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Egg Fucking Zakly
NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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Egg Fucking Zakly
Acer-m14
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if you get pulled over for a tail light and they see a box .. ohhh no .. issue is they can't prolong the stop and wait 30 minutes for a search warrant or the drug dogs on a hunch or you saying NO ..
So just Say .. NO .. i don't consent to a search and shut up and let your lawyer handle the rest ..
Where we are headed unless we stop Hochul and her ilk in their tracks:
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Okay, let’s go thru a fact pattern. A person get pulled over for a traffic violation. The cop sees a lock box associated with pistols. A computer check reveals that the person has a an order of protection against them. The person refuses to talk or tell what’s in the box. The cop has probable cause for the box. He can seize the box and get a search warrant.
ECU Pirates
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And if this person didn’t have an order of protection against them?
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
yep .. shut up .. you no need to talk to aid in there investigation ..
what if the Glock pistol case i bought at the gun show . only has cookies in it in the car ....
Aussy Tim Tams are yummy and i have to hide from my friends now lol
spat
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"Box associated with pistols"
That is the bullshit right there.
A glock logo is not probable cause that the box contains a pistol.
Certainly not a generic pistol safe.
You guys have stretched reasonable suspicion and probable cause far beyond anything actually reasonable.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
wish she had a pistol in hand and not a locked box .. persay @Truebeliever
A computer check reveals that the person has a an order of protection against them.
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A computer check reveals that the person has a an order of protection against them.
N.J. gun association calls Berlin woman's death an 'absolute outrage'
When Carol Bowne was fatally stabbed by an ex-boyfriend late Wednesday night just outside her Berlin home, she had been waiting since mid April. Although she had filed a restraining order against suspect Michael Eitel, 45, the man attacked her shortly after 10 p.m. upon Bowne's arrival at her...
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The answer is what are the other factors in the fact pattern. What if the person stopped was traveling at 2 in the morning when gun ranges are closed and they don’t present a permit?
It’s not a simple yes or no.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I’m just explaining search and seizure.wish she had a pistol in hand and not a locked box .. persay @Truebeliever
A computer check reveals that the person has a an order of protection against them.
N.J. gun association calls Berlin woman's death an 'absolute outrage'
When Carol Bowne was fatally stabbed by an ex-boyfriend late Wednesday night just outside her Berlin home, she had been waiting since mid April. Although she had filed a restraining order against suspect Michael Eitel, 45, the man attacked her shortly after 10 p.m. upon Bowne's arrival at her...
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
im out hunting yotes at 2AM .. not people ..
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
And the simple answers is ,, i do not consent to search .. and i don't answer questions .. ask my lawyer
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Nope. Don’t let principals get in the way of reality.
If I saw a certain Fanny pack on someone, I know it’s used as a holster. It’s more probable than not that a gun is in there. Probable cause is not the high standard you think it is. It’s 51% that is more probable than not, there is a gun is in there.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Fine. And if they take the case, verbally object to it but they might be within their power to do so.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
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spat
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And how is that metric tracked ? You have any data to suggest that certain boxes in the possession of prohibited persons contain guns more than half the time ?
Or is it like that one sheriff who insisted his guys training was more accurate than blood tests in identifying people under the influence ?
“When you brought up that you had a clean blood test when complaining to Internal Affairs, their answer was what?” Keefe asked.
“They said, ‘Yeah, we see this happen all the time. Um, the test results come back wrong all the time,'” she said.
Magical Cop Detects Drugs Better Than Blood Tests; Continues To Lock Innocent People Up
In court filings, testimony, and warrant affidavits, law enforcement officers refer constantly to their “training and expertise.” Given enough time on the job and enough laser-printed c…
www.techdirt.com
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
And how is that metric tracked ? You have any data to suggest that certain boxes in the possession of prohibited persons contain guns more than half the time ?
Or is it like that one sheriff who insisted his guys training was more accurate than blood tests in identifying people under the influence ?
Magical Cop Detects Drugs Better Than Blood Tests; Continues To Lock Innocent People Up
In court filings, testimony, and warrant affidavits, law enforcement officers refer constantly to their “training and expertise.” Given enough time on the job and enough laser-printed c…
no data needed .. ask the NY governor lol
Kathy Hochul says she doesn't need proof that gun control keeps anyone safe
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul declared that she didn’t need any statistics to justify preventing people who qualify from acquiring concealed carry permits. Of course, she says that because she doesn’t have any statistics. In fact, the statistics show the opposite.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
ECU Pirates
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Ranges don’t close here. We have access to indoor gun clubs 24/7 playa
ECU Pirates
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The 5th should be evoked whenever you have any doubt. If any cop wants to do anything stfu and call a lawyer if needed. It’s that simple. These Leo’s aren’t your friends. They might not be an enemy, but they aren’t friends.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
So if the officer sees an Springfield XD plastic box with a lock on it, it’s not probable that there is a gun in it? Get real.And how is that metric tracked ? You have any data to suggest that certain boxes in the possession of prohibited persons contain guns more than half the time ?
Or is it like that one sheriff who insisted his guys training was more accurate than blood tests in identifying people under the influence ?
“When you brought up that you had a clean blood test when complaining to Internal Affairs, their answer was what?” Keefe asked.
“They said, ‘Yeah, we see this happen all the time. Um, the test results come back wrong all the time,'” she said.
Magical Cop Detects Drugs Better Than Blood Tests; Continues To Lock Innocent People Up
In court filings, testimony, and warrant affidavits, law enforcement officers refer constantly to their “training and expertise.” Given enough time on the job and enough laser-printed c…
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It depends on what happened. Two people get into altercation with injuries.The police show up. One person decides to remain silent, the other person tells his side and how the other guy started it. Who do you think the police are going to arrest even if the guy who is talking actually started it. One goes to jail, has a court case and the other is seen as the victim.
That’s just one example.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
LMAO ..
my O/U skeet gun is sleeping shhh .. in a sock lol
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
It’s about circumstances and the totality of them.
Let’s change it up. The driver stopped have an out of state license. The place of the car stop is far away from any interstate travel ways. There is a locked XD box with a lock on it( box that comes with the gun.
It’s probable cause that there is a gun in the box.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
You have any data to show that it is ?
I have lots of gun boxes. Glock, springfield, FN, all sorts. Almost none of them don't have any guns in them (the guns are in the safe).
Sorry, there are just too many dishonest and incompetent cops out there for us to just let you "trust your gut" anymore.
I think every officer should have to fill out paperwork every single time they exercise any search requiring probable cause *before* they conduct the search.
Then they should analyze that paperwork and any officer who doesn't find exactly the thing they said they were looking for at least 50% of the time is deemed to no longer be able to recognize probable cause, and will need to get another officer to sign off before any such searches until they manage to get their accuracy back over 50%.
If you want to use "the smell of Marijuana" as an excuse to search a car, you damn well better be able to prove you can identify that smell accurately in the real world.
Goes for everything similar.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That’s not a locked container . No search warrant required.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Is it probable ?
What evidence do you have that people in those circumstances are more likely to have an illegal gun than an empty box ?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The “ trust the gut” of a reasonable person with his experience and training is the standard .
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
the gun is in a fkin box .. so WHAT DID IT DO ??
JUMP OUT OUT AND SHOOT THE TOWN UP ??
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Are you claiming that such a container in plain view would justify a search of the car for a gun ?
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I am explaining search and seizure. You can disagree with the law of what would be found but it doesn’t change what I am telling you