That will certainly help the economy.
NYS could raise minimum wage to $20/hour
- Thread starter Saltwater60
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Did the staff agree to the job with the wage presented at signing?
Chris1389
.45 acp
Of course. When you need money you gotta take whats there. Its more money then sitting home.
Chris1389
.45 acp
So either become a surgeon or live pay check to pay check. Got it
What prevents her from attending the required college education to become said eye surgeon?
Or, learn more skills and find a higher paying job elsewhere.
I was not happy with my paycheck at my previous job. I liked what I did, just not the paycheck. I sought better employment, now, I make a ton more than I was.
It is my responsibility to care for my family and my future. Not my employer.
No that is exactly the point. The more skills it takes to complete a job the less people can do it. Then when you apply the principle of supply and demand you get the price of the labor.
@Chris1389. There is mostly 4 things that separates people from higher wages.
Effort, focus, drive and determination.
You choose which path you walk in life. Noone forces you in any direction to accept any task. That's freedom. Apply the above 4 to any scenario and higher wages will follow. It may not be in your field of choice, but that is the trade made for money.
I am a bench carpenter and cabinet maker. There is a ceiling to that trade. The market sets the price, people operating in a field do not. I realize and accept it as I've made a choice in life to do what I enjoy and let money fall as it may.
The choices above set the stage, it's your responsibility to negotiate it's value to anyone else, be it client or employer. It's also your choice to accept it's value in the marketplace or move on to another job, another employer or another field.
Effort, focus, drive and determination.
You choose which path you walk in life. Noone forces you in any direction to accept any task. That's freedom. Apply the above 4 to any scenario and higher wages will follow. It may not be in your field of choice, but that is the trade made for money.
I am a bench carpenter and cabinet maker. There is a ceiling to that trade. The market sets the price, people operating in a field do not. I realize and accept it as I've made a choice in life to do what I enjoy and let money fall as it may.
The choices above set the stage, it's your responsibility to negotiate it's value to anyone else, be it client or employer. It's also your choice to accept it's value in the marketplace or move on to another job, another employer or another field.
byron
.308 Win
when I was born minimum wage was .40
byron
.308 Win
when I was born minimum wage was .40
So they agreed to the terms of employment, and now are not content with what they agreed to?
That sounds like an employee problem.
I'm not a surgeon and I don't make minimum wage.
Why is that? If the evil corporations will only pay the minimum required, and as such we need a minimum wage, why am I being paid more than the minimum wage?
Modean
.223 Rem
Don't think you make enough? Find a job that pays you what you want. Can't find a job that pays what you want? Your skillset isn't worth what you want. Be open to acquiring new skills, possibly at your own expense. Or open your own business and discover how much of the "millions" you take in you actually get to keep as personal income.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Kevin O' Leary "I don’t put companies here in New York anymore or in Massachusetts or New Jersey or California. Those states are uninvestable. The policy here is insane. The taxes are too high. We put them in Fargo, North Dakota, because 40% of the people work elsewhere, including Boston."
He described a debate he had had with socialist-leaning Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., claiming, "I say, ‘Look, senator, we’ve got to move the companies out of your state because you are not investable anymore. You are punishing people if they are successful, you overtax them, you hit them with a super tax. New Jersey, what a mess! New York, uninvestable."
He described a debate he had had with socialist-leaning Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., claiming, "I say, ‘Look, senator, we’ve got to move the companies out of your state because you are not investable anymore. You are punishing people if they are successful, you overtax them, you hit them with a super tax. New Jersey, what a mess! New York, uninvestable."
What about a nurse, CPA, computer programmer, or business owner? Plenty of professions in between.
But don't get me wrong, even if my wife is wrong I defend her to death in public.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
LoL, the doctor's job can't be done with a small amount of training.
It takes a massive amount of training to do that job, typically a decade or so.
On top of that, the vast majority of people couldn't do that job with any amount of training.
Cavalry
.308 Win
Get a skill that has value, get paid for that skill.
If someone can walk in off the street and be trained for your job in days, weeks or even months you do not have a job that requires a skill.
There is not only a severe lack of skilled labor out there but a severe lack of work ethic and way too much entitlement. Work hard, work more, get skills, improve those skills, dont be a shitbag, dont make bad decisions, and you can literally go anywhere.
If someone can walk in off the street and be trained for your job in days, weeks or even months you do not have a job that requires a skill.
There is not only a severe lack of skilled labor out there but a severe lack of work ethic and way too much entitlement. Work hard, work more, get skills, improve those skills, dont be a shitbag, dont make bad decisions, and you can literally go anywhere.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Because you aren't going to pay extra for ammo just because the guy who boxes it's rent went up.
Why should Amazon pay more for that labor than it's worth just because some of the people doing it have expensive apartments?
