C3D
.308 Win
NY resident and have a non-NY permit? What do you have? How hard was it to get? And do you use it to CCW anywhere?
Out-of-state permit holders: Chime in
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PA. That's it. I'm lazy.
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Oh yeah???......so your've carried in Florida, south carolina, Maryland, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Maine (all states on the Eastern seaboard do not recognize either a NY or PA permit).......I think you need a geography lesson
A NY or PA permit is not recognized in any of those "eastern seaboard" states
So you are like an LEO or something, or do you just disregard all regulations and carry as you see fit?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
And how is the sake tonight?
Well which is it??...........I would honestly gain more respect for you if it were the latter
Dont worry about it, he doesnt have to answer
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
In addition to NY:
Utah, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, and Arizona. Massachusetts is next on the list.
None of them were hard to get. At most, take a class, fingerprints, photos, and drop the application in the mail with a check, wait. Massachusetts will make you appear in person.
I spend a lot of time in New Hampshire, Maine, and Massachusetts. I travel to Pennsylvania less frequently. I picked up Arizona because they had reciprocity with Nevada prior to 2016 when Florida and Utah didn't. I picked up Florida before the Utah craze caught on and just never dropped it.
Utah, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Maine, and Arizona. Massachusetts is next on the list.
None of them were hard to get. At most, take a class, fingerprints, photos, and drop the application in the mail with a check, wait. Massachusetts will make you appear in person.
I spend a lot of time in New Hampshire, Maine, and Massachusetts. I travel to Pennsylvania less frequently. I picked up Arizona because they had reciprocity with Nevada prior to 2016 when Florida and Utah didn't. I picked up Florida before the Utah craze caught on and just never dropped it.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I never understood why people take the harder to get Utah license. Utah only gets you Wisconsin compared to the Florida. The Florida gets you Florida and 2 other states that Utah doesn't give you.
So unless you really need Wisconsin, Utah is inferior.
So unless you really need Wisconsin, Utah is inferior.
Here is what I don't understand about multiple permits beyond say NY and PA. After that, each additional one is going to cost you a lot more than the $20 that PA charges you and for what?.......you are only gaining the legal ability to carry in at most an additional 5 or so states. Is this really worth the time, money and effort? No matter what you do, many very progressive states such as CA, NJ, CO, MD, and MA will not recognize your right to carry. In addition, the states that are most valuable to NYers (i.e. states between DC and Boston) will not budge on reciprocity no matter what. For example, there is no real use in spending over $100 to add a Utah permit if it only adds the states of UT, WA, NB, and NV (states that most people in NY are unlikely to visit in the first place)
To put it another way, the NY and PA permit gives you the ability to carry in 30 states. After that, no matter how much money you spend and how many you permits you try to collect, there is no way you can get to beyond 40 states. Better to just wait until nationwide reciprocity gets passed IMO
To put it another way, the NY and PA permit gives you the ability to carry in 30 states. After that, no matter how much money you spend and how many you permits you try to collect, there is no way you can get to beyond 40 states. Better to just wait until nationwide reciprocity gets passed IMO
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Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
For most people, Utah is actually easier to get. Sit for a four hour class, do fingerprints and photos in the class, and drop the packet in the mail.
Unless you have a DD214 or have taken a hunter safety course, Florida requires you to demonstrate live fire. They also require fingerprints to be done by a law enforcement agency. Plus it's more expensive than Utah, especially in the long run.
The other difference between Florida and Utah is Washington State. Washington recognizes Utah's nonresident permit, but not Florida's.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It depends on where you want to go. For example, I go to Florida once a year. My NY, PA, or CT license doesn't cover Florida. My PA doesn't cover CT. I go to CT every once in a while. My CT doesn't cover PA. I go to PA every once in a while too. I live less than an hour away from those two states.
The cost for these licenses are peanuts to me. I think Florida costs 100 bucks for 7 years. So that's like 14 bucks a year. Ct is 70 bucks for 5 years. That's 14 bucks per year as well. It well worth it to me considering that I go to these states every year and sometimes more than once a year.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And Utah doesn't give you Florida. I guess it all depends on where you are more than likely to go. I'm more than likely to go to Florida than Washington State or Wisconsin.
A Hunter's safety course with live fire that satisfies Florida's requirements are free and more available throughout the state than Utah is.
Yeah I can understand getting Florida or CT if those are place you travel to frequently. (though i hear CT is a pain in the ass)
But there seem to be so many people trying to get UT, NH, PA, FL, NV together (plus whatever else)
The gains from this approach seem to really drop off after the first additional permit due to cross reciprocity. That is easily going to run someone up over $1000 between the applicaiton fees, classes, etc......not to mention the renewal fees/wait times.
For example if you take a drive to PA, spend $20 and get the permit on the same day you gain PA, WY, ND, LA, GA, WV
Now if you get the UT permit, spend over $100, pay to take a class, wait for weeks.....you get all those states plus WA, NV, DE, and NE
IDK but the first option seems a lot faster and less stressful to me.
Check out the USAcarry.com map to see what i mean
If you were to get every single out of state permit from states that will issue them to out of state holders, you will still only be able to carry in 38 states.
What I am really trying to say is, it really only makes practical sense for most people to get ONE additional permit to NY (PA is by far the easiest at that). After than you are just wasting your money to gain an additional 8 states which hold minimal value to most NYers.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It depends on where you are going. If you never step foot in CT, it isn't necessary to get one. If you do, than it is.
Ct was pretty easy by the way. Not as easy as PA but easy enough. I used my NRA Basic class with live fire that I used to get my NY one and all it took was a filling out of the application, a passport photo, and a trip to my local police station to get fingerprinted. After that, I mailed the application and got it issued less than 90 days later.
Some people do it even if they never step foot in a certain state just in case and to support the state. If the state makes money, they'll continue issuing them.
Yeah, that doesn't sound too bad for CT (though I was hearing that the system was getting really backed up so it was taking much longer).
What I find discouraging is that if you live in the southern part of the state (say Westchester County), and you travel 10 miles west, south, or east, you are in territory that will not recognize your permit. And in the case of NJ and NYC, there is literally nothing that you can do to gain the legal ability to carry there. Something definitely needs to change that. While it is nice to gain carrying rights in other states throughout the country, we really need the ones that border NY to change their hostile policies on CCW.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
I would contend that as New Yorkers, what is more important is for us to change our own hostile policies on CCW first.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Fingerprints yes.
Live fire, not on my application. I got FL with no representation of live fire. That was 1.5 yrs ago. Has that changed? Dunno.
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Florida has required it for as long as I've had my Florida permit. Many instructors simply ignore it. The exceptions are if you're applying with a hunter safety course, law enforcement firearms training, military service, or a previous Florida license.
Florida Statute 790.06 states:
(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, using instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of a law enforcement agency or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;
A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document that shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph. A person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm in his or her physical presence and that the discharge of the firearm included live fire using a firearm and ammunition as defined in s. 790.001;
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Looks like it's saying you only need one of the following. Not all. So live fire isn't required.