NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Jchrisls]

Lee Zeldin calls out Kathy Hochul for 'targeting' law-abiding citizens with NY gun law

Rep. Lee Zeldin, R-N.Y. and gubernatorial candidate, responded to Gov. Kathy Hochul signing a strict gun control bill into law on "The Ingraham Angle."

www.foxnews.com

While I like all of the little he said, I'm reminded that he is up for election, and his past history doesn't bode well proving anything about his willingness to truly take a stand about the issue.

Edit-although we are left with little choice but to vote for him.

 

[GOPerfect]

I will continue my life and my business as usual. I will change nothing, no matter what this cunt does or signs into law.

I have retained the possible services of a local attorney. Even though these tentative laws do not affect me right now, I am over this petty bullshit.

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Rap]

I will continue my life and my business as usual. I will change nothing, no matter what this cunt does or signs into law.

I have retained the possible services of a local attorney. Even though these tentative laws do not affect me right now, I am over this petty bullshit.

Interesting. This seems starkly inconsistent with your gleeful observation of actual or intended infringement in the past. What gives?

 

[drowhawk]

To all my retired LEO friends, I read a second loophole for us. This also can cover retired peace officers as well.

There is a federal LEOSA exemption to the additional sensitive places.


3. THIS SECTION SHALL NOT APPLY TO:
(A) CONSISTENT WITH FEDERAL LAW, LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO QUALIFY TO CARRY
UNDER THE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SAFETY ACT, 18 U.S.C. 926C

And 18 USC 926 is:

18 U.S. Code § 926C - Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law enforcement officers​

Retired LEOs have an exception .

Nobody gives a shit anymore about LEO exemptions, sorry. Make it like Canada so you cant even carry off duty or at home. Its time they feel the burn too. Im tired of police being treated like they are better than us plebz.

 

[Cavalry]

So most of us woke up this morning to find we lost a pile of previously held rights. Fun times!
I have friends with prior DUI's scratching their heads this morning wondering if their permit will now be revoked and an MRAP crashed through their house to take all their long guns they will no longer be eligible to own.
3 years? 5 years? 3 years, if less than one year, but only after the solar eclipse? Classes? Who the fuck knows!
Sensitive places? So pretty much everywhere other than in your home. Fabulous.

It seems the only class of people that actually have rights in this state are criminals, which we are destined to become. Criminals dont follow laws, because they are criminals. If carrying in this state means one is a felon then why stop there, one or 5 whats the difference?

Anyone need STL's for G17 33 clipazines or giggle switches? Printers are cheap now, everyone should have one for knicknacks and such.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

Nobody gives a shit anymore about LEO exemptions, sorry. Make it like Canada so you cant even carry off duty or at home. Its time they feel the burn too. Im tired of police being treated like they are better than us plebz.

but they're so good with firearms

Akron, Ohio Prepares for Riots After Police Reportedly Shot Fleeing Black Man 60 Times; 4th of July Festival Canceled | The Gateway Pundit | by Kristinn Taylor

Heavy duty trucks were parked in front of police headquarters in Akron Friday morning as the northeast Ohio city is on edge after reports a Black man fleeing a traffic stop Monday was shot and killed by eight police officers who reportedly fired ninety rounds–hitting the man, 25-year-old Jayland...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[drowhawk]

Also: the scariest part of this bill is the oversight board at nysp. No more authority by our appointed judges to rule on the legitimacy on a revocation.
Screw it, just make them in charge of all legal proceedings involving constitutional rights.

 

[GOPerfect]

Interesting. This seems starkly inconsistent with your gleeful observation of actual or intended infringement in the past. What gives?

I take it that you have no real understanding of why I am "gleeful".

You, apparently, have not read my more deeper thoughts on all of this.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Mayor Adams' Statement on Governor Hochul Signing Historic Gun Safety Legislation​

 

[Grimscale]

Don’t forget if you can’t get it in time and they revoke your license you forfeit all firearms long guns and handguns, and I am not gonna let them take my shit.

Except the Supreme Court has already ruled it is our Right to possess arms for defense. So, no, they aren't taking anything.

They might as well come here and kill me now.

 

[Jchrisls]

I take it that you have no real understanding of why I am "gleeful".

