Oath keepers Call To Action in Virginia. We Need Boots on the Ground and Trainers

[Jaywmustang]

saw this on fb

 

[Jsmegs77]

I'm going to modify a line we use in the PA oilfields, when confronted with the good ol' southern boys that came up here from Texas or Louisiana to work them in the early days of the Marcellus Shale boom... "This Ain't Fuckin' Texas". Point being, how it worked down there isn't how it works in northeast PA. Well, Virginia "Ain't Fucking NY". They're hopping mad, and the ire of a few NY gun owners about UNSAFE is absolutely insignificant comparatively. Nowhere in the history of NY has there been even a flicker of general public reaction to gun control measures, that can compare to the state of VA now. Remember, they're reacting to something that has not even passed into law. The general population is also infuriated that a Yankee billionaire and his meddling are a large contributor to the current shitstorm.

 

[96coal449]

I'm going to modify a line we use in the PA oilfields, when confronted with the good ol' southern boys that came up here from Texas or Louisiana to work them in the early days of the Marcellus Shale boom... "This Ain't Fuckin' Texas". Point being, how it worked down there isn't how it works in northeast PA. Well, Virginia "Ain't Fucking NY". They're hopping mad, and the ire of a few NY gun owners about UNSAFE is absolutely insignificant comparatively. Nowhere in the history of NY has there been even a flicker of general public reaction to gun control measures, that can compare to the state of VA now. Remember, they're reacting to something that has not even passed into law. The general population is also infuriated that a Yankee billionaire and his meddling are a large contributor to the current shitstorm.

But I wonder what the outcome would have been here if we knew we were going to wake up the next day behind enemy lines?

 

[Saltwater60]

Do you think that if we protested in front of Washington to do away with the machine gun ban, the government will just say,”Ok. Repeal it. The people have spoken.”?

Not being a dick here to stir up the pot. Just being pragmatic. That would work if the government worked for the people.

In Virginia’s case, the government knows that it has turned blue and will continue to turn blue.

I understand what you’re saying. I just think Virginia went too far and if enough people show up in support of it the will make people think before they act.
Also the machine gun is already banned and it’s more than a protest in VA. Many people are standing up saying we won’t abide. What do you think the government can and will do? If the police won’t enforce the law and 90+% of the counties say they won’t enforce it do you think the 10% of other officers can or will enforce it? That’s where the money is at.
Think about antifa the police can’t control them. Cops are a very low percentage of the population. Of the people refuse to comply the police statistically can’t force them to do it.
take my city there are 27 cops for 17,000 people. If 5,000 of those people said fuck you im not complying how would my city handle that? They step back and let whatever was happening happen.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I understand what you’re saying. I just think Virginia went too far and if enough people show up in support of it the will make people think before they act.
Also the machine gun is already banned and it’s more than a protest in VA. Many people are standing up saying we won’t abide. What do you think the government can and will do? If the police won’t enforce the law and 90+% of the counties say they won’t enforce it do you think the 10% of other officers can or will enforce it? That’s where the money is at.
Think about antifa the police can’t control them. Cops are a very low percentage of the population. Of the people refuse to comply the police statistically can’t force them to do it.
take my city there are 27 cops for 17,000 people. If 5,000 of those people said fuck you im not complying how would my city handle that? They step back and let whatever was happening happen.

See previous posting I’ve made regarding the police.

 

[GOPerfect]

See previous posting I’ve made regarding the police.

The whole cop thing is getting kind of old Will, it really is.

Yeah, I know you Youtube shop all of the time and you share these videos, but do you know any cop that has done what you are saying they are all going to do?

I know very few cops that are even on the fence over stuff like this.

A local Police Union is actually putting things in place to protect cops from saying no. Large Police union here in NY.

 

[FrankenCub]

Most of the LEOs already stated they will NOT comply with the law, so who's going to be making arrests? Even where I live I know Sheriff Deputies and State Police will not make Safe Act arrests, they will turn their heads at noncompliant rifles and mags.

 

[Marine Cpl]

The whole cop thing is getting kind of old Will, it really is.

Yeah, I know you Youtube shop all of the time and you share these videos, but do you know any cop that has done what you are saying they are all going to do?

I know very few cops that are even on the fence over stuff like this.

A local Police Union is actually putting things in place to protect cops from saying no. Large Police union here in NY.

My cop thing is getting so old that if I walk in your jurisdiction perhaps in the mall open carrying a Glock with 33 round magazines on my belt, I wouldn’t get arrested. You cannot tell me that I wouldn’t get arrested if you are truly honest.

You just don’t like what I’m saying because you are a cop. But the truth is the truth regardless. When people learn to separate themselves from their professions or whatever groups they belong to, they can take the criticism without it becoming personal.

