NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Tisto]

Come on now guys, quit attacking this man for defending his tactics. We ALL know that without a doubt, EVERY person wearing a Harley Davidson T-shirt owns a Harley, Everyone wearing a Fender T-shirt plays a Telecaster, Everyone with a wilson duffle bag plays tennis, Everyone wearing Air Jordan's plays basketball, and Everyone with a Glock case is a mass murderer.

It just stands to reason ! Oh, wait...


No, I guess those are all just suppositions,and if you actually looked, you would find that more likely than not, NONE of those are true.

 

[Blackjack]

So all my plastic boxes and cases are going in plain view with a lock scattered throughout my cars?

Maybe leave one on the roof when I go into a store?

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

So all my plastic boxes and cases are going in plain view with a lock scattered throughout my cars?

Maybe leave one on the roof when I go into a store?

cable lock it to the roof rack

 

[CaliberPlus]

Ok, I skipped some pages.
As to the two year storage for FFL, has to be done by an "approved source" and able to be centraly monitored.

2. THE DEALER'S BUSINESS PREMISES SHALL BE SECURED BY A SECURITY ALARM
SYSTEM THAT IS INSTALLED AND MAINTAINED BY A SECURITY ALARM OPERATOR
PROPERLY LICENSED PURSUANT TO ARTICLE SIX-D OF THIS CHAPTER. STANDARDS
FOR SUCH SECURITY ALARM SYSTEMS SHALL BE ESTABLISHED BY THE SUPERINTEN-
DENT IN REGULATION. SUCH SECURITY ALARM SYSTEMS MAY BE DEVELOPED BY A
FEDERAL OR STATE AGENCY, A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION, OR ANOTHER
ENTITY SPECIALIZING IN SECURITY ALARM STANDARDS APPROVED BY THE SUPER-
INTENDENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS ACT. THE SECURITY ALARM SYSTEM SHALL
BE CAPABLE OF BEING MONITORED BY A CENTRAL STATION, AND SHALL PROVIDE,
AT A MINIMUM, COMPLETE PROTECTION AND MONITORING FOR ALL ACCESSIBLE
OPENINGS, AND PARTIAL MOTION AND SOUND DETECTION AT CERTAIN OTHER AREAS
OF THE PREMISES. THE DEALER LOCATION SHALL ADDITIONALLY BE EQUIPPED
WITH A VIDEO RECORDING DEVICE AT EACH POINT OF SALE AND EACH ENTRANCE
AND EXIT TO THE PREMISES, WHICH SHALL BE RECORDED FROM BOTH THE INDOOR
S. 4970--A 4
AND OUTDOOR VANTAGE POINT AND SHALL MAINTAIN SUCH RECORDINGS FOR A PERI-
OD OF NOT LESS THAN TWO YEARS.


This is just one section of #s4970a that has been signed into law. Please note that this requires an outside agency, with central monitoring, shall record all entrances and POS for at last two years. They want audio as well. So, the camera system we have will not be up to "standard".
This is just a small portion of one law. There's lots more in this one and the nine others.
I keep hearing people say the SC ruling will make these laws null and void. It does NOT work like that. Each law has to be challenged.


From my FB page. Can we say facial recognition?

 

[CaliberPlus]

