NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[BerettaGuy]

Marching orders?
The new normal?
Tactics that "we" should be considering?
Or: Just do nothing and let them make illegal laws without consequence.
Asking for a friend.

Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh Forced to Escape DC Steakhouse Through Back Due to Protestors

Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh exited a Washington, D.C., steakhouse this week through the back door due to protesters, reported Politico.

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This is "HUGE". Marching orders from the office of the President.
What restaurants do Houchl and Cuomo frequent?
Get off your butts and relish in our democracy!
Yes, I know the US is a Republic, but NY State is a democracy.

 

[Grimscale]

Get off your butts and relish in our democracy!
Yes, I know the US is a Republic, but NY State is a democracy.

NY is not a democracy. It's an autocracy. It just so happens that the one person how wields the power is subject to change, but only when selected from a very specific group.

The left may cheer seeing their "opponents" driven from public places, but eventually those who merely wish to live their lives in peace and be left alone will realize that the "Left" won't leave them alone.
Then all hell is going to break loose.

 

[spat]

I refuse because I am right. Does anyone commenting have an experience in search and seazure? Have they ever done a search warrant or even made an arrest. And if they have made an arrest, have they made a pick up arrest on a car stop ?
They don’t know what they are talking about.

We have no doubt that is the way the law works in NY.

We are saying it shouldn't be.

 

[spat]

When did the unsolved murder rates go up recently? When police stopped enforcing the small stuff too. The same happened in the 1960s until the early 90s where the thought was let police concentrate on the big stuff. It has never worked. It’s enforcement of the small stuff that has led to solving crimes. Come on. We can name the famous cases . A parking ticket caught the Son of Sam. A taillight was Joel Ritkin, the Long Island serial killer. Someone picked up on something minor rats out the information that leads to the killer or other major criminal. Or that minor arrest comes back to haunt them. That happened to Pablo Escobar. It happens to a lot of the killers . How do think their fingerprints get into the system in the first place? And if their prints arent in the system yet, when the fingerprints from that minor arrest gets in the system , it will be compared to the prints from a murder scene.. Small stuff leads to the bigger stuff.
The reason why unsolved murders are now high is that police aren’t enforcing small stuff the way they used to just a few years ago.

U.S. crime clearance rate by type 2023 | Statista

In 2023, murder and manslaughter charges had the highest crime clearance rate in the United States, with 57.8 percent of all cases being cleared by arrest or so-called exceptional means.

www.statista.com

54% clearance rate means nearly half of murders go unsolved.

Maybe that's because you guys are relying on broken taillights and parking tickets to catch them.

Maybe you should stop wasting resources on bullshit and actually investigate stuff.

 

[fresch]

So I was pulled over for having a gallon of roofing tar, A new feather pillow, A fence rail and charged with weapons of war!
All because I wouldn't let them open my tin of mints that some people carry drugs in.
Ok not really but in NY could be true.

 

[Truebeliever]

We have no doubt that is the way the law works in NY.

We are saying it shouldn't be.

It’s how it works nationwide. And until relatively recently, the police wouldn’t even need a warrant.

 

[Truebeliever]

U.S. crime clearance rate by type 2023 | Statista

In 2023, murder and manslaughter charges had the highest crime clearance rate in the United States, with 57.8 percent of all cases being cleared by arrest or so-called exceptional means.

www.statista.com

54% clearance rate means nearly half of murders go unsolved.

Maybe that's because you guys are relying on broken taillights and parking tickets to catch them.

Maybe you should stop wasting resources on bullshit and actually investigate stuff.

When cops did stop people for taillights and such, the unsolved murder rates were less than 10% in many jurisdictions. When did the unsolved rate go up,? AFTER cops stopped enforcing the small things.

Go to NYC as an example. Their homicide rate was over 2000 and it was dropped to under 500. How? They started to enforce the small things. Crime is up because their woke DAs no longer prosecute the small things like petit larceny or even having summons warrants.

 

[Deplorable Me]

So people being stalked or under order of protection won't be able to carry as needed in public. I hope judges consider what unhappy defendants do and actions like those in the article below are taken into account when decision making.