You, apparently, have not read my more deeper thoughts on all of this.

One may assume gleeful in a sarcastic sense, hopeful that legal challenges are coming?

 

[Cavalry]

One may assume gleeful in a sarcastic sense, hopeful that legal challenges are coming?

I dont know @GOPerfect any further than what is posted here. I would say hes eager to get a full reboot of the system by whatever means are necessary to get there.

 

[kev74]

I dont know @GOPerfect any further than what is posted here. I would say hes eager to get a full reboot of the system by whatever means are necessary to get there.

#me too

 

[livingston]

The social media scrutiny could pose the largest problem of all... Think of everything banned by Twitter and Facebook ... Some simple things that the left takes offense by. . Think of these same people deciding if you can have a gun. ... The left has called Trump supporters terrorists ... Pelosi, AOC and the like. If you want closed borders you are racists.
President Trump again referred to COVID-19 as the "Kung flu” in Arizona on Tuesday night.
Trump's Racial Slurs To Describe Coronavirus Put Health Care Workers, Patients At Risk June 25, 2020

Point is these very same people could be the ones deciding if you get a permit. Now the left will deny this. . Perhaps not from the start. Think back to the discussions on the Chinese social credit scores. Will a score decide as to one would get a permit. Think back to college admissions
What is University quota system?


The quota system, which is based on students' district of origin, rather than merit alone, has been used for nearly a decade now and acts as a form of affirmative action for students from the country's central and southern regions due to their perceived regional underrepresentation at universities.Dec 7, 2019

Will the same standards apply to get a permit.
I understand this sounds far fetched, and it could be. ... Five years ago we did not think men could get pregnant ...

 

[Blackjack]

Shouldn’t need any more legal challenges for sensitive locations that make 90% of the state illegal to carry. It is addressed last week with the current ruling.

An emergency injunction needs to be filed. The DOJ needs to investigate and arrest Hochul for blatant disregard and contempt of US Supreme Court.

This law as it stands is 100% illegal. Sensitive locations and their over use are mentioned very specifically in the ruling.

 

[John Stark]

NY Senate OKs bill barring guns in Times Square, requiring social media info for permit

Albany is set to pass sweeping legislation that would ban concealed weapons from “sensitive locations” while requiring gun permit applicants to show their social media accounts.

nypost.com

New York approves gun law requiring buyers to provide social media handles

New York passed a new gun bill Friday after the Supreme Court ruled last week that most residents have a constitutional right to obtain a concealed carry permit.

www.foxnews.com

Posting these links so it doesn't seem like my comments have no context.

Several years ago when they passed the 5 year recert for "life time" handgun licenses, caterwauling on the old forum prompted me to suggest that maybe everyone should stop being so servile and refuse to do the recert. The caterwauling got worse and everyone had their excuse as to why they had to keep a firm grip on their permission slip from NY so they could keep exercising their privilege.

I have repeatedly maintained since UnSafe that NY will never stop until guns are defacto banned in this state or so hard to obtain that its not worth jumping through the hoops, and that bending over for UnSafe and the 5 year recert was nothing more than a signal to Albany and NYC to PUSH HARDER, confirming to them the hand of weakness that gun owners in this stithole have shown for decades upon decades.

This is blantant Tyranny, and yet what we get are pages and pages of the same bullshit we had when UnSafe was enacted and later the 5 year recert.

"What does it mean?"

"How can I comply"

"How much will this cost me now?"

"Glad I deleted all of my social media!"

"Are there any loopholes we can exploit?"

WTF?

Anyone read their Shakespeare? "Thus conscience does make cowards of us all"

NY gun owners have tried to be conscientious and law abiding, and it has turned them all into servile cowards, and only emboldened NY political scum to Infringe even harder! At what freaking point do we collectively say ENOUGH???

The entire reason these new laws are enacted and will be enforced is because NYers are cucks who keep complying!

Throw that permission slip in the garbage! Refuse to comply with this bullshit! Organize and tell NY to back the fuck off!

Gird you loins like men and tell NY to go to hell!

 

[camper4lyfe]

Fire resistant means metal not a fire rating.

Does it? Once again NY wins the vague legislation award.

