Dr. Evil
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Another result of the fear mongering and paranoia. Thank you media.
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NYPD arrests people over social distancing
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Marine Cpl
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I’m trying to figure out your angle. What is it? Just expose those who aren’t healthy enough? What does being healthy or not have to do with trying to prevent infections so that the healthy don’t get it and pass it on to the non healthy? I got news for you. Your pizza guy isn’t healthy. Your mechanic isn’t as well. Neither is your mailman or your wife’s sister’s cousin’s husband. You keep preaching that the healthy have nothing to worry about. What about the non healthy? Do they matter?
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My angle? I guess I always look at cause vs. effect. You can't ultimately avoid infections unless you are the boy that lives in a plastic bubble. You can though prevent the damage done by them. I guess that's my angle. Of course the non healthy matter. I just wish more people would do things to become healthy instead of things that lead to them being non-healthy and have to treat disease. Why don't you point your questions to the profession that has gotten most people where they are? Maybe they have some answers lol.
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Police disperse KCK elementary school social distancing parade because it violated ‘stay-at-home’ order
Police intervened and broke up a driving parade of elementary school teachers and administrators on April 4. A police spokesperson said the celebration was nonessential and against state orders.
fox4kc.com
Marine Cpl
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Unfortunately I would say more than half this population is unhealthy as you would put it. Some by bad habits and some by genetics. Your disdain if that’s the right word (maybe not) or your wish for the unhealthy to be healthy isn’t going to change. Some cannot change due to genetics and some have no willpower or are too far gone. Welcome to America.
You always preach no vaccines and live of the fruits of those that are vaccinated and because of them your family doesn’t get sick. Now you want to disregard all those unhealthy people that kept your loved ones from getting polio, measles, smallpox, ect and motherfuck them because you want to sit in a movie theater to watch iron man while eating celery sticks.
I find that pretty fucked up.
holdover
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"""if someone dies with the COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death.""
That Sir, is not an opinion , It is a stated fact by the white house Response Coordinator for the White House Coronavirus Task Force
Dr. Evil
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Genetics doesn't mean destined. You can turn them on and off based on lifestyle. Epigenetics is a field that is showing this. Genes are like bullets in a gun and lifestyle is what pulls the trigger. Disdain? No disdain at all. Frustration that many like you have the attitude you do. The pizza guy isn't healthy, the mechanic isn't healthy. They have no willpower. Get used to it. Yes, welcome to America. I was a sick kid growing up. My epiglotis swelled shut, cut off my airway and I almost died. I had terrible allergies and got shots. I had stomach issues and had many colonoscopies early on. I wasn't happy with the answers I was getting so I looked, learned and applied. I am healthier now than I was when I was younger because I decided to look outside of the box so to speak. Couldn't help yourself with the old vaccine issue huh. You think that health is basically out of your hands and the responsibility of others. I find that pretty fucked up to coin a phrase. You have no clue what I do and your examples and analogies are pretty fruitless. You say tomato, I say tomato. Let's just call the whole thing off. It is you Will, isn't it? Why the name change?
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holdover
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April 4, 2020 New York City Fire Department Applauds Healthcare Workers in Show of Solidarity
Firefighters applauded health care workers and blared sirens from their trucks in New York on April 3 in a show of support for their emergency-response colleagues battling the COVID-19 outbreak in the city.
These videos show the department outside the Ronald O. Perelman Center for Emergency Services in New York City, and from the Richmond University Medical Center on Staten Island.
In addition to the citywide lockdown to prevent the spread of COVID-19, New York City officials have closed playgrounds and most businesses, and have extended a stay-at-home order until at least April 15. Credit: FDNY via Storyful
ca.news.yahoo.com
Why are these people not practicing social distancing? contaminated clothing , large groups some with no masks , fire fighters no masks .
WTF is going on here? I have to obey these sissy rules but they don't?
Central Park Still Crowded with People Despite Stay at Home and Social Distancing Orders in NYC
See article on: people.com
Eric Todisco
2 days ago
As New York remains the epicenter of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak in the United States, many residents are continuing to go out and about, despite the strict social distancing guidelines and a “Stay at Home” order in place to combat the virus’s spread.
