Off-duty police officers banned from carrying firearms at New York State Fair

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I kept telling my friends who fall under that infamous LEOSA act, they better by on high alert as the rest of us law abiding citizens... folks they are taking it all away.

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State bans off-duty police officers from carrying guns at New York State Fair

Update: New York State will now allow off-duty police officers to carry weapons at the Fair. Click here for more details. NEW YORK STATE FAIRGROUNDS (WSYR-TV) — Off-duty police officers will …
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Cooolone said:
What makes you think former LEO's are any different than regular folk then...?

Asking for a friend!?
:D :D :D

Everyone's is getting fucked here, no asses are exempt!
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A lot of big differences in a generalized way. A former LEO is a target for violence just based on his former profession. And often by people he doesn’t know. The attacks former and off duty officers( on their person and/or property) are so common that it doesn’t make the news.
A “ civilian “ might have an issue with a particular individual or group but unless they are famous, aren’t targeted in the same way.
There was an extreme example that I remember where an off duty police officer and his group were robbed at gunpoint. The off duty officer didn’t resist or identify himself . I am not even sure if he had his gun on him. They found his wallet with his ID card. The robber then cut off his finger so quote “ he can’t be a cop no more”.
A police officer’s family was followed home from church and attacked simply because the person hated cops. The cop had no previous police interaction with the attacker.
This is all too common.

This decision is discrimination against officers who are often required to carry off duty
 
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Truebeliever said:
A lot of big differences in a generalized way. A former LEO is a target for violence just based on his former profession. And often by people he doesn’t know. The attacks former and off duty officers( on their person and/or property) are so common that it doesn’t make the news.
A “ civilian “ might have an issue with a particular individual or group but unless they are famous, aren’t targeted in the same way.
There was an extreme example that I remember where an off duty police officer and his group were robbed at gunpoint. The off duty officer didn’t resist or identify himself . I am not even sure if he had his gun on him. They found his wallet with his ID card. The robber then cut off his finger so quote “ he can’t be a cop no more”.
A police officer’s family was followed home from church and attacked simply because the person hated cops. The cop had no previous police interaction with the attacker.
This is all too common.

This decision is discrimination against officers who are often required to carry off duty
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A retired cops life is not worth more than any other citizens life so there should be no difference. The whole concept of "they are threatened more" means nothing. Anyone can be a target of violence for completely random reasons.
 
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Truebeliever said:
A lot of big differences in a generalized way. A former LEO is a target for violence just based on his former profession. And often by people he doesn’t know. The attacks former and off duty officers( on their person and/or property) are so common that it doesn’t make the news.
A “ civilian “ might have an issue with a particular individual or group but unless they are famous, aren’t targeted in the same way.
There was an extreme example that I remember where an off duty police officer and his group were robbed at gunpoint. The off duty officer didn’t resist or identify himself . I am not even sure if he had his gun on him. They found his wallet with his ID card. The robber then cut off his finger so quote “ he can’t be a cop no more”.
A police officer’s family was followed home from church and attacked simply because the person hated cops. The cop had no previous police interaction with the attacker.
This is all too common.

This decision is discrimination against officers who are often required to carry off duty
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Well if they get attacked at the fair they should call 911 and let the police handle it. Oh and if they are extra scared and that big of a target, have 911 on speed dial so it will take less time.

Also may I suggest, if being attacked, soil yourself, pee in your pants, defecate if possible, this will gross the attacker out so much they will leave the off duty officer alone.

Another suggestion, maybe get a really loud rescue whistle and wear that around the neck so it is easy to get to and blow real hard if being attacked


Either everyone can or no one can. Fuck this little "mistake" by NY is probably the only thing they got right in these new laws
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Well if they get attacked at the fair they should call 911 and let the police handle it.

Either everyone can or no one can. Fuck this little "mistake" by NY is probably the only thing they got right in these new laws
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It’s not just the fair but on the way and from the fair too.
But if was legal ( which it’s not) , I would say to the active on duty guys, don’t show up to the fair at all unless they change their policy. But they don’t have that choice.
 
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It’s not just the fair but on the way and from the fair too.
But if was legal ( which it’s not) , I would say to the active on duty guys, don’t show up to the fair at all unless they change their policy. But they don’t have that choice.
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This is why I added more suggestions so they can be safe.. they can call 911 from their travels to the fair
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
Well if they get attacked at the fair they should call 911 and let the police handle it. Oh and if they are extra scared and that big of a target, have 911 on speed dial so it will take less time.

Also may I suggest, if being attacked, soil yourself, pee in your pants, defecate if possible, this will gross the attacker out so much they will leave the off duty officer alone.

Another suggestion, maybe get a really loud rescue whistle and wear that around the neck so it is easy to get to and blow real hard if being attacked


Either everyone can or no one can. Fuck this little "mistake" by NY is probably the only thing they got right in these new laws
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Cops didn’t make the SAFE act, the new laws or the decision by the officials at the fair . Don’t blame them .
Get angry at them who have an active, on duty, police protective detail with them.
 
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Truebeliever said:
Cops didn’t make the SAFE act, the new laws or the decision by the officials at the fair . Don’t blame them .
Get angry at them who have an active, on duty, police protective detail with them.
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If they refused to enforce the SAFE act, then nobody would care about it.

You can't play the "just following orders" card.

Cops are a crucial part of any infringement, they absolutely have responsibility for every instance of it.
 
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Edwardteach72 said:
This is why I added more suggestions so they can be safe.. they can call 911 from their travels to the fair
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Yep. And we often do however, many off duty cops are required to carry off duty therefore are unable to attend these events .
Every often, we just can’t go to these events.
 
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Truebeliever said:
A lot of big differences in a generalized way. A former LEO is a target for violence just based on his former profession. And often by people he doesn’t know. The attacks former and off duty officers( on their person and/or property) are so common that it doesn’t make the news.
A “ civilian “ might have an issue with a particular individual or group but unless they are famous, aren’t targeted in the same way.
There was an extreme example that I remember where an off duty police officer and his group were robbed at gunpoint. The off duty officer didn’t resist or identify himself . I am not even sure if he had his gun on him. They found his wallet with his ID card. The robber then cut off his finger so quote “ he can’t be a cop no more”.
A police officer’s family was followed home from church and attacked simply because the person hated cops. The cop had no previous police interaction with the attacker.
This is all too common.

This decision is discrimination against officers who are often required to carry off duty
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You do realize that being a cop is *not* statistically a very dangerous profession, right ?

I realize you like to play up the "putting their life on the line" rhetoric, but in actual fact probably half the people on this forum have more dangerous jobs than you do.

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