What all the "living wage" people don't get is that labor is just a product. Just like ammo or bubblegum.
The employee is selling labor, the employer is buying it. Why should the employer pay any more for it than necessary ?
The "cost of living" is just the overhead of the business that is selling labor (the employee in this case)
Are you in the habit if playing extra for products just because one seller's overhead went up ?
If the price of Winchester white box went up by $3/box because the rent on their factory went up, you're not going to keep buying it unless UMC and everyone else got hit the same way.
Let's put an interesting twist on this scenario. Let's say I'm of the ilk that truly wants my employer to cover my cost of living regardless of what that would be ( forget about the market and supply and demand for the sake if argument)
What would bar me from living like a millionaire if my employer covered all costs associated with it? The ultimate grift of an employer. It eliminates drive and motivation to achieve. It's entirely unsustainable.
Totally agree, with some stipulations. The market sets the value of that position, within a range that will not be exceeded based upon available labor in a specific geographic region, regardless of skill attained or years of experience. Ex- with 10+years experience in my field as a journeyman that range in Rochester is vastly different than NYC or Souix City Iowa, with generally accepted maximums. TLDR- 2-3x wages in NYC vs the later. Basically, without striking out on my own I will receive a maximum wage based upon market conditions and could not expect much more.
I would argue things are even more the opposite of what the forced minimum people want.
I just got my 4 year degree as it was required for my promotion. That feeds the "free college, everyone is entitled to a degree" machine. Ok.
The amount of knowledge gained in the degree program that is useful to my career is 0. The skills I have learned actually interacting with people are invaluable.
So we are incentiveising "higher education" failure and then in turn, when you gained no skills playing that game ww are incentiveising the forced payment on the other end for the skillless turnouts.
It's like we can't take money fast enough away from the skilled to give to the failures.
I just got my 4 year degree as it was required for my promotion. That feeds the "free college, everyone is entitled to a degree" machine. Ok.
The amount of knowledge gained in the degree program that is useful to my career is 0. The skills I have learned actually interacting with people are invaluable.
So we are incentiveising "higher education" failure and then in turn, when you gained no skills playing that game ww are incentiveising the forced payment on the other end for the skillless turnouts.
It's like we can't take money fast enough away from the skilled to give to the failures.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Most doctors don’t make millions. In addition without the doctor your wife wouldn’t need to manage the office. I think $23/hour for an office manager of a small office isn’t a bad wage outside of NYC.
Many jobs need more than a bit of training to The doctor is taking all the risks, pays the bills, buys the equipment, pays the rent and malpractice insurance. Many doctors have crazy expensive student loans that they have to pay back as well. My physical therapist was paying $1,800/ month for his loans.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
That is definitely the goal. Destroy small business so only the mega corporations can make money and keep donating to their political cronies.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
You have no idea do you? When I first started minimum wage was $4.75/hour. In my area for years and years most jobs without training or a degree we’re paying minimum wage. I started at one of those jobs when I was 17 and quickly got a raise. With in a year or so I was promoted to a manager the day I graduated high school and I was making $9.50/hour and that was double minimum wage. At 19 I bought a $10,000-$11,000 car and had my first car loan and I paid cash for a $3,500 jet ski. A few years later I paid for half my wedding in cash and didn’t even have a credit card until I was married. I paid for everything, college, car, insurance, gas, food, clothes. I was working 55 hours a week and going to college. I always had 2-3 jobs and I made way more money than anyone I knew because I busted my ass. In high school 11 th and 12 the grade I had three jobs and took not a single day off for those two years.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Exactly.
Does the Starbucks in Beverly Hills need to pay their baristas enough for them to live in multimillion dollar mansions ?
Should they make more than a heart surgeon in Iowa who has a 50 acre ranch that costs $500k
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
WTF, stop fucking around and go straight to $150/hr ~~~~ one caveat, you can only work one hour a week 
and then the state will take 40% in taxes
and then the state will take 40% in taxes
While I generally understand most if your statement above, I'm confused by the last sentence. Are you specifically speaking in regards to those who have a college degree VS those who do not or just generally those just starting working lacking skills VS those with experience?
Clarity would be honestly appreciated.
PS- i agree that people or otherwise called " soft" skills are in many ways more valuable than knowledge of a task. Interaction with others is far more valuable and transferable across different fields of work and life than task based talents.
Ps- the average wage for a cardiologist fellow in Rochester is around 500k annually. I know this for a fact. Subtract malpractice insurance, the cost of a practice if private, office space, staff, the education associated with it and you will find actually how little they make as compared to gross income. I'm not inferring it's a pittance, but the room for errors in that profession are miniscule whilst weighing thier objective compensation for thier time.
In a real sense what is currently happening is that those with actual skills are having their money robbed from them and given to those without any real skills.