Dozens of people were recently photographed walking
Dozens of people were recently photographed walking through Central Park, noticeably breaking the “six feet apart” rule recommended by health and government officials.
Many were also walking without a face mask, going against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control, which has now advised that all Americans wear non-medical, cloth face masks in public, after discovering that up to 50 percent of those carrying the virus show no symptoms and could be spreading it unknowingly.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio also mandated that all New Yorkers should be wearing masks if they go out.
www.bing.com
Firefighters applauded health care workers and blared sirens from their trucks in New York on April 3 in a show of support for their emergency-response colleagues battling the COVID-19 outbreak in the city.
These videos show the department outside the Ronald O. Perelman Center for Emergency Services in New York City, and from the Richmond University Medical Center on Staten Island.
In addition to the citywide lockdown to prevent the spread of COVID-19, New York City officials have closed playgrounds and most businesses, and have extended a stay-at-home order until at least April 15. Credit: FDNY via Storyful
New York City Fire Department Applauds Healthcare Workers in Show of Solidarity
Firefighters applauded health care workers and blared sirens from their trucks in New York on April 3 in a show of support for their emergency-response colleagues battling the COVID-19 outbreak in the city.These videos show the department outside the Ronald O. Perelman Center for Emergency...
Why are these people not practicing social distancing? contaminated clothing , large groups some with no masks , fire fighters no masks .
WTF is going on here? I have to obey these sissy rules but they don't?
Central Park Still Crowded with People Despite Stay at Home and Social Distancing Orders in NYC See article on: people.com
Eric Todisco
2 days ago
As New York remains the epicenter of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak in the United States, many residents are continuing to go out and about, despite the strict social distancing guidelines and a “Stay at Home” order in place to combat the virus’s spread.
Dozens of people were recently photographed walking
Dozens of people were recently photographed walking through Central Park, noticeably breaking the “six feet apart” rule recommended by health and government officials.
Many were also walking without a face mask, going against guidance from the Centers for Disease Control, which has now advised that all Americans wear non-medical, cloth face masks in public, after discovering that up to 50 percent of those carrying the virus show no symptoms and could be spreading it unknowingly.
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio also mandated that all New Yorkers should be wearing masks if they go out.
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Marine Cpl
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Regarding genetics, I personally know a family that suffers from all kinds of genetic deficiencies. Riley Day Syndrome, diabetes, all sorts of shit. As a person of Jewish ancestry, you should know that many people suffer from these diseases and no amount of exercise, diet, and meditation will make it go away once they manifest themselves. And to think the same to prevent manifestation is just false. To write these people off or say that it can all go away with a lifestyle change is wrong.
I mentioned the vaccinations because it’s true. Not a jab at you to get you but the truth. Give back to those that have given is always the right way to go.
My name change was due to a number of reasons. It was pointed out to me that a google search of it pulled up all kinds of things. Gun forums, dating websites when I did that back in the day, ect. So I changed it and my email. It is slowly getting buried now in google.
Dr. Evil
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I'm saying for the average person with lifestyle diseases they can change things if they want to. I also never said that there wasn't a limitation of matter genetics or not where too much damage is done to reverse things. Only roughly 5-10% of cancers are genetic. Again though, even if genetic that doesn't mean it is out of your hands. Sure there are some diseases where there is a limitation of matter where too much damage is done. There are also many who abuse themselves too long to also have the time to change things. If you are driving 100 mph and see a sign that the bridge is washed out 10 miles ahead you have time to stop. Travel 100 mph and see a sign that the bridge is washed out 50 feet ahead and you are going over. You can't blame the brakes though. They did their job. You just applied them too late. More so than not people have the ability to change the course of their health. Some choose though not to or choose to just settle with their situation. I can't tell you how many people I have worked with that were told they would just have to learn to live with it and then find that wasn't necessarily true. That is both sad a frustrating. You don't like my answers. You don't agree with my thought process. Understood.
