dwa12479
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Itll all go the way of the ammo database. Never gonna happen for real, just another feel good useless law on the books.
NYS bill heads to cuomo’s desk for all cars sold in NYS to be electric by 2035
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MothMan
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Ooooo! What a Gem!!
MothMan
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1 in 5 Electric Vehicle Owners in California Switched Back to Gas-Powered Cars Because Charging Their EV is a Hassle | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
One in five electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas-powered because of the inconvenience of charging.
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1 in 5 Electric Vehicle Owners in California Switched Back to Gas-Powered Cars Because Charging Their EV is a Hassle | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila
One in five electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas-powered because of the inconvenience of charging.
I hate when articles make shit up, especially when the actual facts are in their favor to support their position...
It only takes a few minutes to fill up a gas tank, yet some electric vehicles need several hours of charging to drive 35 miles.
No. Just no. I don't know of any electric vehicles that take several hours to add 35 miles of charge by way of design. If you charge them on 15A of 120v, yeah it's going to take forever, but that's not a limitation of the car and its charging system... that just means you don't have a stage 2 charger. I mentioned that charger here: NYS bill heads to cuomo’s desk for all cars sold in NYS to be electric by 2035 . I wouldn't say My F150 can't tow 1000 lbs, when the reason it can't tow those 1000 lbs is because I don't own a trailer... Me missing required hardware isn't a shortcoming of the vehicle design.The article later on alludes to that (Of those who switched, over 70% lacked access to Level 2 charging at home, and slightly fewer than that lacked Level 2 connections at their workplace.) , but their claim that the cars NEED several hours is just flat out unquestionably false.
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repete
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That's gotta be the best comparison! But then again it is a Ford...
Saltwater60
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I get your point but the issue is that many can’t afford to do the panel upgrade and add the charging station.
My dad just redid and installed a new electrical service panel at my sisters house. I said what did you install. 100 amps he said. I said bad move 200 amp for sure with ev’s coming. He Brought up how my sister in law used to charge her volt with an extension cord. I just laughed. That’s what the article is referring to. The volt only gets about 50 miles on battery alone.
Jmac00
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what, exactly are you on? I mean I know they made Pot legal, but this comment boarders a delusional psychosis, You must be on some serious shit.
The volt isn't really an electric car in the sense as true electric cars, it's more of a gas-electric hybrid. When people talk about electric cars they're generally talking about EV only, not a hybrid or car with a gas engine.
If you can swing 40K for a new electric car, but can't afford $300 for the proper charger, that's sort of on you for bad financial planning. They're cheap now, they don't cost $3000 like they used to.
LECTRON 240-Volt 32 Amp Level 2 EV Charger with 21 ft Extension Cord J1772 Cable and NEMA 14-50 Plug Electric Vehicle Charger EVCharge14-50-32A - The Home Depot
Electric Vehicles (EVs) are the future. We applaud you for being ahead of the pack by making a wise, pioneering investment. The Lectron EV Charger can make EV use way easier by supplementing your factory-issued
www.homedepot.com
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
The volt isn't really an electric car in the sense as true electric cars, it's more of a gas-electric hybrid. When people talk about electric cars they're generally talking about EV only, not a hybrid or car with a gas engine.
If you can swing 40K for a new electric car, but can't afford $300 for the proper charger, that's sort of on you for bad financial planning. They're cheap now, they don't cost $3000 like they used to.
LECTRON 240-Volt 32 Amp Level 2 EV Charger with 21 ft Extension Cord J1772 Cable and NEMA 14-50 Plug Electric Vehicle Charger EVCharge14-50-32A - The Home Depot
Electric Vehicles (EVs) are the future. We applaud you for being ahead of the pack by making a wise, pioneering investment. The Lectron EV Charger can make EV use way easier by supplementing your factory-issuedwww.homedepot.com
now what is the cost to upgrade your panel box because there no room for a extra 220 breaker to run the wires to the plug for the 300 dollar charger ??
PS ... remember to follow code ..
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Cheaper than upgrading to a 200a service if you only have 100a lol. IIRC it's a couple grand anyway, if you hire it out to meet code. That's just the panel upgrade.
I'm stuck at 100a. Which is fine, my diesel don't need it.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
and then the Electrician says your amped out .. need a 200 or even go 400 amp service because you have a sauna and 2 hot tubs already .. u know them rich folks .. 
Blimey
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I had a Nissan leaf in 2012 and for the 18 months I had it I charged only at 120. It’s brutally slow but doable. I have a leaf now and a plug in hybrid. The charger I got was $400 and capable of 9.6kWh (40 amps). I already had a 50 amp circuit run but otherwise you could be out a grand having an electrician run it.
I am one of the ones in that article: had an EV then dropped it for gas, but came back years later now that range is better.
A lot of people who are opposed to EV will not need to be forced into them but will be more open to them over time and adopt them willingly. Except On road trips home charging isn’t more convenient than buying gas. And cheaper, and the cars simply drive better.
I am one of the ones in that article: had an EV then dropped it for gas, but came back years later now that range is better.
