NYS could raise minimum wage to $20/hour

[Acer-m14]

if the doc is so skillful why can't he run his biz alone and do his own paperwork .. LOL ..

 

[Saltwater60]

In a real sense what is currently happening is that those with actual skills are having their money robbed from them and given to those without any real skills.

This is the plan to make us all on a level playing field for those of us making under say $150,000. If the people making $150,000 are poor and need to depend on the government most will end up voting democrat. This is absolutely the plan.

 

[spat]

if the doc is so skillful why can't he run his biz alone and do his own paperwork .. LOL ..

The same reason Jeff Bezos doesn't deliver his own packages.

It's a waste of his highly valuable time, and he's way better off paying someone far less expensive to do it.

 

[SomeSoldier]

if the doc is so skillful why can't he run his biz alone and do his own paperwork .. LOL ..

Because there are only so many hours in a day. Same reason Jeff Bezos didnt box all the products his company sold and shipped.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The same reason Jeff Bezos doesn't deliver his own packages.

It's a waste of his highly valuable time, and he's way better off paying someone far less expensive to do it.

Jinx you own me a beer.

 

[Acer-m14]

one time i needed a doc .. seen a ad in the paper .. doc taking new people ..

so i call and set up a appointment .. i have a sore throat . ..

so i show up next day .. the girl at the window is confused ..

the doc is only taking new OBGYN she says ..

SO!! .. all i got a is a sore throat .. and i have a appointment ..

 

[Chris1389]

Because you aren't going to pay extra for ammo just because the guy who boxes it's rent went up.

Why should Amazon pay more for that labor than it's worth just because some of the people doing it have expensive apartments?


What all the "living wage" people don't get is that labor is just a product. Just like ammo or bubblegum.

The employee is selling labor, the employer is buying it. Why should the employer pay any more for it than necessary ?

The "cost of living" is just the overhead of the business that is selling labor (the employee in this case)

Are you in the habit if playing extra for products just because one seller's overhead went up ?


If the price of Winchester white box went up by $3/box because the rent on their factory went up, you're not going to keep buying it unless UMC and everyone else got hit the same way.

So employers shouldn't keep up with cost of living? The avg cost of rent is cost of living. Also if the rent goes up at the Winchester factory an they raise there price thats called inflation. The cost of operating a business has increased so they must raise the price of product.

 

[Jchrisls]

So employers shouldn't keep up with cost of living? The avg cost of rent is cost of living. Also if the rent goes up at the Winchester factory an they raise there price thats called inflation. The cost of operating a business has increased so they must raise the price of product.

This is where I think you've gone wrong. In any publicly traded company the responsibility of the board is to the shareholders and not any employee. It's the employees choice to continue to stay employed at any employer who they wish at whatever wage they have themselves negotiated.

Basically, every employee should look at thier job as if they are a subcontractor, trading wage for services. You have the freedom to choose to work there or not based upon your wage or not. You can freely seek employment elsewhere and test the market te see what the market offers for your services ( wages traded for work).

That is your responsibility, not thiers.

The marketplace sets the price, you navigate and negotiate that price if the marketplace will sustain it.


It's not thier job to maintain a set price for labor, it's your job to gain skills to negotiate a higher price that the market will be willing to pay.

Setting a base price for wages borders socialism.

Ps- you should never expect loyalty from any employer, and you should regard yourself the same. You are a subcontractor, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[spat]

So employers shouldn't keep up with cost of living? The avg cost of rent is cost of living. Also if the rent goes up at the Winchester factory an they raise there price thats called inflation. The cost of operating a business has increased so they must raise the price of product.

Why should they ?

If they need to raise prices because the cost of living around the Westchester factory goes up, they should close it and open one somewhere cheaper.

 

[Saltwater60]

if the doc is so skillful why can't he run his biz alone and do his own paperwork .. LOL ..

If you’re not seeing patients then you’re not making money. Also maybe they aren’t the best at a managing an office but are a very good doctor. Just because someone is needed to run a business doesn’t mean they should make more money. Some people are under paid for sure. The ambulance drivers and health care aides should be paid more. I’m sure there are more examples.

 

[Saltwater60]

So employers shouldn't keep up with cost of living? The avg cost of rent is cost of living. Also if the rent goes up at the Winchester factory an they raise there price thats called inflation. The cost of operating a business has increased so they must raise the price of product.

Employers should raise wages with inflation if possible, but it’s not always possible. Maybe that’s what you mean by cost of living? Yes in a perfect world this would happen but when inflation goes up like it has people normally don’t spend as much money and you can’t always pass those costs onto your customers.
In many areas there is a market price and if your costs go up and the market price doesn’t then you eat it. Say your a farmer and the market price is $50 for a case of tomatoes. Your input prices go up 30% and inflation has gone up 7% last year but your tomatoes are still selling for $50-$51/ per case because Mexico and South America can still produce them cheap. Do you give your workers a 7% raise? Nope it’s not possible and this is repeated many times in many businesses.
It’s funny the state proposed this. I work for the state and the inflation was about 8% last year and this year it’s running about 7%, so 15% on the last two years but I got a 2% raise last year in our contract. So by your thought NYS should give me a 15% increase this year and say 4% the best year but that will never happen. We will be lucky to get over 2%. Funny how the state demands this of private businesses yet they fail to do this on their own.