Then there is this:
12. Records required of gunsmiths and dealers in firearms. [Any] IN
ADDITION TO THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN ARTICLE THIRTY-NINE-BB OF THE
GENERAL BUSINESS LAW, ANY person licensed as gunsmith or dealer in
firearms shall keep a record book approved as to form, except in the
city of New York, by the superintendent of state police. In the record
book shall be entered at the time of every transaction involving a
firearm the date, name, age, occupation and residence of any person from
whom a firearm is received or to whom a firearm is delivered, and the
calibre, make, model, manufacturer's name and serial number, or if none,
any other distinguishing number or identification mark on such firearm.
Before delivering a firearm to any person, the licensee shall require
him to produce either a license valid under this section to carry or
possess the same, or proof of lawful authority as an exempt person
pursuant to section 265.20 of this chapter and either (a) the National
Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) or its successor has
issued a "proceed" response to the licensee, or (b) thirty calendar days
have elapsed since the date the licensee contacted NICS to initiate a
national instant criminal background check and NICS has not notified the
licensee that the transfer of the firearm to such person should be
denied. In addition, before delivering a firearm to a peace officer, the
licensee shall verify that person's status as a peace officer with the
division of state police. After completing the foregoing, the licensee
shall remove and retain the attached coupon and enter in the record book
the date of such license, number, if any, and name of the licensing
officer, in the case of the holder of a license to carry or possess, or
the shield or other number, if any, assignment and department, unit or
agency, in the case of an exempt person. The original transaction report
shall be forwarded to the division of state police within ten days of
S. 4970--A 7
delivering a firearm to any person, and a duplicate copy shall be kept
by the licensee. The superintendent of state police may designate that
such record shall be completed and transmitted in electronic form. A
dealer may be granted a waiver from transmitting such records in elec-
tronic form if the superintendent determines that such dealer is incapa-
ble of such transmission due to technological limitations that are not
reasonably within the control of the dealer, or other exceptional
circumstances demonstrated by the dealer, pursuant to a process estab-
lished in regulation, and at the discretion of the superintendent.
Records assembled or collected for purposes of inclusion in the database
created pursuant to section 400.02 of this article shall not be subject
to disclosure pursuant to article six of the public officers law. The
record book shall be maintained on the premises mentioned and described
in the license and shall be open at all reasonable hours for inspection
by any peace officer, acting pursuant to his special duties, or police
officer. In the event of cancellation or revocation of the license for
gunsmith or dealer in firearms, or discontinuance of business by a
licensee, such record book shall be immediately surrendered to the
licensing officer in the city of New York, and in the counties of Nassau
and Suffolk, and elsewhere in the state to the executive department,
division of state police.
This is way beyong the current criteria from the ATF for gunsmithing. The way I am understanding it, bring a gun in for repair, to get it back one either has to have a "license" (notice not exemptin for shotgun} or do a NICS check. The gun information, make model, serial number and owner is all sent to the state.
So, the rifle your grandpa gave you will be a in a registry if it has seen a gunsmith. Along with the owner's name and address.
With such a database, my how convenient for hackers to be able to break into the registry and find make, model and owner's address. Of course the state will make sure it is secure and never hacked. (SARCASM)

 

[Truebeliever]

If you pull over a 100 guys for a tail light and hope to find a murderer or terrorist in the bunch, then that's blindly searching.

If you pull over 100 people for a broken tail light but look for other indicators of other crimes, it’s not blindly searching .
Here is your terrorist example but for lot
A state police spokesman said trooper Robert Cieplenski noticed Kikumura loitering at the Vince Lombardi rest station in Ridgefield, N.J. about 7 a.m. Tuesday. When the trooper approached Kikumura, the suspect dashed to his 1980 Mazda and drove off.

Cieplenski caught up with Kikumura and arrested him, officials said. He showed an international driving permit, issued in Tokyo on Jan. 20, 1988. He also presented a New York State temporary identity card with a Manhattan address.

As the trooper was examining these documents, he noticed a flight bag on the rear seat of the car. According to an FBI affidavit, the bag was open and contained six cardboard canisters with the words “black powder” written on them. On the floor of the car, the trooper found an open box containing three steel canisters loaded with gunpowder and attached with wires. He placed Kikumura, who was carrying $3,600 in cash and a Swiss bank account card, under arrest.”

Suspected Terrorist Arrested in N.J. : FBI Launches Intense Probe After Trooper Stops Japanese Man

A 35-year-old Japanese citizen who was seized on the New Jersey Turnpike while transporting three sophisticated anti-personnel bombs was held without bail Friday as a massive FBI investigation sought to determine whether he is a member of the Japanese Red Army terrorist organization.

www.latimes.com

Most drunk drivers are pulled over for traffic offenses before being discovered.