The fact of the matter is that cops enforce unconstitutional gun laws everyday. To say that they do not now is is disingenuous.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Most of the LEOs already stated they will NOT comply with the law, so who's going to be making arrests? Even where I live I know Sheriff Deputies and State Police will not make Safe Act arrests, they will turn their heads at noncompliant rifles and mags.

They will not comply until they are sent to your house because a disturbance was called in or if you are pulled over for DWI and you have a full featured AR in the trunk.

My hands are tied. I’m sorry.

Or when the one partner says that he isn’t going to lose his pension over some dirtbag whomever he is.

My hands are tied. I’m sorry.

Do you guys really believe that rhetoric? I do not want to insult anyone here but many of you are naive.

Norfolk VA open carry case wins

Not a complete victory perhaps, since the city chickened out at the last minute. But at least, they knew they were in the wrong, even though they won't admit it. I think the judge was a little weasely (is that a word?) too. But progress is being made! Maybe we should email this to Dickson...

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[libertysnake]

Their livelihoods depend on it. They are not patriots protecting thier freedoms , They are people putting food on the table .

That's basically the same predicament LEO is in currently as well. Their livelihoods are on the line.

At first glance that seems like an easy decision from the white knight, armchair critic. They made an oath, right? Easy, peasy?

If you went into work tomorrow, and your boss asked you to do something legally questionable, or just something legal that you felt was intrinsically wrong, would you do it? Would you risk losing your job and not being able to feed your family? Would you risk losing a pension you spent a career planning on having? Would you risk a lifetime of work for one moment?

You ask a lot of a man when you ask him and his family to endure a hardship for the sake of others. They have a lot on the line personally and professionally, and it's in our nature to be self interested and invested in our family unit. That's survival.

It's a tougher decision than any of us will probably ever have to me. I'm not even sure I'd make the right decision, if I were in their shoes.

 

[Jsmegs77]

But I wonder what the outcome would have been here if we knew we were going to wake up the next day behind enemy lines?

I suspect Il Duce thought there would be some sort of reaction, hence the whole memo of necessity midnight nonsense. However, I think we idealistically underestimate the interest of the general NY population. My theory is that New Yorkers are overworked, overstressed and backed into such a corner due to the regulatory and tax burdens of living here that they can't effectively mount a resistance, or even a good protest. After all, it's a race to the bottom with Cali and NY proudly leading the way.

 

[FrankenCub]

Must be the guys some of you know have much different values than I. I can not let a job, which is replaceable, stand on my values.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Must be the guys some of you know have much different values than I. I can not let a job, which is replaceable, stand on my values.

At my job on a commuter train, they require the conductor to make announcements every few stops that say that backpacks and small packages are subject to random search by the police. Since I’m not a conductor but rather drive the train, I never had to say it.

When I picked a run a while back on a train that only had 3 cars with no conductor, I had to make that announcement to the passengers. It burned me to say it because I was now complicit to an unconstitutional act but if I didn’t, I could get written up by a supervisor. No way in hell am I going to risk 18 years at a job and a pension that’ll almost be a yearly 6 figures for the rest of my life for refusing to say some words that go against what I believe in.

 

[BDinPutnam]

My understanding is that the bill will be past into law before the 20th. if not, then obviously nothing is going to happen. IF so , it is an outright open rebellion against the governor and state daring them to their face to confisicate it .It demonstrates that the people hold the real power. Hopefully , that will be enough . it also depends upon how egotistical Northrup is , Will he see the light or press on? If the state police choose to enforce confiscation , they will do so the first few times , but eventually they will run into the Sherriff of Nottingham and his jolly men, The sheriff openly stated they will not allow it to happen in their county's and they are going to bring friends.

You should probably go back and re-read Robin Hood.

 

[holdover]

LOL, I know .

 

[pjzwtl]

Part of my EDC during the rally will consist of concealable soft body armor, S.W.A.T. trauma kit and a G27 with Virginia CCL.

MothMan what is in your trauma kit? Not a baited question asking for good reason

 

[Defilade]

At my job on a commuter train, they require the conductor to make announcements every few stops that say that backpacks and small packages are subject to random search by the police. Since I’m not a conductor but rather drive the train, I never had to say it.

When I picked a run a while back on a train that only had 3 cars with no conductor, I had to make that announcement to the passengers. It burned me to say it because I was now complicit to an unconstitutional act but if I didn’t, I could get written up by a supervisor. No way in hell am I going to risk 18 years at a job and a pension that’ll almost be a yearly 6 figures for the rest of my life for refusing to say some words that go against what I believe in.

Yep money corrupts, so much for the oath you sworn too. So what if you got written up, trying to be employee of the month?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yep money corrupts, so much for the oath you sworn too. So what if you got written up, trying to be employee of the month?

Progressive discipline. Something that is just a write up becomes days in the street later if it continues. Would you refuse until you got fired? If so, why do you submit to background checks? Are those morally acceptable to you?

