yes they will.
NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The way I read it, it will be a crime to buy it or to wear armor while you are committing a crime. Wearing body armor if you already own it, or buy it out of state isn't illegal yet.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
None of this garbage makes any sense.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
None of it is supposed to. Much of this law will eventually be overturned, either piecemeal or all at once. Does not matter. The process is the punishment.
By then, it will be a done deal that KH will have received large donations from secret sources (most likely Bloomberg), enough to put her over the top in the upcoming election and cement her power for another term.
These people are not looking for solutions, they are not even looking for useless things to become permanent, such as the SAFE act and now this. If it gets overturned, they will not bat an eye, except to use the occasion to do something that will give them even more power.
Power for the sake of power is all they are ever about.
only if it is free.
Otherwise it is an unConstitutional tax on a Right.
I thought this was already shot down with Heller or the other one.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
When was it ever illegal? It was just recommended that you don’t in my county. It was never forbidden.
mark60
.40 S&W
I'll have to read more, I don't remember hard armor being banned. I thought it was just soft armor, the kind the guy at Tops wasn't wearing.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
It wasn’t actually banned. Only the sale in NY was banned. You can still own it.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
If I am reading this right…
www.nysenate.gov
And if it’s the bill they are going to pass, there are a lot of bad things in it but some things aren’t as bad.
I think everyone will be grandfathered in as far as the training requirements.
Retired police officers will be exempt but I didn’t see an exemption for retired PEACE officers.
Security guards exemption is only at work during work hours—good luck getting to work or getting lunch.
NY State Senate Bill 2021-S51001
Relates to licensing and other provisions relating to firearms.
I think everyone will be grandfathered in as far as the training requirements.
Retired police officers will be exempt but I didn’t see an exemption for retired PEACE officers.
Security guards exemption is only at work during work hours—good luck getting to work or getting lunch.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s illegal in a lot of local laws. But I see the proposed state law allows locals to ban it
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Still own it and buy hard plates.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Right but the updated bill bans hard plates now. And NYS police was interpreting the bill as a ban on possession -- so the question is, if possession is banned now, similar to soft armor, do amendments take effect in the "same manner" as the original law (IE, thirteen day window)?
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Dems will not have 60 votes in the U.S. Senate in the next session ... it's impossible, and will most likely fall short of their current 50.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
SCOTUS Vacates 4 Decisions Upholding Gun Control Laws Whose Constitutionality Now Looks Doubtful
The Court told appeals courts to reconsider their conclusions in light of last week's ruling against New York's restrictions on public possession of firearms.
reason.com
I vaguely remember this happening to a NJ security guard. Similar in nature, as he was carrying hollow points, ISSUED to him by his employer. Hollow points are illegal in NJ. Got pulled over, displayed his SG card and firearm, was arrested and prosecuted for it. Don't know the outcome.
ManualF150
.308 Win
Cripes... for those that store your guns in a wooden gun case or metal stack-on cabinets: AND SHALL BE FIRE, IMPACT, AND TAMPER RESISTANT
Basically that means you need to buy an actual gun safe.
Also, I was reading that Senate Bill S51001 the training requirements seem rather rigorous... what is concerning is that I know of people that shoot only a couple times a year, and don't keep a lot of ammo on hand. A few friends relied on me to reload .380 for example for them because it was like non-existent for a while at least in my neck of the woods. What happens if you don't have the money or the resources to do the mandatory training? 2 hours shooting, I can see going through 200-300 rounds easy. On top of this, there aren't enough instructors as it is. Some folks are also shitty at taking exams as they get older.
19. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE UNDER PARAGRAPH (F)
OF SUBDIVISION TWO OF THIS SECTION, ISSUED OR RENEWED ON OR AFTER THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, AN APPLICANT SHALL COMPLETE AN
IN-PERSON LIVE FIREARMS SAFETY COURSE CONDUCTED BY A DULY AUTHORIZED
INSTRUCTOR WITH CURRICULUM APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SERVICES AND THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, AND MEETING THE FOLLOW-
ING REQUIREMENTS: (A) A MINIMUM OF SIXTEEN HOURS OF IN-PERSON LIVE
CURRICULUM APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND THE
SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, CONDUCTED BY A DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUC-
TOR APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES, AND SHALL
INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: (I) GENERAL FIREARM
SAFETY; (II) SAFE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS AND GENERAL SECURE STORAGE BEST
PRACTICES; (III) STATE AND FEDERAL GUN LAWS; (IV) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS;
(V) CONFLICT DE-ESCALATION; (VI) BEST PRACTICES WHEN ENCOUNTERING LAW
ENFORCEMENT; (VII) THE STATUTORILY DEFINED SENSITIVE PLACES IN SUBDIVI-
SION TWO OF SECTION 265.01-E OF THIS CHAPTER AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON
POSSESSION ON RESTRICTED PLACES UNDER SECTION 265.01-D OF THIS CHAPTER;
(VIII) CONFLICT MANAGEMENT; (IX) USE OF DEADLY FORCE; (X) SUICIDE
PREVENTION; AND (XI) THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF MARKSMANSHIP; AND (B) A
MINIMUM OF TWO HOURS OF A LIVE-FIRE RANGE TRAINING COURSE. THE APPLICANT
SHALL BE REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE PROFICIENCY BY SCORING A MINIMUM OF
EIGHTY PERCENT CORRECT ANSWERS ON A WRITTEN TEST FOR THE CURRICULUM
UNDER PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND THE PROFICIENCY LEVEL DETER-
MINED BY THE RULES AND REGULATIONS PROMULGATED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMI-
NAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE FOR THE
LIVE-FIRE RANGE TRAINING UNDER PARAGRAPH (B) OF THIS SUBDIVISION. UPON
DEMONSTRATION OF SUCH PROFICIENCY, A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION SHALL BE
ISSUED TO SUCH APPLICANT IN THE APPLICANT'S NAME AND ENDORSED AND
AFFIRMED UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY BY SUCH DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUC-
TOR. AN APPLICANT REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE TRAINING REQUIRED HEREIN
PRIOR TO RENEWAL OF A LICENSE ISSUED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
SUBDIVISION SHALL ONLY BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE SUCH TRAINING FOR THE
FIRST RENEWAL OF SUCH LICENSE AFTER SUCH EFFECTIVE DATE.
Basically that means you need to buy an actual gun safe.
Also, I was reading that Senate Bill S51001 the training requirements seem rather rigorous... what is concerning is that I know of people that shoot only a couple times a year, and don't keep a lot of ammo on hand. A few friends relied on me to reload .380 for example for them because it was like non-existent for a while at least in my neck of the woods. What happens if you don't have the money or the resources to do the mandatory training? 2 hours shooting, I can see going through 200-300 rounds easy. On top of this, there aren't enough instructors as it is. Some folks are also shitty at taking exams as they get older.
19. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE UNDER PARAGRAPH (F)
OF SUBDIVISION TWO OF THIS SECTION, ISSUED OR RENEWED ON OR AFTER THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SUBDIVISION, AN APPLICANT SHALL COMPLETE AN
IN-PERSON LIVE FIREARMS SAFETY COURSE CONDUCTED BY A DULY AUTHORIZED
INSTRUCTOR WITH CURRICULUM APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
SERVICES AND THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, AND MEETING THE FOLLOW-
ING REQUIREMENTS: (A) A MINIMUM OF SIXTEEN HOURS OF IN-PERSON LIVE
CURRICULUM APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND THE
SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE, CONDUCTED BY A DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUC-
TOR APPROVED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES, AND SHALL
INCLUDE BUT NOT BE LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: (I) GENERAL FIREARM
SAFETY; (II) SAFE STORAGE REQUIREMENTS AND GENERAL SECURE STORAGE BEST
PRACTICES; (III) STATE AND FEDERAL GUN LAWS; (IV) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS;
(V) CONFLICT DE-ESCALATION; (VI) BEST PRACTICES WHEN ENCOUNTERING LAW
ENFORCEMENT; (VII) THE STATUTORILY DEFINED SENSITIVE PLACES IN SUBDIVI-
SION TWO OF SECTION 265.01-E OF THIS CHAPTER AND THE RESTRICTIONS ON
POSSESSION ON RESTRICTED PLACES UNDER SECTION 265.01-D OF THIS CHAPTER;
(VIII) CONFLICT MANAGEMENT; (IX) USE OF DEADLY FORCE; (X) SUICIDE
PREVENTION; AND (XI) THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF MARKSMANSHIP; AND (B) A
MINIMUM OF TWO HOURS OF A LIVE-FIRE RANGE TRAINING COURSE. THE APPLICANT
SHALL BE REQUIRED TO DEMONSTRATE PROFICIENCY BY SCORING A MINIMUM OF
EIGHTY PERCENT CORRECT ANSWERS ON A WRITTEN TEST FOR THE CURRICULUM