Another example of small stuff leading to the bigger stuff

Troopers stop to help driver on I-80 and find $75K worth of heroin in the car

The officers found 309 bricks of heroin inside the car in Warren County, an official said.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

This stuff is how criminals are caught. They do big stuff but can’t help do the small stuff too. They don’t even think about the small stuff

 

[CaliberPlus]

And this:
One of the new NY laws requires all FFL's to send in a list, twice a year, of all guns acquired, sold, when sold, to whom with make model and serial number. A monthly inventory is dictated.
The law also states that ANY firearm brought in for gunsmithing be logged. This list of make, model, serial number and owner also goes to the state. So, the gun your grandfather gave you fifty years ago now will be on record if it needs repairs.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I am not sure what is funny about any of this crap. I am trying to figure out HOW to stay in business. I also swear the next guy that comes in here and says, "I have my guns, I am good!" I am going to slug!

 

[Zerex]

The signing into an FFL's bound book --dealer or gunsmith, or both, of a gun for work has been a Federal requirement for decades.

A man left an old gun with an FFL for appraisal, and the FFL signed the gun into his bound book.

When the man returned to retrieve the gun, a NICS check was run, despite the mans protests to just give him his gun back, and offers to sell the gun to the FFL. In either case NICS would need to be done now, and it was..............man was a felon, and went to jail, where he died a few years later.

 

[Defilade]

Stop complying! Do you really believe that complying with a Government that bribed, Threaten, shamed people to take an experimental drug for their freedom is going to allow you to carry guns? BTW! who the hell is going to go through all this nonsense imposed on us here in NY anyways for our gun rights?

 

[Edwardteach72]

I am not sure what is funny about any of this crap. I am trying to figure out HOW to stay in business. I also swear the next guy that comes in here and says, "I have my guns, I am good!" I am going to slug!

You really going to "slug" someone??

 

[Truebeliever]

Come on now guys, quit attacking this man for defending his tactics. We ALL know that without a doubt, EVERY person wearing a Harley Davidson T-shirt owns a Harley, Everyone wearing a Fender T-shirt plays a Telecaster, Everyone with a wilson duffle bag plays tennis, Everyone wearing Air Jordan's plays basketball, and Everyone with a Glock case is a mass murderer.

It just stands to reason ! Oh, wait...


No, I guess those are all just suppositions,and if you actually looked, you would find that more likely than not, NONE of those are true.

You are speaking of something else. Wearing a t-shirt by itself isn’t probable cause unless it’s something specific. It’s likely you would be a racist is you wore a t-shirt that said you are a member of such a group.

But a t-shirt or bumper stickers can raise suspicion like a bumper sticker for weed etc
If you pulled a felon out of a car, and they have an empty holster on their belt, it’s more probable than not, there is a gun in that car—- yes, I know there is an empty holster protest movement— that is rare and in between.

 

[Defilade]

I am not sure what is funny about any of this crap. I am trying to figure out HOW to stay in business. I also swear the next guy that comes in here and says, "I have my guns, I am good!" I am going to slug!

What is funny is that people actually believe they can continue and comply with this clown show.

 

[CaliberPlus]

My apologies, this has made me really grumpy. The problem I have is if we close, I am giving in. If we stay open I gotta comply or face an orange jumpsuit. 98% of our customers are good people and this is shitting on all of them. Some of the guys coming in have had a handgun permit longer than I have been alive and I am not a youngster.

 

[spat]

If you pull over 100 people for a broken tail light but look for other indicators of other crimes, it’s not blindly searching .
Here is your terrorist example but for lot
A state police spokesman said trooper Robert Cieplenski noticed Kikumura loitering at the Vince Lombardi rest station in Ridgefield, N.J. about 7 a.m. Tuesday. When the trooper approached Kikumura, the suspect dashed to his 1980 Mazda and drove off.

