NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Edwardteach72]

Copied and pasted Newsweek article:

Gov. Kathy Hochul and legislative leaders were finalizing an agreement Monday to amend New York’s concealed-weapons permitting process — adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example — when the State Legislature convenes Thursday.
Lawmakers are planning to return to the State Capitol for an “extraordinary session” to address a U.S. Supreme Court decision last week striking down the state’s century-old concealed-carry law. The court effectively said New York’s criteria for issuing permits was too subjective.
In reaction, the governor and leaders of the Senate and Assembly were planning to change the law in two major ways: Adding some objective requirements, such as a minimum amount of training and a background check, and detailing a list of “sensitive areas,” such as public transit, where concealed weapons would be outlawed.

Some of the terms being discussed include “live-fire training,” which the state doesn’t mandate now for a concealed-weapon permit, a source said. Applicants also might be required to complete an in-person interview with a licensing agent.
Sensitive areas might include transportation hubs, courts, schools, playgrounds, libraries, municipally owned stadiums and any place serving alcohol.

The governor indicated lawmakers want to give private businesses the authority to keep guns off their premises. Sources said businesses would have to affirmatively “opt in” to declare they are allowing guns. The default position would be for businesses to prohibit guns.
“We’re going to have sensitive places identified, where you cannot bring guns. It will not be on subways. It will not be on buses,” Hochul told reporters Monday. “We’re going to have a whole host of places restricted.”
She added: “We’re also looking at increasing the requirements for receiving a pistol permit — enhanced training, safe storage."
The Supreme Court struck down a New York law, on the books since 1913, that placed limits on carrying guns outside the home.
The court said the old state law was too restrictive because it required applicants for a concealed-carry gun permit to show “proper cause” and “good moral character,” which were too vague and subjective.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, in a concurring opinion, said New York and six other states impacted by the ruling still “may continue to require licenses for carrying handguns for self-defense so long as those states employ objective licensing requirements” used by 43 other states.
Analysts zeroed in on that passage, saying it provides New York lawmakers a path for action.
“New York can still have a permit law. But will have to do it within the confines of the new … standard,” Robert Spitzer, distinguished service professor emeritus at SUNY Cortland and author of “The Politics of Gun Control,” told Newsday last week.
With Michael Gormley

@camper4lyfe

 

[masterswimmer]

Can you cite the permit issuing rules of all the counties at the other end of the State from you ? No ? I didn't think so. You know why ? Because it doesn't affect you.

Nobody said you need to learn the rules and regulations of the Shitty. Same as me not knowing the rules and regs in every county across the state. However, I didn't say I don't give a shit about what they do there. You did. I do care what they do there, most importantly in the elections. Those votes count statewide and most definitely affect me.

It's important for all of us with a similar mindset to care. Then, maybe, we can effect change. As unlikely as that may be in the gulag.

 

[Tisto]

It was a comment on how they already have their plan lined up and nothing said on this forum “ gave” them the idea.
And maybe you in cow country should pay attention because downstate controls the state government and is forcing these things on you like the SAFE act or the new permits for semi auto rifles.

Does me paying attention to the Rotten Apple and all it's bullshit allow me to change anything it does ? No. NYC will do whatever it wants, and I have no say in it no matter who I vote for.

You acted as if my predictions were all currently in effect In the Rotten Apple. Maybe some of them are, maybe not. I don't know because you're 400 miles away and whatever they do in that shithole is their business, not mine. The SCOTUS ruling may affect NYC residents to some extent, but the reprehensible bitch that has installed herself as Governor will take this out on the rest of us.

 

[Tisto]

Nobody said you need to learn the rules and regulations of the Shitty. Same as me not knowing the rules and regs in every county across the state. However, I didn't say I don't give a shit about what they do there. You did. I do care what they do there, most importantly in the elections. Those votes count statewide and most definitely affect me.

It's important for all of us with a similar mindset to care. Then, maybe, we can effect change. As unlikely as that may be in the gulag.

No amount mf me caring what others do is going to change what they do.

It's not that I don't care per se, it's that I realize that I can't change what they do.

 

[byron]

I thought "safe storage" laws were already thrown out?

3. The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment . The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional.

 

[livingston]

I am sure there have been conference calls with all the other states reworking their language on guns ... Even with the feds

 

[BerettaGuy]

"adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example". Is that before or after the permit is issued.
The way article 400 is written. people that don't have a permit can not handle a "firearm". Like a catch 22

 

[camper4lyfe]

So, requiring live fire firearms training will reduce gun crime and mass shootings. Since criminals follow the licensing process making sure they are a good shot will save lives. Got it.

Live fire training with firearms you're not allowed to touch, no less.

