Are you irritating people again? Honestly though, I can't remember the last time you posted something that pissed me off. You been lackin'.
Permit denied in Pennsylvania.
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No, people that can't articulate anything valid as a response go all "pish posh, shan't waste time with trolls" as if moving their eyes a little bit more down the page just puts them out for hours.
You can tell they are completely full of shit too because they announce their departure from my posts like they're at an airport. "SO GLAD I BLOCKED THIS TROLL, MY SUPERIOR INTELLECT MUST BE GOING ELSEWHERE NOW!"
Been going on for years before this forum.
It might be just a sinister thought, but I suspect that Pennsylvania is rejecting non resident permit applications in order to lower the overall numbers. Many people once denied will not attempt to appeal the denial and leave it at that. Those that do appeal get their application approved.
I have had a non resident Pennsylvania permit for over 25 years now. I have never had an issue with their permitting process or with purchasing a firearm in Pennsylvania. However, the Governor of Pennsylvania really doesn't like guns, the people who have them, or non residents wanting to carry them in his State.
I have had a non resident Pennsylvania permit for over 25 years now. I have never had an issue with their permitting process or with purchasing a firearm in Pennsylvania. However, the Governor of Pennsylvania really doesn't like guns, the people who have them, or non residents wanting to carry them in his State.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I disagree with @SonOfSun on some things, but not others. The real enemy isn't people who think differently. The main enemy we face are people who want to shut down discourse and want to force censorship as a means of shutting down 1A. With both 1A gone (de facto) and 2A gone (de facto via laws like NYC) the people will be powerless slaves. We can't let silence become the new normal.
End of the day, I think we both agree on different things. We're having the discussion though, seriously, and that's more than what all of the media is doing and 95% of the country.
I really think it's as simple as the system being completely swamped. I went to renew my permit and was told not to until I was at least 2 months out. These are unprecedented times, it's not surprising there are these kinds of cock-ups.
As long as there is a timely resolution I'm even understanding about it. Now in NY they will use something like this as an excuse to defacto gun ban someone. NY is thoroughly corrupt. PA is merely incompetent.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Interesting.
My PA is expired.
Not sure when I will get around to renewing.
or by now, reapplying.
My PA is expired.
Not sure when I will get around to renewing.
or by now, reapplying.
PA Guns & Ammo
.45 acp
That is not how the background check works. The same background check I use is the same the sheriff uses for pistol permits. PA's PICS systems is old and outdated and has been having issues for years.
Can we all just agree that it's pretty impressive that a 74 year old used the term NPC???
spat
.950 JDJ
That's just his screen name silly.
But you have to admit, there probably isn't a another guy named Capsule Simian out there robbing banks....
spat
.950 JDJ
How about they lock up all the people you can't trust with a gun.
Then they can go back to cash and carry, or COD.
I want real machineguns on Amazon.
My name is EXTREMELY common. I personally know 3 of who I went to school with. One of them was in my grade....we were only separated by middle initials.
And I know of 3 others locally with my first and last name....one a high ranking police detective. I know of one MMA fighter, 2 pro football players and a multiple world series winning baseball player.
Annnnd, before I moved into the house I live in now, I lived in a slightly more populated area. We lived at house number 91......at house number 41 lived a convicted domestic abuser and 7 time felonious drunk driver and drug user with the same name.
It should never be a problem, I always use my SS number for gun transactions and such.
Its a long story ive told here before. It was from a 30 plus year old charge that should have never been a prohibiting factor, but the state was confused because the tiny local court house had very little info on the arrest. The state sided on caution and denied my gun rights. The state later admitted I was never prohibited. But I still waited 2 years and 10 months for the appeal. The charge I had has a HUGE gray area in the law which I fell through. Long story short....
When I was 18 years old I got a DUI. While searching my car the cops found a switchblade in my fishing gear.....they charged me with criminal possession of a weapon 4th degree. The judge told me that because I didnt have a fishing licence at the time, the charge stood. Now the gray area.....that charge has two parts.....using the weapon in a threatening way and just simple possession.