 

[Saltwater60]

This is where I think you've gone wrong. In any publicly traded company the responsibility of the board is to the shareholders and not any employee. It's the employees choice to continue to stay employed at any employer who they wish at whatever wage they have themselves negotiated.

Basically, every employee should look at thier job as if they are a subcontractor, trading wage for services. You have the freedom to choose to work there or not based upon your wage or not. You can freely seek employment elsewhere and test the market te see what the market offers for your services ( wages traded for work).

That is your responsibility, not thiers.

The marketplace sets the price, you navigate and negotiate that price if the marketplace will sustain it.


It's not thier job to maintain a set price for labor, it's your job to gain skills to negotiate a higher price that the market will be willing to pay.

Setting a base price for wages borders socialism.

Ps- you should never expect loyalty from any employer, and you should regard yourself the same. You are a subcontractor, nothing more, nothing less.

Great analogy and this is why wages have increased because there is a worker shortage.

 

[Chris1389]

Employers should raise wages with inflation if possible, but it’s not always possible. Maybe that’s what you mean by cost of living? Yes in a perfect world this would happen but when inflation goes up like it has people normally don’t spend as much money and you can’t always pass those costs onto your customers.
In many areas there is a market price and if your costs go up and the market price doesn’t then you eat it. Say your a farmer and the market price is $50 for a case of tomatoes. Your input prices go up 30% and inflation has gone up 7% last year but your tomatoes are still selling for $50-$51/ per case because Mexico and South America can still produce them cheap. Do you give your workers a 7% raise? Nope it’s not possible and this is repeated many times in many businesses.
It’s funny the state proposed this. I work for the state and the inflation was about 8% last year and this year it’s running about 7%, so 15% on the last two years but I got a 2% raise last year in our contract. So by your thought NYS should give me a 15% increase this year and say 4% the best year but that will never happen. We will be lucky to get over 2%. Funny how the state demands this of private businesses yet they fail to do this on their own.

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

You wouldn't need that raise as much if they stopped fucking with minimum wage.

But I do agree that employers over the years have become evermore greedy.

Government generally raises minimum wage to increase tax revenue. Has nothing to do with helping people because as min wage increases the cost of everything goes up as well. The only people to benefit from it is the government.

 

[Jchrisls]

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

Could it be that if the government you work for stopped printing money at such a fast pace and reels in its spending then you could possibly avoid inflation? Hmm...if that were the case, then the raise you received would have been sufficient to cover normal inflation.

And that 23 million dollars? Welp, that was your money to begin with. Ask yourself how they were able to so easily divy it out so quickly. Could it be that they are over taxing you in the first place? Probably. Reduce the tax burden, decrease spending and watch inflation decrease.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Could it be that if the government you work for stopped printing money at such a fast pace and reels in its spending then you could possibly avoid inflation? Hmm...if that were the case, then the raise you received would have been sufficient to cover normal inflation.

And that 23 million dollars? Welp, that was your money to begin with. Ask yourself how they were able to so easily divy it out so quickly. Could it be that they are over taxing you in the first place? Probably. Reduce the tax burden, decrease spending and watch inflation decrease.

Then move min wage to $0 and watch the value of the USD increase. Before you say we could never, I think Tennesseehas a $0 min wage.

 

[Darth]

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

You still work their of your own free will.

You are literally the one defending them.

 

[Jchrisls]

Then move min wage to $0 and watch the value of the USD increase. Before you say we could never, I think Tennesseehas a $0 min wage.

Tennessee has a minimum wage of 7.25/hrs, but I understand your idea.

As to whether it would ever happen, it couldn't. Beyond the liberal fears, tax revenues would plummet. I could also see the loss of many, many jobs in the service sector that border that wage which, in turn, would raise the price of many good and services bumping inflation. Would it completely counter the current inflation? Too many variables to calculate when dealing with human beings.

 

[Chris1389]

You still work their of your own free will.

You are literally the one defending them.

The healthcare an benefits are too good to leave. I enjoy my job as well. With a house, family and health issues i dont have the privilege to just quit an look for a new job. Also the grass is never greener.

 

[Darth]

The healthcare an benefits are too good to leave. I enjoy my job as well. With a house, family and health issues i dont have the privilege to just quit an look for a new job. Also the grass is never greener.

Right, so you were presented a choice and your current situation outweighed the pros of leaving and seeking more money as the compensation is too valuable.

And you are upset you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Curse those greedy capitalists.