ShutDownDC group offers bounties on Twitter for public sightings of conservative Supreme Court justices | Fox News

Twitter's policies prohibit 'behavior that encourages others to harass'

www.foxnews.com

 

[Truebeliever]

So people being stalked or under order of protection won't be able to carry as needed in public. I hope judges consider what unhappy defendants do and actions like those in the article below are taken into account when decision making.

ShutDownDC group offers bounties on Twitter for public sightings of conservative Supreme Court justices | Fox News

Twitter's policies prohibit 'behavior that encourages others to harass'

www.foxnews.com

That is definitely an issue with this law or even some of the past restrictions.

 

[Jmac00]

LOL, love it

 

[spat]

When cops did stop people for taillights and such, the unsolved murder rates were less than 10% in many jurisdictions. When did the unsolved rate go up,? AFTER cops stopped enforcing the small things.

Go to NYC as an example. Their homicide rate was over 2000 and it was dropped to under 500. How? They started to enforce the small things. Crime is up because their woke DAs no longer prosecute the small things like petit larceny or even having summons warrants.

I DON'T CARE how effective that bullshit was.

It was wrong.

You could cut crime 90% if you just switched to the old German model of "the police can do what they want, and whatever they say is the truth".

The bottom line is that many good people are more afraid of the cops than the bad guys.

Right here on this site, I bet a lot of people are more concerned they'll be caught up in the new NYS CC stupidity than they are of being mugged.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Don't get so pissy right away.

I go to NY, I go to PA. In NY I have (had, I guess) an unrestricted. Same for PA. Day to day life in either state is (until September) the same as anywhere else.

Yes, many states have renewals. I have almost a dozen licenses and they all renew. Virginia needs fingerprinting every 5 years. New Hampshire needs $100. Utah needs an all-day class upon first application. Some are mail-order, some you have to drive there. When I was on Long Island, I drove to PA every 5 years.

Even in Vermont, which has been Constitutional Carry since before there was a Constitution has some restricted areas and pretty much always had.

British sympathizer.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

LOL, love it

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This guy would make a killing selling those

 

[SomeSoldier]

I DON'T CARE how effective that bullshit was.

It was wrong.

You could cut crime 90% if you just switched to the old German model of "the police can do what they want, and whatever they say is the truth".

The bottom line is that many good people are more afraid of the cops than the bad guys.

Right here on this site, I bet a lot of people are more concerned they'll be caught up in the new NYS CC stupidity than they are of being mugged.

I am never happy to see police car or officer. Sherrifs Deputies I feel indifferent about. I view state troopers as the KGB or Gestapo.

Police and troopers are policy enforcing revenue generators.

Sherrifs seem to have a balance between protect and server and revenue generation.

This is my opinion based on observations.

If I had my way I would remove all police regardless of state or local designation and only have Sherrifs and Deputies because the people elect sherrifs and should be beholden to the people.

 

[Truebeliever]

I am never happy to see police car or officer. Sherrifs Deputies I feel indifferent about. I view state troopers as the KGB or Gestapo.

Police and troopers are policy enforcing revenue generators.

Sherrifs seem to have a balance between protect and server and revenue generation.

This is my opinion based on observations.

If I had my way I would remove all police regardless of state or local designation and only have Sherrifs and Deputies because the people elect sherrifs and should be beholden to the people.

God help you if you were an outsider traveling through. The sheriff would have no interest in being fair to you because you can’t vote for him. A new sheriff comes in, old deputies get forced out, etc etc. There were a lot problems when the sheriffs were the only game in town.

 

[Truebeliever]

I DON'T CARE how effective that bullshit was.

It was wrong.

You could cut crime 90% if you just switched to the old German model of "the police can do what they want, and whatever they say is the truth".

The bottom line is that many good people are more afraid of the cops than the bad guys.

Right here on this site, I bet a lot of people are more concerned they'll be caught up in the new NYS CC stupidity than they are of being mugged.

That’s less about the police then it is about the stupid law.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The answer is what are the other factors in the fact pattern. What if the person stopped was traveling at 2 in the morning when gun ranges are closed and they don’t present a permit?
It’s not a simple yes or no.