I lost my mom at 64 to ovarian cancer. My oldest was 2 and my wife was pregnant with our second. My mom knew but never had the chance to meet him. Lost my dad 7 years ago to dementia. The last time I saw him he lunged at me with a knife. My mother in law at 69 to adrenal gland cancer 9 years ago missing out on milestones with my boys. We raised our kids differently than most. My wife and I try to lead by example. When they were old enough we discussed our lifestyle with them. I told them, "You know all of the things that we do with our exercise, food, supplements, structural work and functional medicine work? We don't only only do those things so we can live a better quality of life, we also do those things so you guys hopefully won't have to deal with the crap we are dealing with our parents with us. This is part of what drives me.
As far as vaccines I'm too tired to have this difference with you. You know where I stand and I obviously know where you stand so we are at a stand still. Nothing good will come out of it.
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meketrefe
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I agree, the lack of honesty is appalling. What are they trying to sell here?
Saying numbers w/o a model that is working is stupid.
Saying the worse is to come in the next two weeks is stupid. Define what the worse is first. Oh, you cant, nobody can.
Also not taking precautions because we do not have good stats is stupid.
Bottom line: nobody knows. We take the measures to give the doctors time to figure things out and avoid collapsing the system.
I read press from all over to see if I can make some sense of things since the D&C, NYT, WSJ are good for, you know, wrapping paper.
If we do a simple extrapolation from overseas stats. (Spain an Italy are doing a better job imo), even w/o predictions it is hard
to envision that the deaths and admissions will flatten by the 25th of April (that is their goal) but perhaps at that time will be
a more accurate reassessment. I have been blessed with being fluent in 4 languages so I go all over and read and explore.
**Facts Source from ElPais.es (ministry of health) update April 8th. 10:30 GMT
Muertos means deaths. Curados = Cured. Same latin root for that word.
I keep hearing estimates and the worse case will be the next 2 weeks but nobody explains why or how.
Very irresponsible behavior to start making statements like that white house, European presidents and everyone else other than
serous doctors and epidemiologists.
Since accurate models or data are not yet available lets just make a conjecture of what worse case could mean.
These is based on actuals from above.
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meketrefe
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The whitehouse (like many other politicians) have been all over the place.
WE talk to doctors all the time as we are trying to bring more quality data together for them so these questions come up all the time in the calls.
They look at their clinic charts. If the death is due to complications induced by the COVID-19, yes it will be attributed to the COVID.
Same if on person dies due to complications induced by the flu the death is attributed to the flu. In both cases the actual death could
have been cardiac arrest or kidney failure but you are talking about people who have been put in ventilators and were treated for those
diseases (covid or flu) with the same protocols no matter if the viral pneumonia killed them first.
Nobody killed in a car crash accident that tested positive for Covid is reported as covid death. Well, I guess that is possible but doctors are not
stupid and that would be a mistake of some sort.
holdover
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If you believe your going to get accurate numbers by skewing information the way they want . Have at it . They are cooking the books by admission the numbers are obviously going to be higher . I don't see how anyone can deny that. And I don't see how that is useful in recording raw data. Can you tell me the benefits of doing it?
No the doctors are not stupid, but they have to follow hospital policy mandated by the government . The doctor really has no say in it. If these are the guidelines set down he has to obey them , or possibly lose his job .
Video above:
MN Sen & Dr.
@drscottjensen
No the doctors are not stupid, but they have to follow hospital policy mandated by the government . The doctor really has no say in it. If these are the guidelines set down he has to obey them , or possibly lose his job .
Video above:
MN Sen & Dr.
@drscottjensen
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Acer-m14
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just like they skew the numbers of gun related deaths to get there gun control agenda ramp'ed up ..
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Marine Cpl
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Either you keep posting the same thing over and over or you don’t read other people’s posts. This particular video has been posted numerous times.
You are beating a dead horse. Yes number are being skewed. But make no mistake, people are dying from this. And it isn’t just the frail and weak like some of you kooks are alluding to.
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Nobody is cooking any books. This is not money loundry or a movie. Doctors have to sign the death certificate that it is processed with all other papers and making false reports is unethical and illegal. There are several data collection methods and the best ones are not from goverment and not in the US in the first place.
Of course there will be errorrs but nobody is cooking anything. The politicians can use a couple of errors to justify their next move and investigative journalism doesnt seem to exist anymore, only sendationalism.
we work directly with hospitals and universities.