Cieplenski caught up with Kikumura and arrested him, officials said. He showed an international driving permit, issued in Tokyo on Jan. 20, 1988. He also presented a New York State temporary identity card with a Manhattan address.

As the trooper was examining these documents, he noticed a flight bag on the rear seat of the car. According to an FBI affidavit, the bag was open and contained six cardboard canisters with the words “black powder” written on them. On the floor of the car, the trooper found an open box containing three steel canisters loaded with gunpowder and attached with wires. He placed Kikumura, who was carrying $3,600 in cash and a Swiss bank account card, under arrest.”

Suspected Terrorist Arrested in N.J. : FBI Launches Intense Probe After Trooper Stops Japanese Man

A 35-year-old Japanese citizen who was seized on the New Jersey Turnpike while transporting three sophisticated anti-personnel bombs was held without bail Friday as a massive FBI investigation sought to determine whether he is a member of the Japanese Red Army terrorist organization.

www.latimes.com

Most drunk drivers are pulled over for traffic offenses before being discovered.

Another example of small stuff leading to the bigger stuff

Troopers stop to help driver on I-80 and find $75K worth of heroin in the car

The officers found 309 bricks of heroin inside the car in Warren County, an official said.

www.lehighvalleylive.com

This stuff is how criminals are caught. They do big stuff but can’t help do the small stuff too. They don’t even think about the small stuff

OK, you don't seem to understand.

The ends do not justify the means.

And it doesn't matter how observant you are after you pull over the 100 taillight offenders, or how lucky you get. If the only reason you were pulling them over to begin with was to get the opportunity to look, that's the definition of fishing.


You could find 2 axe murderers and a terrorist in every 100 taillights *and it still wouldn't justify it*.

 

[Truebeliever]

My apologies, this has made me really grumpy. The problem I have is if we close, I am giving in. If we stay open I gotta comply or face an orange jumpsuit. 98% of our customers are good people and this is shitting on all of them. Some of the guys coming in have had a handgun permit longer than I have been alive and I am not a youngster.

Give the lawyers a chance to get an injunction. July 4th weekend— nothing in the government gets done. It’s tough to wait but don’t get your hopes down.

 

[Truebeliever]

OK, you don't seem to understand.

The ends do not justify the means.

And it doesn't matter how observant you are after you pull over the 100 taillight offenders, or how lucky you get. If the only reason you were pulling them over to begin with was to get the opportunity to look, that's the definition of fishing.

No, the job wants you to give tickets out. A lot of cops concentrate on taillights because if the person they stopped gets them fixed in time, they don’t have to pay the ticket.

 

[spat]

No, the job wants you to give tickets out. A lot of cops concentrate on taillights because if the person they stopped gets them fixed in time, they don’t have to pay the ticket.

Some jobs shouldn't be done.

 

[Defilade]

My apologies, this has made me really grumpy. The problem I have is if we close, I am giving in. If we stay open I gotta comply or face an orange jumpsuit. 98% of our customers are good people and this is shitting on all of them. Some of the guys coming in have had a handgun permit longer than I have been alive and I am not a youngster.

I get it. No doubt. They have made it not worth it for a reason. We rely on a so called justice system that seems to fail us time and time again here in NY. We have to haul these Politicians and arresting officers in Public Courthouses individually. We need to think Common law/ Natural Law. File criminal complaints against them against our rights. I am researching more about this. We need to start suing them on a individual level. Color of Rights etc..... We are not their property and we have no contract with them.

 

[Truebeliever]

I get it. No doubt. They have made it not worth it for a reason. We rely on a so called justice system that seems to fail us time and time again here in NY. We have to haul these Politicians and arresting officers in Public Courthouses individually. We need to think Common law/ Natural Law. File criminal complaints against them against our rights. I am researching more about this. We need to start suing them on a individual level. Color of Rights etc..... We are not their property and we have no contract with them.