A lot of people who are opposed to EV will not need to be forced into them but will be more open to them over time and adopt them willingly. Except On road trips home charging isn’t more convenient than buying gas. And cheaper, and the cars simply drive better.
No, it's not "unquestionably false". It's a caveat that, in certain conditions, the car requires more time to charge.
You're twisting things just as badly as you claim the article is.
In addition to homes that cannot afford, or even acquire, the necessary panel upgrades to handle a 34A circuit, you also have the problem of lack of supporting systems across the Country.
I haven't seen a single Stage-2 charging station at any of the Thruway rest stops, nor at any service station in any major city I've been to. so how are these people supposed to recharge their car if they're not at home or at their place of work?
EVs are an interesting concept, and I would love to test drive the new Jeep Wrangler EV (though I do believe they missed the mark by using a single motor through the drivetrain instead of individual motors at each wheel).
Jsmegs77
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I went electric (mostly, it’s a BMW i3 with range extender) because I needed to replace my old car and for my usage pattern it fit and it’s cheaper than gas at current nyseg rates. A lot cheaper. Also on a bit of a car nerd note, it’s a rear engine carbon fiber bodied go kart and is a hoot to drive.
Still shopping chargers, the stock 120v does the job but I’ve got a 40 amp 240v line unused from a dryer hookup (house has gas dryer) so there’s no reason not to upgrade.
I don’t have a problem with electric cars at all, but forcing them on the market in the name of some greater good is a crock of shit. All these bastards pushing it must own stock in EV companies and infrastructure. Follow the money.
Still shopping chargers, the stock 120v does the job but I’ve got a 40 amp 240v line unused from a dryer hookup (house has gas dryer) so there’s no reason not to upgrade.
I don’t have a problem with electric cars at all, but forcing them on the market in the name of some greater good is a crock of shit. All these bastards pushing it must own stock in EV companies and infrastructure. Follow the money.
Saltwater60
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The volt isn't really an electric car in the sense as true electric cars, it's more of a gas-electric hybrid. When people talk about electric cars they're generally talking about EV only, not a hybrid or car with a gas engine.
If you can swing 40K for a new electric car, but can't afford $300 for the proper charger, that's sort of on you for bad financial planning. They're cheap now, they don't cost $3000 like they used to.
LECTRON 240-Volt 32 Amp Level 2 EV Charger with 21 ft Extension Cord J1772 Cable and NEMA 14-50 Plug Electric Vehicle Charger EVCharge14-50-32A - The Home Depot
Electric Vehicles (EVs) are the future. We applaud you for being ahead of the pack by making a wise, pioneering investment. The Lectron EV Charger can make EV use way easier by supplementing your factory-issuedwww.homedepot.com
Did you miss the part where many may need other electrical work to accomplish this? There are still many homes in my area that were built long ago that have 60 amp electrical panels. So $300 is all well and good but now you may need to get a new panel and how many have 240 30 amp outlets? I do but they aren’t where my cars are parked.The volt isn't really an electric car in the sense as true electric cars, it's more of a gas-electric hybrid. When people talk about electric cars they're generally talking about EV only, not a hybrid or car with a gas engine.
If you can swing 40K for a new electric car, but can't afford $300 for the proper charger, that's sort of on you for bad financial planning. They're cheap now, they don't cost $3000 like they used to.
LECTRON 240-Volt 32 Amp Level 2 EV Charger with 21 ft Extension Cord J1772 Cable and NEMA 14-50 Plug Electric Vehicle Charger EVCharge14-50-32A - The Home Depot
Electric Vehicles (EVs) are the future. We applaud you for being ahead of the pack by making a wise, pioneering investment. The Lectron EV Charger can make EV use way easier by supplementing your factory-issuedwww.homedepot.com
How many of these plugs will get stolen over and over again?
Saltwater60
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Not being a jerk but I will never chose an EV. I’m dead set against them for a lot of reasons.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
No one ever said how much it costs to charge the car. And how many miles to the charge. like to see a break down of that
Cavalry
.308 Win
It depends on the vehicle and how much you electric is.
This page has a chart with kWh /100 miles as well as range when new under perfect conditions for various EV. Find out how much your kWh is on your power bill and do the math to see the cost of fuel.
Blimey
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All I ask is that if you ever have the opportunity to drive a fast EV you take it: tesla, the new EV "mustang", etc. I think it will really soften your stance on them. I have a van I don't drive much, so maybe a tank a month. Our ev is obviously taking no gas. The other car I'm getting 800 miles to a tank, so every 800 miles putting in another 14 gallons or so. It has a sub-5 second 0-60 and it's currently showing 58 MPG with just over 2000 miles. Outside of EV it's impossible to have a fast car without it also being a piggish gas guzzler.
drowhawk
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If you are trying to make the argument that a fast charger can pump the same amount of BTU's (or even close) into an EV battery in 20 minutes that a gas pump can provide in less than 90 seconds, you need a new calculator.
Not even remotely comparable right now. Not even on the same planet. Not to mention, the push for "renewables" in NY can be easily translated to "more NG power plants." With Indian Point shut down, our CO2 output will be even higher from the grid despite new solar and wind farms.
