replace very easily. But using buzz words like efficient and cost effective are downright fraudulent and should be actionable as they are misrepresenting facts to the public!
Cavalry
.308 Win
I do not agree with EV practicality in any instance other than personal urban use and especially do not agree with mandates, but it will be no appreciable difference in road wear. Yes, an EV school bus is heavier but still in a 33/36K gvw chassis, same as a diesel, and is only making 2 runs a day.
Transit busses are where the problem arises. The are much heavier to increase run times and pounding the same route all day long.
Absolutely correct...home schooling, local group schools...........with subjects such as boxing, cage fighting, wrestling, shooting, cleaning game, languages to understand your enemy...history, carpentry, electricity, masonry, painting, car repair, welding,. etc..in 15 years of schooling, we could produce a super generation of educated, literate, with bible familiarity............ and fucking patriotic.
NO disco or pink hair allowed.
NO disco or pink hair allowed.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Here is the way you fix the problem. Parents take their kids to school, parents pick them up from school. No buses are needed.
There, i just solved the over taxation to the people who are swindled & forced into paying school taxes!
There, i just solved the over taxation to the people who are swindled & forced into paying school taxes!
I'm glad we homeschool so we can somewhat protect our kids from the rampant stupidity that is .gov. I'm still pissed about having to pay school taxes though.
I believe one of the districts here in Oswego County did an analysis on electric buses (Central Square maybe?). Not only do the buses NOT have the capacity for the routes but National Grid told them they don't have the electrical supply needed to charge them. The electrical infrastructure in the state and nation is beyond abysmal. All I see now is farm land getting turned into solar farms, and power plants getting closed down. All the tree bugging bunny humpers eat that crap up and keep voting democrat.
I believe one of the districts here in Oswego County did an analysis on electric buses (Central Square maybe?). Not only do the buses NOT have the capacity for the routes but National Grid told them they don't have the electrical supply needed to charge them. The electrical infrastructure in the state and nation is beyond abysmal. All I see now is farm land getting turned into solar farms, and power plants getting closed down. All the tree bugging bunny humpers eat that crap up and keep voting democrat.
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
As you state it was approved with the budget vote as most things are these days in NYS. This should be illegal.
What we did vote on(I voted no) and passed was for small schools to be able to borrow any amount of money and change the state constitution on this. Now I see why. Of course NYS passed this crap.
Remember NYS will be doing carbon taxing soon and your gas bill is projected to increase by as much as 80%, gasoline to go up by $0.62/gallon and then what’s that mean for your electric bill. Buying busses and the cost to heat schools will make budgets and taxes soar. Remember every bus will need its own level III charging station so how much will that cost. There will be thousands around NYS then they will all be replaced with hydrogen at some point.
Where will these busses come from? Who will repair them? EVs are less reliable.
Also how much of a difference will this make? I can’t imagine much pollution comes from these busses for these short drives? Also what many do not understand is that the bus companies also use these school buses for other events and now they will need two of them. My kids district also recently traveled from north of Buffalo to Bemus point for a track meet so that won’t be happening anymore. Pure stupidity so these morons feel good or something.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I firmly believe they need to stick with diesel fueled busses. They are reliable, proven, and safer than electric buses.
If you know of someone who works for a school (K-12 or higher ed), they will buy something as the "shiny new toy". Once the shininess wears off, it will be put aside to depreciate. It will then end up on a place like eBay or what NYS likes to use is Auctions International for dirt cheap. I hear this all the time from friends that work in that industry.
It's sickening.
That will be what happens to those electric school buses.
These Bills are invariably passed by the overwhelming representation of the densely populated Blue areas such as NYC and Long Island, where they see lots of vehicles, traffic, people while ignoring the rest of the State. They do the same thing with Guns: lots of crime and crimes committed with guns, and they reflect their desires on the rest of us...I fully support the idea of a "New Amsterdam" leaving NYC to its own vices.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Our school district has already determined they'd have to, at minimum, double their bus fleet to be able to handle bussing in a single day. They'd essentially need a fleet for the morning and a fleet for the afternoon runs.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
electric buses..wait and see what the "opinion" of them is when one ignites. It would be like all the kids riding inside a micowave oven. Another cart before the horse legislation. My 2 cents is there is more to be concerned with the electric vehicles up north as the weather is harder on the batteries/system. I have a friend who has one..loves it..( any negative reason for not having one, he has a defending answer) but stores it in the winter like a classic car. Who has 60k plus for a fair weather driver ?
ManualF150
.308 Win
I can tell you right off the bat, keeping an electric car sitting is bad news. Let alone keeping it plugged in all the time. I don't care what kind of battery management it's got. After 3-5 years, you automatically shave upwards of 20% off battery life.
My last phone was excellent, except that like clockwork 2 years and the battery lost about 20-30% of it's efficiency. I'd bring it over to ubreakIfix over in Victor, NY, and have them put a new OEM battery in. Had them do it 3 times till I finally upgraded.
All this horseshit is a pipe dream.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Great, except parents work. That's not an option for 99% of the population.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
They can’t hire bus drivers now. They are paying a friend of mine $30/hour to drive a school bus.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Probably not 99% but yes that’s a huge issue. My son rides the bus but we could drive him but it’s a hassle. I’ve got one year left and I’m thrilled.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
I mean, we have enough drivers right now (well, enough to get it done, I'm sure they'd prefer more). The biggest issue our district has, as a rural district, is distance. It's also entirely possible, like others have said, is that they'd need to increase the routes due to battery range (especially in the winter), so MORE than double the fleet. That's just not realistic. At all.
urjustamemory
.40 S&W
A buddy of mine works for the town here, they got to test out an electric dump truck for winter plowing, I asked him what his thoughts were on it, All he said was a literal "Hah" I cant picture school buses being any better
Saltwater60
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School buses would be better. You have no clue how long you might need a dump truck to move snow for. You get a bad storm you could be out moving snow all day. School buses you know this is the time they will be needed for. Yes there could be a circumstance that comes up here and there but for the most part schools are closed in poor weather. The issue is the cost and in rural areas the range.
Saltwater60
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Maybe because you’re in a rural area but by me they can’t find drivers. Signs up everywhere looking for them and high pay. Last year they were going to have issues even moving the kids because they didn’t have enough of them.
urjustamemory
.40 S&W
True
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’m not saying they are there yet or I support this but an electric school bus could get the job done. The question is, is it worth it? Nope.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
I have a coworker whose husband sells school buses for Bluebird. I’ll get some info and post up what I find out.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Im shocked how ignorant so many people are of simple physics. The grid will need major upgrades to charge all these busses every night. And you're not gonna generate all this extra juice with jist wind and solar.
Many districts will need 2 fleets, a 1st run and 2nd run, as the busses won't go all day and can't be recharged fully in the small window of time they have between runs.
Many districts will need 2 fleets, a 1st run and 2nd run, as the busses won't go all day and can't be recharged fully in the small window of time they have between runs.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Interscholastic sports just gasped it’s dying breath, because there’s no way a bus load of athletes is getting to an away game and home again on a battery powered bus in our school district. I imagine it’s the same across the majority of the state. But that’s actually ok, as now they can just skip the games and straight to the Participation Trophy ceremony and call it done.
camper4lyfe
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That's not even including extra curricular activities that require buses; field trips, sporting events, ski clubs, etc.