NYS could raise minimum wage to $20/hour

spat · Mar 11, 2023

Minimum wage isn't so much about "you must pay everyone at least this much" as it is "if you can't do at least this much work in an hour you can't have a job".

I guess if your goal is to increase the number of unemployed people, then this is a great plan.

Chris1389 · Mar 11, 2023

With inflation, sky high rent and interest rates, $20 an hour is the new $10.50 per hour. Home depot an walmart are paying over that anyway.

Darth · Mar 11, 2023

spat said:
Minimum wage isn't so much about "you must pay everyone at least this much" as it is "if you can't do at least this much work in an hour you can't have a job".

I guess if your goal is to increase the number of unemployed people, then this is a great plan.

I like your first paragraph.

Until the state goes full rent moratorium and tells employers they can't fire employees at will.

MikeM · Mar 11, 2023

Many union job pay rates are tied to a multiple of the minimum wage. Explains why so many are in favour or raising it.

speerchucker · Mar 11, 2023

Wow you blokes are even way behind Australia for a change first time I've been able to say that without laughing we've got wages way higher than that it's why my country its why we are so f***** up we also had this you cannot sack a worker without good reason didn't that 1 cause a lot of unemployment because nobody was game enough to employ anybody because they're worried about the unfair dismissal laws.
I've always said everything going on in Australia 20 years ago was a testbed for the states looks like I was bloody right only got to look at all these new crazy and insane gun laws you blokes are facing and it's been standard procedure here for more than 30 bloody years

spat · Mar 11, 2023

Darth said:
I like your first paragraph.

Until the state goes full rent moratorium and tells employers they can't fire employees at will.

It's impossible to force a business to operate at a loss long term.

If your goal is to put them out of business then take over, then *that* is an excellent plan.

Murder all the private businesses, declare capitalism has failed, then declare that you speak for "the people" and achieve your totalitarian goal.

It's a very workable plan, and it's doing very well for them.

The only flaw is that a lot of the people who think they will be in charge, will find out quickly that they are the most dangerous and will find themselves edited out of a lot of picture and articles.

99cummins · Mar 11, 2023

Saltwater60 said:
I won’t go into all the reason why this will be a huge failure because you guys are smart enough to know.

New York State Minimum Wage May Go Up To $20 An Hour

Minimum wage workers in New York State could potentially see a significant raise in their hourly rate.

wyrk.com

Cough…NYSDOT…cough…thruway authority…

Justincase · Mar 11, 2023

I’d love to get paid $20/hour to have my face buried in my phone while “working”

speerchucker · Mar 11, 2023

Saltwater60 said:
No private businesses no independence. Sounds like what they want.

Absolutebloodylutely that is exactly what they want

Justincase said:
I’d love to get paid $20/hour to have my face buried in my phone while “working”

Personally I couldn't think of anything worse and having my face buried in my telephone ID rather be doing something constructive

tirwin1 · Mar 11, 2023

What is with this half-hearted, incremental, chicken shit nonsense? Just make the minimum wage $480 an hour and be done with it. That way everyone becomes a millionaire! Jesus Christ politicians are so stupid. We're going to get there sooner or later so let's be done with it!

Chris1389 · Mar 11, 2023

Saltwater60 said:
That’s their choice though and many others are not paying that or even close.
Funny the state thinks that should be minimum wage but my son works a SUNY college job and he’s paid $14.20/hour so if NYS z thinks the minimum wage is too low they should put their money where their mouth is and pay my son more? Do I think he’s worth more hell no but they can’t have it both ways.
Also Homedepot does not say it’s paying $20/hour. Walmart says up to $19.50/hour but we all know how that works out.

As Walmart, Home Depot raise wages, analyst calls it 'no brainer' for long-term value

Big box retailers — and big-time employers — in the U.S. recently announced plans to increase minimum wages.

finance.yahoo.com

Funny thing is my dad retired and worked as a part time school resource officer carrying a gun and it was $21/hour. Seems the government cares about everyone’s pay except those they pay.

Well as long as their is a min wage its should keep up with cost of living. Here in Westchester a 1bedroom apartment in most places starts at $1800 a month. Even $20 an hour you cant live.
and yes my friend works at home depot an makes $22 per hour. In westchester that is. Might be different upstate.
To me its insane that a company like Amazon which is worth over 960 billion dollars pays delivery drivers $18 per hour. The company is worth more then entire county's.

Modean · Mar 11, 2023

No one in NY gooberment appear to be familiar with the concept of a wage/price spiral.

dwa12479 · Mar 11, 2023

Chris1389 said:
Well as long as their is a min wage its should keep up with cost of living. Here in Westchester a 1bedroom apartment in most places starts at $1800 a month. Even $20 an hour you cant live.
and yes my friend works at home depot an makes $22 per hour. In westchester that is. Might be different upstate.
To me its insane that a company like Amazon which is worth over 960 billion dollars pays delivery drivers $18 per hour. The company is worth more then entire county's.