 

[Saltwater60]

For the purposes of this section, a sensitive location shall mean:
41 (a) any place owned or under the control of federal, state or local
42 government,

Roads are places owned and under the control of federal, state and local governments.

Don’t shoot the messenger… it’s what the bill says.

I’m not. No one else interprets it that way. They then go on to explain where those areas are and roadways aren’t on them. Even if your interpretation is correct then why does it say you can have them in your car under your direct supervision or they need to be locked in a safe? Also if your interpretation is correct this will get tossed in a heartbeat because that would restrict carrying to your home and the SC specifically states you have the right to carry outside your home with a permit.

 

[Saltwater60]

If 14ga meets it and 20ga doesn't, then I imagine 20ga with a cheap spray on coating would.

Certainly 20ga with some drywall would.

I will likely drywall around mine since I planned to anyway.

 

[Blackjack]

I’m not. No one else interprets it that way. They then go on to explain where those areas are and roadways aren’t on them. Even if your interpretation is correct then why does it say you can have them in your car under your direct supervision or they need to be locked in a safe? Also if your interpretation is correct this will get tossed in a heartbeat because that would restrict carrying to your home and the SC specifically states you have the right to carry outside your home with a permit.

SC just specifically stated you cannot over use sensitive areas. And now 99% of the state is sensitive outside of private homes. So apparently what they say does not matter.

I just copied and pasted what it says. You can interpret it however you want but that is exactly what it says. I have seen hairs split here over very vague language. This isn’t.

 

[Vicarious]

Fudds, got screwed in this as well. Long guns must now be transported in fireproof steel containers when in transport.

New York Moves to Nullify Supreme Court Decision Upholding Gun Rights

In an act of breathtaking defiance and spitefulness not seen since Southern states engaged in

www.americanthinker.com

 

[livingston]

Many times I have said on this forum... Someday just spitting on the sidewalk will be a felony ... Now just the- act of walking into a store armed to buy a gallon of milk will be one.

 

[Saltwater60]

SC just specifically stated you cannot over use sensitive areas. And now 99% of the state is sensitive outside of private homes. So apparently what they say does not matter.

I just copied and pasted what it says. You can interpret it however you want but that is exactly what it says. I have seen hairs split here over very vague language. This isn’t.

I understand why you think that and maybe that’s how it will get interpreted, but again if that’s what it means or doesn’t the sensitive areas is being abused and over used. It will get tossed one way or another.

 

[Blackjack]

I understand why you think that and maybe that’s how it will get interpreted, but again if that’s what it means or doesn’t the sensitive areas is being abused and over used. It will get tossed one way or another.

The whole dam thing needs to tossed!

 

[Saltwater60]

The whole dam thing needs to tossed!

I’m guessing 90% of it will be.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I will continue my life and my business as usual. I will change nothing, no matter what this cunt does or signs into law.

I have retained the possible services of a local attorney. Even though these tentative laws do not affect me right now, I am over this petty bullshit.

 

[mark60]

Fudds, got screwed in this as well. Long guns must now be transported in fireproof steel containers when in transport.

New York Moves to Nullify Supreme Court Decision Upholding Gun Rights

In an act of breathtaking defiance and spitefulness not seen since Southern states engaged in

www.americanthinker.com

That's actually not true, it needs to be locked if left in a vehicle not just transported. I'm all for Fudds getting hammered though. If you're not in the fight, you're against us. I know too many gun owners, many personal friends, that only hunt and pistol permit "stuff", Ar "stuff" doesn't apply to them so they don't care. When they have to get a special permission slip to buy a 10/22 for their kid they might start caring a little bit.

 

[Deplorable Me]

A note of optimism.

Legal expert Paul Cambria scrutinizes gun reform bills in NYS

“There will be lots of challenges, there’s no doubt about that” Buffalo attorney Paul Cambria reacted Friday to a wave of new gun restrictions looming in New York State after the Supreme Court last week struck down the state’s concealed carry law.

www.audacy.com

 

[Doc8404]

Wait, so not only are people walking into stores with a “no gun” sign and breaking the “rules” but now a store without a sign is supposed to be off limits?

OMG. Say it isn’t so.

I have to go now. Off to Hannaford, Walmart, library, and USPS.

Hope I don’t miss any signs. Wait. No sign is bad. I’m soooo confused.

What should I do?