UNDER PARAGRAPH (A) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND THE PROFICIENCY LEVEL DETER-
MINED BY THE RULES AND REGULATIONS PROMULGATED BY THE DIVISION OF CRIMI-
NAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND THE SUPERINTENDENT OF STATE POLICE FOR THE
LIVE-FIRE RANGE TRAINING UNDER PARAGRAPH (B) OF THIS SUBDIVISION. UPON
DEMONSTRATION OF SUCH PROFICIENCY, A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION SHALL BE
ISSUED TO SUCH APPLICANT IN THE APPLICANT'S NAME AND ENDORSED AND
AFFIRMED UNDER THE PENALTIES OF PERJURY BY SUCH DULY AUTHORIZED INSTRUC-
TOR. AN APPLICANT REQUIRED TO COMPLETE THE TRAINING REQUIRED HEREIN
PRIOR TO RENEWAL OF A LICENSE ISSUED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
SUBDIVISION SHALL ONLY BE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE SUCH TRAINING FOR THE
FIRST RENEWAL OF SUCH LICENSE AFTER SUCH EFFECTIVE DATE.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The outcome was all charges dropped. He had critical defense ammo which NJ says arent hollowpoints.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
So this only applies to the renewal once? Either way this is insane. It's like the ammo database, it'll probably take years if at all to be implemented.
With the SCOTUS returning 4 2A cases back down to lower courts Thursday, the message is clear! When and if NY enacts an unconstitutional law, it will be struck down! The 2 step process that Justice Thomas noted in his decision is what will not be tolerated. The high capacity ban is in jeopardy too, and more!
But NY will drag it's citizens, it's law abiding citizens through the mud, just to make a point. All the while gangbangers and 100x losers are let go on the streets! It's all a fucking joke! Maybe if it were 100 years ago instead of everyone bullshiting on their cell phones things would be different... Just an observation!
FUNY!
But NY will drag it's citizens, it's law abiding citizens through the mud, just to make a point. All the while gangbangers and 100x losers are let go on the streets! It's all a fucking joke! Maybe if it were 100 years ago instead of everyone bullshiting on their cell phones things would be different... Just an observation!
FUNY!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
What passes for a "journalist" in 2022, so basically yea, elementary school.
My .02. Having the 4 cases remanded back to the lower courts is actually not great for us in NY. Had SCOTUS issued a writ to hear those cases, it would be a national ruling, potentially helping all of us. Instead, having the determinations vacated and sent back down will only effect the original states, hence no bueno helping in NY.
ManualF150
.308 Win
That's what it states. The scary part is if you fail the test because you are a shitty exam taker. Now the .gov will tell you that you need to give up your guns.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Or but it next door and bring it back.
subsonic
.44 mag
What I read is there is a "while hunting" exception for both sensitive places and restricted places (private property). So if you are afield with your gun (and back tag outside north country due to that stupid reg) in pursuit of game you should fall under the exception to those charges,
subsonic
.44 mag
There's already a federal law making it illegal to sell ammo for pistols <21 years of age. At some big box stores I've been asked for pistol permit buying .22LR or 9mm. I just tell them it's for carbine and they sell it to me without that. This should be the same.
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
Correct. They will only effect the 3rd, 4th, and 9th circuits directly, but can be used as precedent for lawsuits in other circuits.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
So if one hunts on property without permission instead of just a trespass charge you become a felon. ? I know several landowners that in a large tract of woods really don't know where their boundary exactly is. Very easy to stray onto another property without knowing you did. .. Just wondering
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
Hochul's gun control bill passed the Assembly & Senate.
NY State Assembly Bill A41001
NY State Senate Bill S51001
NY State Assembly Bill A41001
NY State Senate Bill S51001
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
In New York, Gun Owners Balk At New Handgun Database
This week marked the official deadline for more than 370,000 handgun owners in the state of New York to register those guns with state police. New York is trying to use that information to build a comprehensive record of gun owners — something only one other state has done. The database that California started in 2007 has gotten mixed review
So can we say there there are over 1/2 million handgun owners. From one article I read we must recert every 3 years ? Can we predict a backlog of live fire certification ?
maverick52
.223 Rem
What is
Can anyone explain the recertification requirements? Also from what I read, all firearm transfers and ammo transfers/purchases and NICS background checks will go through a new division of the NYSP? Does that mean no more amendments when purchasing a firearm?