 

[Jchrisls]

The healthcare an benefits are too good to leave. I enjoy my job as well. With a house, family and health issues i dont have the privilege to just quit an look for a new job. Also the grass is never greener.

So you've come to terms with the wage then?

 

[SomeSoldier]

Tennessee has a minimum wage of 7.25/hrs, but I understand your idea.

As to whether it would ever happen, it couldn't. Beyond the liberal fears, tax revenues would plummet. I could also see the loss of many, many jobs in the service sector that border that wage which, in turn, would raise the price of many good and services bumping inflation. Would it completely counter the current inflation? Too many variables to calculate when dealing with human beings.

State Minimum Wages

This chart shows state minimum wage rates in effect as of Jan. 1, 2021, as well as future enacted increases.

www.ncsl.org

 

[Jchrisls]

State Minimum Wages

This chart shows state minimum wage rates in effect as of Jan. 1, 2021, as well as future enacted increases.

www.ncsl.org

Agreed, but federal minimums still apply

From the article;

Five states have not adopted a state minimum wage: Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Tennessee. Two states, Georgia and Wyoming, have a minimum wage below $7.25 per hour. In all seven of these states, the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour applies.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Let's collapse the economy a little more. Raise already obscene minimum wage higher further devaluing real jobs that pay 20$ an hour. Let's get that inflation going again, start some panic and collapse some more banks.

Onward!


Building back better!



For those who haven't run the numbers 20$ per hour x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks is 41,600. If the lowest level order takers and burger flippers are all being compensated 40k plus or pro rated out per their time, what the hell do you think those companies are going to do? They either going to get robots, raise prices significantly or go out of business. If they raise prices that much they will very likely lose customers and go out of business.

This will put pressure on real jobs making 18-25$ an hour that are making real contributions. They might say what the hell am I dealing with this stress for when I can be stocking shelves in a grocery store for 20$ an hour.

 

[Jchrisls]

Let's collapse the economy a little more. Raise already obscene minimum wage higher further devaluing real jobs that pay 20$ an hour. Let's get that inflation going again, start some panic and collapse some more banks.

Onward!


Building back better!



For those who haven't run the numbers 20$ per hour x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks is 41,600. If the lowest level order takers and burger flippers are all being compensated 40k plus or pro rated out per their time, what the hell do you think those companies are going to do? They either going to get robots, raise prices significantly or go out of business. If they raise prices that much they will very likely lose customers and go out of business.

This will put pressure on real jobs making 18-25$ an hour that are making real contributions. They might say what the hell am I dealing with this stress for when I can be stocking shelves in a grocery store for 20$ an hour.

Another alternative is to pay those wages in the service industry and then....


Limit all hours to be the equivalent amount of pay.


Unemployment drops, but wages stay stagnant.

Remember, whatever the government does, it fails poorly.....but with style!

 

[repete]

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

Why do you feel that your entitled to any of that covid relief funds?
If you feel that you're underpaid feel free to look elsewhere for a job.
1-2% raise a year, WOW that would be great, most people do not get raises every year!
I've changed careers several times, feel free to follow in my foot steps.

 

[tirwin1]

Name a job that cant be done with a small bit of training? Thats irrelevant. The point is that the doctors whole practice relies on the staff. A doctor is making millions. The staff should be paid a respectable wage so that you can afford a 1bedroom apartment to live in. Its common sense.

She is free to find a comparable job at another office for more money. What's stopping her? Especially if her services are so valuable as you claim.

 

[Chris1389]

She is free to find a comparable job at another office for more money. What's stopping her? Especially if her services are so valuable as you claim.

Shes doing that currently. Phone an zoom interviews

 

[Chris1389]

Why do you feel that your entitled to any of that covid relief funds?
If you feel that you're underpaid feel free to look elsewhere for a job.
1-2% raise a year, WOW that would be great, most people do not get raises every year!
I've changed careers several times, feel free to follow in my foot steps.

We felt entitled to it bc they treated us like covid never happened. We worked regular schedule. The surrounding towns an cities all got compensated. Not us. Also Most people do get raises every year. White collar jobs call them a bonus.

 

[Saltwater60]

I work for a city. Its the Same thing. Every year our raise would be very close to the inflation rate 1.5-3%. Now inflation went super high an they still wanna give us the 1-2% raise. Even after they got 23million dollars in US government covid relief money. Zero dollars were passed on to the employees. Its wrong. But you guys wanna defend these a-holes.

Who are we defending? The article is about the state wanting to raise minimum wage to $20/hour and we said it will force some businesses to close and if you want a raise get some skills, training, or education. Minimum wage jobs aren’t made for buying a house and raising a family.
Also on the Covid money I was a front line worker and worked the vaccine site and they refused to give me the $2,500 hazard pay since I didn’t work with patients. I said as soon as they walk in the building they are patient no? Obviously they disagree. I’m defending no one just saying the state doesn’t follow its rules or care about its people.