 

[camper4lyfe]

"adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example". Is that before or after the permit is issued.
The way article 400 is written. people that don't have a permit can not handle a "firearm". Like a catch 22

Exactly. I makes you wonder if they're pulling that on purpose.

 

[FP1201]

She’s just being a petulant bitch and a sore loser.

Show me a Democrat that isn't.

 

[livingston]

I believe in Monroe county years ago one had to purchase a gun before you could apply for a permit.... You could never receive it before the permit came. ... Talk about a lay away cluster fuck....

 

[Edwardteach72]

I believe in Monroe county years ago one had to purchase a gun before you could apply for a permit.... You could never receive it before the permit came. ... Talk about a lay away cluster fuck....

I've heard of that about counties doing this. But the more I think about it the more it sounds like fudd lore , who knows

 

[camper4lyfe]

I've heard of that about counties doing this. But the more I think about it the more it sounds like fudd lore , who knows

It's a thing. There's shops that have actually set up a "gun" to buy specifically to put on the permit. It's something like a block of wood with a serial number on it. You put down a deposit for this "gun", but it on your permit, then once you get the permit, apply that deposit to the real gun that you buy, add the new gun, and take the "deposit gun" off.

 

[kev74]

I believe in Monroe county years ago one had to purchase a gun before you could apply for a permit.... You could never receive it before the permit came. ... Talk about a lay away cluster fuck....

I've heard of that about counties doing this. But the more I think about it the more it sounds like fudd lore , who knows

That is what I had to do in Orange County when I got my pistol permit about 15 years ago. They were still making people buy a gun as a condition of applying for a permit up until about 5 years ago.

Imagine the hilarity if your permit was denied, or the FFL went out of business in the 6 months to a year between applying and receiving your permit.

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm thinking they could set up metal detectors at the entry way to all riot zones and crack houses.

They will be off of BLM riots.

 

[Truebeliever]

Does me paying attention to the Rotten Apple and all it's bullshit allow me to change anything it does ? No. NYC will do whatever it wants, and I have no say in it no matter who I vote for.

You acted as if my predictions were all currently in effect In the Rotten Apple. Maybe some of them are, maybe not. I don't know because you're 400 miles away and whatever they do in that shithole is their business, not mine. The SCOTUS ruling may affect NYC residents to some extent, but the reprehensible bitch that has installed herself as Governor will take this out on the rest of us.

It sounds like you are taking your anger out on me and the others who are trapped with these people.
Yes, all of these anti gun attempts by anti gunners have been tried either down here, Chicago or California first. It’s important to see which ones succeeded, which failed and why.
You have choices to make as to their attempts and the risks of your future choices .

 

[masterswimmer]

No amount mf me caring what others do is going to change what they do.

It's not that I don't care per se, it's that I realize that I can't change what they do.

Not caring what they do in NYC is not the point. Can't change them. As long as you and your country brothers and sisters get out to vote, that's what matters. Too many times I hear people make the same 'WhoTF cares about NY Shitty' comments and say their vote won't count or change anything. That's what gets me all worked up.

Between the FUDDS and the apathetic Republicans who don't vote we can effect change. It requires a mindset to work as a team though. We have the numbers. It takes an effort.

 

[Jmac00]

It was a comment on how they already have their plan lined up and nothing said on this forum “ gave” them the idea.
And maybe you in cow country should pay attention because downstate controls the state government and is forcing these things on you like the SAFE act or the new permits for semi auto rifles.

and how many of us are actually following these laws? once again we have to invoke the old saying: Its called CONCEALED for a reason.

im not going to disclose how, where, or when I carry. but I do my own thing, regardless of what the shitheads in Albany, or any other state says for that matter, and no one will ever know, until they mess up.

If criminals can get away with it, then Im going to be a criminal.
ya, I know what your thinking "Great, another keyboard warrior" thats cool, I really have no interest in pleasing anyone, especially the control freaks in .gov

 

[Truebeliever]

and how many of us are actually following these laws? once again we have to invoke the old saying: Its called CONCEALED for a reason.

im not going to disclose how, where, or when I carry. but I do my own thing, regardless of what the shitheads in Albany, or any other state says for that matter, and no one will ever know, until they mess up.

If criminals can get away with it, then Im going to be a criminal.
ya, I know what your thinking "Great, another keyboard warrior" thats cool, I really have no interest in pleasing anyone, especially the control freaks in .gov

That’s what I meant by choice. You should know the risk of your choice . Personally, I am going to stay within the legal framework. If I can’t have legally have magazines over 10 rounds, they won’t be in my possession. I intend to stay within the legal framework.
If they make crazy laws but make a security guard exception, I will go out and get a security guard license. But that’s my choice.
But if you get caught , don’t expect or complain that someone else isn’t willing to risk their job, career, or freedom for your choice.