The data is not ready to provide predictions one way or another. Any data has to come with huge warnings because the variables are not yet all controlled and leaders have been doing a horrible job at being honest and work in early intervention. Many doctors have been asking for a better system for 20 years. This caught everyone with the pants down. At the moment the covid still is a huge open sandbox.
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Extrange there is no mention about helping doctors and nurses and each other fight this. Forget about politics. Fuck that right now.
holdover
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#1 You may not be the only person reading the thread.
#2 nobody ever said people are not dying, I dont know why you insist on putting words in my mouth or making false accusations.
#3 provide evidence of your claims.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Patients in their 50s had a death rate that was three times higher than the death rate for patients in their 40s.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Coronavirus patients in their 50s are about three times more likely to die than patients in their 40s.
www.businessinsider.com
Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues
Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues (Published 2020)
As China released details about the first 17 people who have died in the outbreak, a well-known SARS expert raised an alarm about the virus’s spread, saying he felt “powerless.”
The elderly and the unwell are more likely to die, if they contract coronavirus.
Current estimates from Imperial College London are that the death rate is almost 10 times higher than average for those over 80, and much lower for those under 40.
The UK government's chief medical advisor, Professor Chris Whitty, says even though the rates are higher for older people, "the great majority of older people will have a mild or moderate disease".
He also warns that we should not think it's a trivial infection for younger people, pointing out that there are some young people who have ended up in intensive care.
It's not just age that determines the risk of infections.
In the first big analysis of more than 44,000 cases from China, deaths were at least five times more common among confirmed cases with diabetes, high blood pressure or heart or breathing problems.
All of these factors interact with each other and we don't yet have a complete picture of the risk for every type of person in every location.
And even though patterns in the death rates among confirmed cases can tell us who is most at risk, they can't tell us about the precise risk in any single group.
Coronavirus death rate: What are the chances of dying?
The current best guess of a 1% death rate does not apply to everyone.
www.bbc.com
Researchers on Monday announced the most comprehensive estimates to date of elderly people’s elevated risk of serious illness and death from the new coronavirus: Covid-19 kills an estimated 13.4% of patients 80 and older, compared to 1.25% of those in their 50s and 0.3% of those in their 40s.
The sharpest divide came at age 70. Although 4% of patients in their 60s died, more than twice that, or 8.6%, of those in their 70s did, Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London and his colleagues estimated in their paper, published in Lancet Infectious Diseases.
What explains Covid-19's lethality for the elderly? - STAT
Please stop making false accusations .
holdover
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Your in denial of the facts . They came right out and said it. You explain to me how doing that is beneficial to the data records?
meketrefe
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A press statement is not a fact, 2 complete different things.
The US government doesn't own the data. The US is not the only country with data about this virus.
We go with what the doctors, hospitals and universities data not what the government reports.
The government and all politicians have been wrong about this virus from the beginning.
Because of their failures people don't have much trust on anything they say.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What evidence do you want me to provide? If I recall correctly, it is you providing information from blogs. Like I said, get in your car and drive down here. Go to a hospital in Brooklyn. Prove us all wrong. Show us how bad this hoax really is.#1 You may not be the only person reading the thread.
#2 nobody ever said people are not dying, I dont know why you insist on putting words in my mouth or making false accusations.
#3 provide evidence of your claims.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Patients in their 50s had a death rate that was three times higher than the death rate for patients in their 40s.
Coronavirus patients over age 80 have a death rate of 15%. Here's the death rate for every age bracket.
Coronavirus patients in their 50s are about three times more likely to die than patients in their 40s.
Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues
Coronavirus Deaths Are So Far Mostly Older Men, Many With Previous Health Issues (Published 2020)
As China released details about the first 17 people who have died in the outbreak, a well-known SARS expert raised an alarm about the virus’s spread, saying he felt “powerless.”www.nytimes.com
What are the risks for people like me?
The elderly and the unwell are more likely to die, if they contract coronavirus.
Current estimates from Imperial College London are that the death rate is almost 10 times higher than average for those over 80, and much lower for those under 40.