Why should I have to present a permit for a constitutionally protected right?

What happened to I would rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to jail?

 

[Truebeliever]

Why should I have to present a permit for a constitutionally protected right?

What happened to I would rather a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to jail?

The question of the gun permit v constitutional carry is a different question. This question was toward a fact pattern of search and seizure.

 

[SomeSoldier]

So if the officer sees an Springfield XD plastic box with a lock on it, it’s not probable that there is a gun in it? Get real.

If you could be sued if you were wrong I would bet that more than not you wouldn't assume that.

I want cops to put their money and careers where the mouths are. No more immunity.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The question of the gun permit v constitutional carry is a different question. This question was toward a fact pattern of search and seizure.

Nope I don't think so. Because if there wasn't a permit to present then how would the situation change? Because you said if they presented their permit.

 

[Tisto]

So I was pulled over for having a gallon of roofing tar, A new feather pillow, A fence rail and charged with weapons of war!
All because I wouldn't let them open my tin of mints that some people carry drugs in.
Ok not really but in NY could be true.

With certain LEO's here, yes.

 

[SomeSoldier]

God help you if you were an outsider traveling through. The sheriff would have no interest in being fair to you because you can’t vote for him. A new sheriff comes in, old deputies get forced out, etc etc. There were a lot problems when the sheriffs were the only game in town.

Because troopers and police beholden to the government are better.

 

[SomeSoldier]

It doesn’t apply here. That’s Canada. There are plenty cases here that says you can’t do it.
Go look at what “ sovereign citizens” movement . How does that hold up in court.
Is that movement you are part of?

Yes because a corrupt government with corrupt courts will always rule in favor of someone challenging them.

 

[Tisto]

Why do you feel the need to fish for a bigger crime than the broken tail light in the first place ?
So you pull someone over for a tail light. You run his license, and it comes back as a prohibited person. Why do you feel the need to inspect the contents of his car at that point ? He did something wrong in the past, so he's probably doing something wrong now ?

Whatever happened to presumption of innocence ?

 

[nortatoga]

 

[SomeSoldier]

You can do either, I'm curious as to why @Egret-II submitted an amendment yet. Do we even know if amendments are still required with restricted permits? What will the new process be if you have a restricted carry permit? I would think the restrictions are moot at this point.

This restrictions don't exist anyone. Enjoy your freedom until sept.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Let's just be real.


Gun ownership and the gun hobbies are all but dead now in this state. Dead.

Carry is dead. You can't carry in your car? Dead.


We've allowed a city of brainwashed sycophants determine our future.

There's nothing here to be saved..


Scorched earth.

We know what to do. When will we be prepared to do it?

 

[SomeSoldier]

Utter bullshit.

Ammo cans are far more likely to carry something that isn't ammo.

Are you trying to claim that prohibited persons are *more* likely to keep their guns in ammo cans than legal gun owners are ?

Just because courts will buy that bullshit against someone who can't afford a decent lawyer doesn't make it not bullshit.

If we just went back to either you are in jail or you are a US citizen with all your rights then all these bs "gray areas" would no longer exist.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Right here on this site, I bet a lot of people are more concerned they'll be caught up in the new NYS CC stupidity than they are of being mugged.

This.

 

[Truebeliever]

If you could be sued if you were wrong I would bet that more than not you wouldn't assume that.

I want cops to put their money and careers where the mouths are. No more immunity.

Sued in getting warrant? Or sued in getting an arrest off it? Big difference.
. Cops do get sued if they make mistakes on search and seizure if their actions aren’t reasonable.
Is it reasonable to believe that a gun box has a gun in it? . Not only reasonable but it’s more probable than not. This is as opposed to just a locked metal box. Big difference in the fact pattern. HUGE.
If someone saw a closed box labeled explosives, they aren’t supposed to treat it as if there were explosives in the box?

You know if there is a locked Springfield XD box in the car that it’s more probable than not that there is a gun in the lock than not. The real problem you are having is you feel the police shouldn’t be looking for the gun rather the truth of the situation that there is a high probability of a gun in that box.