 

[Rap]

"Moral character"
That is (one area) where Hochul will try to screw gun owners.
Remember that she is looking to fold in a review of applicants' social media history when applying for/renewing licenses. Any references to drug use, violence, religious/political/racial/LGBT animus toward others will become disqualifiers. This, along with expanded red flag mechanisms are the playgrounds of tyranny.

 

[livingston]

"Moral character"
That is (one area) where Hochul will try to screw gun owners.
Remember that she is looking to fold in a review of applicants' social media history when applying for/renewing licenses. Any references to drug use, violence, religious/political/racial/LGBT animus toward others will become disqualifiers. This, along with expanded red flag mechanisms are the playgrounds of tyranny.

So true .. Object to anything the left wants ... Denied....

 

[meketrefe]

GovernorsAboveTheLaw.com

 

[GTN]

I believe in Monroe county years ago one had to purchase a gun before you could apply for a permit.... You could never receive it before the permit came. ... Talk about a lay away cluster fuck....

Yep back in the early 80’s

 

[Bozo]

Question (if this is not the right place. Move it please) do you need 4 character references for NYC pistol permit?

I think that nonsense will have to be removed state-wide, if we go by the intent of the ruling. Character references are inherently subjective. Same thing with the in-person interview. Not that I expect the various issuing authorities will actually remove these requirements. They will drag their feet for another hundred years until these are challenged in the higher courts.

 

[Steal2B]

Exclusive: NY lawmakers to vote on new gun legislation later this week

A vote is expected on Thursday.

www.ny1.com

Exclusive: NY lawmakers to vote on new gun legislation later this week​

Under the new law, guns would be banned from hospitals, schools, government buildings, mass transit and places where alcohol is served, sources say.

Other businesses would have to explicitly say that they allow guns on their property.

Unlike the state's previous law, the standards for obtaining a pistol permit will be uniform across the state.
The requirements will include:

• Fifteen to 20 hours of new training
• More extensive background checks
• Greater requirements for safe storage of guns in homes

 

[Truebeliever]

Does anyone realize how these new laws will effect minority employment? How are security guards supposed to get to work in NYC city if they can’t use mass transit?
Ban guns from hospitals? So if a permit holder gets hurt he should just leave v the gun unsecured in the street? Smart move, huh?

 

[Acer-m14]

where do i get 15 to 20 hours of Voting Training and Live Voting Practice .. can i do that by mail in ?

will i need a in person voting interview before i register and pay and get finger printed .. ?

 

[Acer-m14]

Exclusive: NY lawmakers to vote on new gun legislation later this week

A vote is expected on Thursday.

www.ny1.com

Exclusive: NY lawmakers to vote on new gun legislation later this week​

Under the new law, guns would be banned from hospitals, schools, government buildings, mass transit and places where alcohol is served, sources say.

Other businesses would have to explicitly say that they allow guns on their property.

Unlike the state's previous law, the standards for obtaining a pistol permit will be uniform across the state.
The requirements will include:

• Fifteen to 20 hours of new training
• More extensive background checks
• Greater requirements for safe storage of guns in homes

"Under the new law, guns would be banned from hospitals, schools, government buildings, mass transit and places where alcohol is served, sources say.

"Other businesses would have to explicitly say that they allow guns on their property."

So are they liable if i get shot there if they don't allow ?


"
Unlike the state's previous law, the standards for obtaining a pistol permit will be uniform across the state.
The requirements will include:

• Fifteen to 20 hours of new training ... cant touch a pistol with out a permit you fucking ding bat ..
• More extensive background checks ... don't see that in the history and text of the 2A ..
• Greater requirements for safe storage of guns in homes .. already ruled on .. unconstitutional

lets just add all them laws on all the RIGHTS .. you can do it bitch

here i will help ..

Unlike the state's previous law, the standards for obtaining a Voting permit will be uniform across the state.
The requirements will include:

• Fifteen to 20 hours of new training ...
• More extensive background checks ...
• Greater requirements for safe storage of voting papers in homes ..

 

[Cavalry]

"adding 15-20 hours of training, including live-fire practice, for example". Is that before or after the permit is issued.
The way article 400 is written. people that don't have a permit can not handle a "firearm". Like a catch 22

Fulton county has violated this for decades, no one cares. Many years ago when I got my permit, the class instructor was a deputy sherrif who passed pistols around the class for the applicants to gain familiarization. The more modern version of this class includes live fire of a pistol at an indoor range.
How many (legal) shooting ranges are there in Manhattan? Where would NYC applicants even take a class lol? All part of the design.

 

[Different Drummer]

Yep back in the early 80’s

I believe in Monroe county years ago one had to purchase a gun before you could apply for a permit.... You could never receive it before the permit came. ... Talk about a lay away cluster fuck....

Unless something has changed that I am unaware of, that is exactly how it is done in Saratoga county.