The UK government's chief medical advisor, Professor Chris Whitty, says even though the rates are higher for older people, "the great majority of older people will have a mild or moderate disease".
He also warns that we should not think it's a trivial infection for younger people, pointing out that there are some young people who have ended up in intensive care.
It's not just age that determines the risk of infections.
In the first big analysis of more than 44,000 cases from China, deaths were at least five times more common among confirmed cases with diabetes, high blood pressure or heart or breathing problems.
All of these factors interact with each other and we don't yet have a complete picture of the risk for every type of person in every location.
And even though patterns in the death rates among confirmed cases can tell us who is most at risk, they can't tell us about the precise risk in any single group.
Coronavirus death rate: What are the chances of dying?
The current best guess of a 1% death rate does not apply to everyone.
Researchers on Monday announced the most comprehensive estimates to date of elderly people’s elevated risk of serious illness and death from the new coronavirus: Covid-19 kills an estimated 13.4% of patients 80 and older, compared to 1.25% of those in their 50s and 0.3% of those in their 40s.
The sharpest divide came at age 70. Although 4% of patients in their 60s died, more than twice that, or 8.6%, of those in their 70s did, Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London and his colleagues estimated in their paper, published in Lancet Infectious Diseases.
What explains Covid-19's lethality for the elderly? - STAT
Please stop making false accusations .
spat
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I have no doubt that some hospitals in the hot zones are very busy. The people working there are no doubt working their asses off, and we all owe them a debt.
But, I haven't seen even a suggestion that significant numbers of people are dying from a lack of medical attention caused by an overwhelmed system.
I have seen several reports from the people with the best data available that we are at or near the peak of this in those areas.
That says that we do not need anything more (and we can certainly eliminate the more useless measures)
Dr. Evil
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WATCH: Police Raid Church's Drive-In Service, Issue $500 Tickets to Entire Congregation - Todd Starnes
Police in Greenville, Mississippi raided the parking lot of Temple Baptist Church during a drive-in prayer service and issued $500 […]
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Church leaders decided to rig up a radio frequency where congregants could sit in their cars and listen as the pastor delivered the message from the pulpit. In other words, the church was in compliance with social distancing rules.
holdover
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The press statement was factual in the sense that relayed their intentions and plans to the public.
""We go with what the doctors, hospitals and universities data not what the government reports."""
Yes, That's exactly the way it is supposed to work . But its not. government interference in the process is whats happening here. They dictate to doctors through hospital administration about changes the government is making . The doctors arnt lying, they have to follow procedures laid out by the hospital and government .
I agree 100% We should let doctors do what doctors do, there's no need for government involvement in recording the deaths . NONE ZERO. let the data stand on its own merit. Not swayed by politicians .
holdover
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You stated that it wasn't just the frail and weak that are dying from this.
I gave you several references (not blogs) to dispute what you have said .
Im asking you to post the references that back up your claim that its affecting everyone equally .
If I make a statement that I think someone might question, I post a reference or two to a reliable source so people know I didn't just make it up or misinterpret it . So even if they disagree at least they know Im not talking out of my ass.
holdover
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WATCH: Police Raid Church's Drive-In Service, Issue $500 Tickets to Entire Congregation - Todd Starnes
Police in Greenville, Mississippi raided the parking lot of Temple Baptist Church during a drive-in prayer service and issued $500 […]
Church leaders decided to rig up a radio frequency where congregants could sit in their cars and listen as the pastor delivered the message from the pulpit. In other words, the church was in compliance with social distancing rules.
lol ,Good ol American ingenuity.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You want proof? You want me to go to hospitals and steal medical records? If I had access to my coworkers medical records that died, would that be proof to you? Not all of them were frail and weak. All those nurses, doctors, ect are all the frail and weak too.
I have no words. Go along believing that only the frail and weak are succumbing to this. This is beyond a joke. At least your obsession with this is giving you something to do.
Keep watching your videos or go out and find out for yourself since your obsession is to try to convince us that this is nothing to worry about.
I know a few people 50 and under who have died. My mother has implored me over and over not to be cocky because she's had some patients in perfect health around my age who've died.
Marine Cpl
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You are going to have to show Holdover proof.