Take down a few notches. You can’t file criminal charges for making a law. And you can’t file criminal charges for enforcing that law unless it conflicts with another law or it’s been declared unconstitutional.
You can file a civil suit. Big difference and even then, the politicians are immune.

 

[Truebeliever]

Some jobs shouldn't be done.

Almost no one would get their taillights fixed then.
Everyone would speed, etc etc

 

[pshift]

Online recertification is not available for NYC/Westchester/Nassau/Suffolk County residents...

 

[pshift]

I'll have to read more, I don't remember hard armor being banned. I thought it was just soft armor, the kind the guy at Tops wasn't wearing.

It was just soft armor.

 

[Truebeliever]

Online recertification is not available for NYC/Westchester/Nassau/Suffolk County residents...

Is that by law or just just shut down the internet ability to do so?

 

[Blackjack]

It was just soft armor.

Are you guys talking about hard and soft armor that you can take a drive to PA or OH and buy?

Or some other type of armor that we can no longer get?

 

[pshift]

This thread is going ..

 

[Depick]

Does a Yeti cooler contain a an actual Yeti?

If it did that would justify the cost to me

 

[Defilade]

Take down a few notches. You can’t file criminal charges for making a law. And you can’t file criminal charges for enforcing that law unless it conflicts with another law or it’s been declared unconstitutional.
You can file a civil suit. Big difference and even then, the politicians are immune.

You are talking Maritime law which is the system which we were born into. Which is nothing but Corporate Fiction. And yes you can file a Criminal Compliant because a law was created against my rights and sue the individual under Common Law/Natural law. One man does not have authority over another. I am not your property nor do I have a contract with the service corporation you work for. The Government is a Corporation.

All kinds of info of how it has been done and how to do it here...

Common Law - A Warrior Calls

. SO EVERY MAN AND WOMAN IS CLEAR LAW RECOGNIZED AS SUPREME ON THE LAND COMES FROM GOD 10 COMMANDMENTS = COMMON LAW SERVICE CORPORATIONS [CANADA…ONTARIO] EMPLOYEES DO NOT MAKE LAWS THEY CREATE POLICY, CODES,…

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Private Prosecutions - A Warrior Calls

MAXIM OF LAW “Where truth is, fiction of law does not exist.” From “Private Prosecutions in Canada: The Law and a Proposal for Change” [By Peter Burns Professor of Law,…

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[Truebeliever]

You are talking Maritime law which is the system which we were born into. Which is nothing but Corporate Fiction. And yes you can file a Criminal Compliant because a law was created against my rights and sue the individual under Common Law/Natural law. One man does not have authority over another. I am not your property nor do I have a contract with the service corporation you work for. The Government is a Corporation.

All kinds of info of how it has been done and how to do it here...

Common Law - A Warrior Calls

. SO EVERY MAN AND WOMAN IS CLEAR LAW RECOGNIZED AS SUPREME ON THE LAND COMES FROM GOD 10 COMMANDMENTS = COMMON LAW SERVICE CORPORATIONS [CANADA…ONTARIO] EMPLOYEES DO NOT MAKE LAWS THEY CREATE POLICY, CODES,…

awarriorcalls.com

Private Prosecutions - A Warrior Calls

MAXIM OF LAW “Where truth is, fiction of law does not exist.” From “Private Prosecutions in Canada: The Law and a Proposal for Change” [By Peter Burns Professor of Law,…

awarriorcalls.com

It doesn’t apply here. That’s Canada. There are plenty cases here that says you can’t do it.
Go look at what “ sovereign citizens” movement . How does that hold up in court.
Is that movement you are part of?

 

[Defilade]

It doesn’t apply here. That’s Canada. There are plenty cases here that says you can’t do it.
Go look at what “ sovereign citizens” movement . How does that hold up in court.
Is that movement you are part of?

It does apply here. Ever see forms asking if you are a sovereign citizen? You have to take the steps to become one and become an American National. I'm still researching this. Numerous videos out there on how it has been done.