Too many people confuse minimum wage with living wage. If you're trying to support a family on a min wage job then you've failed. If you don't make enough money to live where you want to, then you need to either move or improve your skills to make more money. The only true minimum wage is $0.00, which is where this will send many people as businesses stop hiring people that they normally would.

spat · Mar 11, 2023

Chris1389 said:
Well as long as their is a min wage its should keep up with cost of living. Here in Westchester a 1bedroom apartment in most places starts at $1800 a month. Even $20 an hour you cant live.
and yes my friend works at home depot an makes $22 per hour. In westchester that is. Might be different upstate.
To me its insane that a company like Amazon which is worth over 960 billion dollars pays delivery drivers $18 per hour. The company is worth more then entire county's.

Why would you pay a delivery driver more than $18/hr ?

That's all *the job* is worth.

And why does the cost of an apartment even factor into that ?

When you decide to buy some ammo, does it matter what the rent on the guy running the machine's apartment is ?

Are you willing to pay more for a case of 9mm made in Manhattan than the equivalent made I'm rural Arkansas because the rent is higher ?

If you want more than $18/hr to deliver for Amazon, you'll find yourself unemployed soon enough no matter what the minimum wage is. At that price it's worth a lot of money to eliminate your job entirely.

Maybe you can make more programming the delivery drones that replace you.

meketrefe · Mar 11, 2023

flipping burger robot...3,2,1....

GOPerfect · Mar 11, 2023

I am against a minimum wage, I have always been against it.

I am against a Maximum wage as well.

I hate the phrase, "Living Wage", made up term to appease stupid people.

I do not like the phrase, "Fixed Income either. Another made up term.

There are jobs that are worth more than other jobs. Some jobs, the pay should be low because the expectation of duties are limited. Not saying that one job is better or worse than another; most jobs are as important as the next.

Take for example a Prison Guard, makes say, $30 per hour. Burger flipper makes $15 per hour. Guard makes double the money. You raise the flipper to $20, you gonna raise the guard to $40? If not, how many are going to do the nasty work of the guard for just a bit more than the flipper of burgers?

Chris1389 · Mar 11, 2023

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spat said:
Why would you pay a delivery driver more than $18/hr ?

That's all *the job* is worth.

And why does the cost of an apartment even factor into that ?

When you decide to buy some ammo, does it matter what the rent on the guy running the machine's apartment is ?

Are you willing to pay more for a case of 9mm made in Manhattan than the equivalent made I'm rural Arkansas because the rent is higher ?

If you want more than $18/hr to deliver for Amazon, you'll find yourself unemployed soon enough no matter what the minimum wage is. At that price it's worth a lot of money to eliminate your job entirely.

Maybe you can make more programming the delivery drones that replace you.

im not sure what ammo has to do with a living wage. But anyway. With UPS you can make $90k a year. Amazon does the same job but better service. Also my wife is a practice manager at a laser eye center an they pay her $23 an hour. She runs the office. Shes been looking at other jobs an most wont pay much more. With out a front office the doctor does no business. Her boss walks into work with a $16k dress but gives bullshit raises. So a practice manager is a good solid position job. If she was on her own she wouldn't be able to live. She would be forced to live with her parents. It dont make sense to me.

GOPerfect · Mar 11, 2023

Chris1389 said:
Im

im not sure what ammo has to do with a living wage. But anyway. With UPS you can make $90k a year. Amazon does the same job but better service. Also my wife is a practice manager at a laser eye center an they pay her $23 an hour. She runs the office. Shes been looking at other jobs an most wont pay much more. With out a front office the doctor does no business. Her boss walks into work with a $16k dress but gives bullshit raises. So a practice manager is a good solid position job. If she was on her own she wouldn't be able to live. She would be forced to live with her parents. It dont make sense to me.

Not dissing on what your wife does at here job, not at all.

With a small bit of training her job could be done by most. The Dr. had to go through lots of education and serious training to get to where she is at. Is her job worth more than $23 per hour? If so, why exactly? Again, not dissing at all.

Modean · Mar 11, 2023

It boils down to this. If someone is willing to do a job for $1, that’s what the job is worth in the marketplace. If no one will do it for that, it’s worth more. This theory applies to all employment.

Chris1389 · Mar 11, 2023

GOPerfect said:
Not dissing on what your wife does at here job, not at all.

With a small bit of training her job could be done by most. The Dr. had to go through lots of education and serious training to get to where she is at. Is her job worth more than $23 per hour? If so, why exactly? Again, not dissing at all.

Name a job that cant be done with a small bit of training? Thats irrelevant. The point is that the doctors whole practice relies on the staff. A doctor is making millions. The staff should be paid a respectable wage so that you can afford a 1bedroom apartment to live in. Its common sense.

Chris1389 · Mar 11, 2023

Saltwater60 said:
Minimum wage is t meant for you to live off of. It’s meant for young people just starting off or a second income for some play money. I’ve been above minimum wage since I was 17 years old.

So you been making more then $10 an hour since you were 17. Thats not hard to do lol

GOPerfect · Mar 11, 2023

Chris1389 said:
Name a job that cant be done with a small bit of training? Thats irrelevant. The point is that the doctors whole practice relies on the staff. A doctor is making millions. The staff should be paid a respectable wage so that you can afford a 1bedroom apartment to live in. Its common sense.

An eye Surgeon for one. To answer the first question.

A doctor would not be a success if he or she was bad at their job either. Again, staff are easy to train for the job.

It is not the responsibility of employer to pay what a person/employee believes to be enough.

I understand the point you are trying to make. I only see things differently/

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