 

[Defilade]

Progressive discipline. Something that it’s just a write up becomes days in the street later. Would you refuse until you got fired? If so, why do too submit to background checks?

Progressive discipline is being submissive. As for my guns and how I obtained them, that's for me to know. I have had multiple jobs through the years and its what your talent is dictates your path as whether you succeed in life not being submissive to something against your beliefs. That will haunt you if it truly meant anything.

 

[libertysnake]

Progressive discipline. Something that is just a write up becomes days in the street later if it continues. Would you refuse until you got fired? If so, why do you submit to background checks? Are those morally acceptable to you?

Maybe the true path to freedom is economics. If you can tip the scale enough in your favor -- if enough conservatives band together silently and build enough wealth, or build a strong enough economy of conservatives / libertarians -- then maybe they won't need the liberal money anymore. Then, you could say what you want. You wouldn't have to economically obedient.

Until we have the practical -- not just the theoretical -- means to have free speech, then we're no better than tactful slaves.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. These are the complexities we're dealing with though, so it's not as simple as "just say no" when it comes to complying or not.

 

[96coal449]

I have pride in my values. Maybe that's why I don't live in prosperity and have no real future financial security. In my trade/s many hire immigrants, illegal I wouldn't doubt, to do the bulk (if not all) for them. It is impossible to find any real help otherwise due to the broken system in NY. I am content with myself and my pride. My honor as an American patriot.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Progressive discipline is being submissive. As for my guns and how I obtained them, that's for me to know. I have had multiple jobs through the years and its what your talent is dictates your path as whether you succeed in life not being submissive to something against your beliefs. That will haunt you if it truly meant anything.

So you don’t follow rules at work. Don’t submit to background checks. Buy your guns from the back of a trunk. Carry without a license since it goes against your beliefs. Got it. Wish I were like you.

 

[96coal449]

Wish I were like you

honesty counts

 

[spat]

And you aren’t understanding what I’m saying.

The government isn’t going to do anything at the rally. It’s stupid to do so. What they have isn’t illegal yet. And even if it passed today, they still won’t do anything at the rally because it’s stupid to do so. Why would the government want a situation to get out of hand? They will ignore it. That isn’t a win for the people.

Then afterwards, arrest one by one just like here in NY just like in the examples I’ve given you that you refuse to acknowledge. At a car stop. When someone calls about an altercation. When gun shops continue to sell banned items. Etc.

The rally is a necessary step, but it will not be the beginning of real violence.

You cannot legitimately resort to the cartridge box until you have exhausted the soap and ballot boxes. The rally is a necessary step.

OTOH, Getting gun shops to stop carrying some stuff and arresting a couple people (out of hundreds of thousands) at traffic stops does not accomplish the leftist goals either.

We are essentially at a stalemate here in NY. There are hundreds of thousands of banned guns out there, but the government can do nothing about them.

Regardless of what you say, a gun in your closet that you never shoot *is* a lot different from one the government has taken from you.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Regardless of what you say, a gun in your closet that you never shoot *is* a lot different from one the government has taken from you.

Is it?

 

[spat]

Is it?

Yes, because you *can* grab it when the time comes to shoot the bastards.

The one under FUAC's bulldozer not so much.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Yes, because you *can* grab it when the time comes to shoot the bastards.

The one under FUAC's bulldozer not so much.

Seems to me that it’s no different than if they physically took it from you and then you got another one.

 

[96coal449]

Seems to me that it’s no different than if they physically took it from you and then you got another one.

Mmmm ....no. Because then you have paid twice. If they haven't paid an ultimate price first. As stated "in the closet." What is it still there for?
I know .....you're going to say no one would dare stand up to tyranny .... right?
What would you do. Lay down and become the welcome mat? Might as will give a little lounge polish to their shoes while your at it.
And that is reality......is it not?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Mmmm ....no. Because then you have paid twice. If they haven't paid an ultimate price first. As stated "in the closet." What is it still there for?
I know .....you're going to say no one would dare stand up to tyranny .... right?
What would you do. Lay down and become the welcome mat? Might as will give a little lounge polish to their shoes while your at it.
And that is reality......is it not?

Dude. You are all talk. Yawn. Go up to your local barracks or to Albany and do something then.

So what would you do exactly if you were served a red flag order? Shoot it out at the dinner table?

You are full of shit.

 

[Defilade]

So you don’t follow rules at work. Don’t submit to background checks. Buy your guns from the back of a trunk. Carry without a license since it goes against your beliefs. Got it. Wish I were like you.

I challenge RULES at work. Have many times, received great results. I wonder if your wife cheated on you multiple times but gave you great sex if you would stay with her? What are your beliefs that mean anything to you is what I am getting at. You can comply all you want but eventually you will be forced in a box.