Like I said, your argument (and everyone else's on the side of EV) falls apart as soon as you break out the calculators.
Read my whole post, that's not what I'm saying, or I guess I can just repeat it...
No primarily electric vehicles NEED several hours to charge to go 35 miles as claimed in the article. Need implies absolutism, when that's pretty far from the truth. The huge bulk of electric cars accept 30+ amps of 220v. If you try to charge an electric car on 15 amps of 110v its going to take a long time, but that's not a fault of the car, that's just the consumer doing it wrong. It's akin to someone complaining it takes too long to fill up their gas tank when they're using a hand powered transfer pump and 5 gallon cans. There are readily available and cheap methods to pump gas in your car way faster. The same goes with electric cars - if you are dropping 40K+ on an electric car, the buyer should be able to afford $300 for a proper charger, and it should be pretty obvious they need one, I mean they just bought an all electric car. Makes me think of the old GM hotline skit:
HELPLINE: "General Motors Helpline, how can I help you?"
CUSTOMER: "My car ran fine for a week, and now it won't go anywhere!"
HELPLINE: "Is the gas tank empty?"
CUSTOMER: "Huh? How do I know?"
HELPLINE: "There's a little gauge on the front panel, with a needle, and markings from 'E' to 'F.' Where is the needle pointing?"
CUSTOMER: "It's pointing to 'E.' What does that mean?"
HELPLINE: "It means that you have to visit a gasoline station and purchase some more gasoline. You can pump it yourself, or pay the vendor to pump it for you."
CUSTOMER: "What!? I paid $28,000 for this car! Now you tell me that I have to keep buying more components? I just want a car that comes with everything built in!"
My position is that the article makes stupid exaggerated claims to argue their position. There are *LOTS* of valid reasons electric cars aren't ready or good for mass use. Claiming electric cars need several hours for 35 miles of range when they don't isn't one of them.
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Toecutter
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Like all laws in NY they dont think these things through just ram them into law and let the chips fall.
drowhawk
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That specific argument, yes I agree. You are correct. The major difference here though is if I fill my gas tank over and over and over again, there is no wear and tear on the vehicle. Fast charging and deep cycling ANY battery increases wear and shortens the life. We haven't gotten past that problem yet.
Saltwater60
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Oh I know that. I know they have great performance. I find it hilarious that they are calling a small suv a mustang just to sell it more.
Honestly I just hate what they stand for. I hate that liberals are pushing them to save Mother Earth, I hate that they are forcing them on me, I hate the way most of them look, most are too small for what I need, I don’t like the interiors on them. I hate that I will have to upgrade my electrical panel and dump thousands into my house to buy a new car. If they are so great why is the government paying you to take them?
I totally understand what you’re saying and they work for some. My wife could probably get one and it would be fine. I drive a truck and regularly haul stuff including a 4,000 lbs camper and gear probably totaling 5,500 lbs. funny how they give a range and towing capacity but never tell you the range of that towing capacity. I’ll bet it’s around 100-150 miles at best in my situation. That’s just not even close to good enough.
Watch how many more people get killed when we all go to EV’s and there is no engine noise.
Yeah, any vehicle's range goes down when you increase the loaded weight, it's just physics. But you are right, they don't share that data, and there is a reason why. It's not pretty. If you're towing, you absolutely don't want an electric vehicle, at least not today.
They addressed that issue by having the cars make artificial noise.
At speeds above 18.6 mph, both gasoline and electric cars generate noise from wind resistance and tires. But below that threshold, electric vehicles are often silent, which is why the new U.S. regulations require these cars to emit sounds of different frequencies while traveling at speeds up to that limit.
Vapor
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To me it comes down to art.
I like hearing the valve train, feeling the difference in rpms, and that low rumble or frantic scream.
To most though, I realize a car is just an appliance. Its a choice just like a washing machine, alexa, or refrigerator to them. The more data and spying it gives big tech and the government in the name of convience for the consumer the better.
Almost 70% of men i know don't know what the tach means, how to change a tire, or that cars used to have guages instead of idiot lights. Never mind the ability to drive a multi speed manual transmission or a truck with a multi speed transfer case.
Why else would toyota sell so many uncomfortable, soulless, suvs and cars?
I like hearing the valve train, feeling the difference in rpms, and that low rumble or frantic scream.
To most though, I realize a car is just an appliance. Its a choice just like a washing machine, alexa, or refrigerator to them. The more data and spying it gives big tech and the government in the name of convience for the consumer the better.
Almost 70% of men i know don't know what the tach means, how to change a tire, or that cars used to have guages instead of idiot lights. Never mind the ability to drive a multi speed manual transmission or a truck with a multi speed transfer case.
Why else would toyota sell so many uncomfortable, soulless, suvs and cars?
So one of the major draws to buying an EV is canceled because they will mandate it "has to make noise" when moving.
This, from the same idiots that complain about loud pipes.
SMH
Jsmegs77
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My i3 has an electric motor spooling sound on accel and decel, that is quite distinctive and definitely not silent. The kids call it the tie fighter. Even so, it’s super quiet inside.
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