The first one carries a punishment of up to a year in jail and is a class A misdemeanor.
The second one carries a $100 fine.
Mine was the $100 fine, it was non violent and non threatening.
However, 30 plus years later the court has ZERO info except the charge of Criminal Possession Of A Weapon in the 4th degree....a class A misdemeanor.
So, I got a Certificate Of Relief From Disabilities for that charge and a UPIN number and all is good.
Funny thing is, between the arrest and the NYS gun purchase denial....I had been buying guns, including handguns on an unrestricted NYS permit for 30 years.
The judge who issued my permit said that charge was NOT disqualifying.
I have not even had a parking ticket sinse then......32 years.
Good luck with that.
I hired an attorney and everything. A good attorney.
Heres the thing. Your NICS appeal is done on a first come first serve basis.
My appeal just sat for almost 3 years on a pile in someone's office.
We tried everything short of a lawsuit which would have lost due to precedence ofprior lawsuits. According to the federal law, NICS did nothing wrong.
EVERYONE wants their appeal done first. Obama had lowered the number of agents doing the appeals so the times skyrocketed. Go to the NICS appeal website right now and look at their appeal times. They are doing appeals from November 2019 right now.....I just looked. So if you do an appeal, its put on the pile.
And I know, everyone says there gotta be something you can do but no, there isnt....we tried.
After 2 year and 10 months I wrote to Trump in 2018.....5 days later I got a letter from the FBI saying I was not prohibited anymore. Then I got a phone call from a Trump aid asking if everything worked out. He told me that if I needed anything else to call him and he gave me his direct line.
I guess someone could try that with Biden!!
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All of PA is old and outdated. The entire state is a relic of America's former industrial glory. Now it's a bunch of rotting industrial tombs. Everything in this state is fucked up in some way.
I see your points, and understand where you're coming from.
Maybe I've just reached a point where I can't continue a discussion where neither party is even willing to concede any ground to the other.
That's where we differ. I've read his opinions and arguments, and I'm irrevocably opposed to virtually everything I've heard.
Myself, I find no common ground, at all.
Certainly agree with you on blanket censorship imposed from above. Perhaps I'm censoring myself, as it were, but at least that's my choice.
Thanks for your thoughtful reply
Dirk Diggler, who would of thought!
Sometimes the point isn't to change someone's mind, but more to hear their point of view from them directly instead of being told what people believe/are by a third party. I'll give you an example; During the Charlottesville unite the right rally most of the pictures shown on CNN, etc. were of the torch-walking people yelling "blood and soil" and "jews won't replace us". Nazi level shit. Republicans were being grouped and painted as racist Nazis, literally. It was being framed as this is who most Republicans are because they and the torch-walkers both supported Trump - that was the message being broad cast. A *lot* of people just go with what they're told and that's that. If I was to just go with that, I'd think all of you people here are all raging anti-Semites, but personally I'd rather interact with some actual people and hear from them what they think, rather than be told what "they" think by someone else (surprise, you guys aren't a bunch of anti-Semite nazis).
The "news" always puts the most provocative and outrageous people on to get ratings. That's what happened when the news stopped being the news and morphed into entertainment. They make money on division. It works both ways, CNN does it, Fox does it. CNN puts on Republicans are bad content and displays the most outrageous examples that don't represent the majority of republicans, Fox does the same thing and shows crazy people talking about free housing for everyone and "free" money forever and other crazy commie pinko stuff, things that most Democrats don't support but they paint it that way. That's what the power brokers do, they pit people against each other as a distraction for them to exert control and run off with all the money.
I can't control what you do, nor do I want to... but I'd encourage you to talk to some actual people before buying into what the media says about the other side. You might find that you have a lot more in common than you'd think, and the power brokers that want to control you definitely don't want that.
RATM got this right decades ago:
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched as the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen you were mesmerized
Cellular phones sounding a death tone
Corporations cold turn you to stone before you realize
They load the clip in omnicolour
They pack the nine and they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home is like Alcatraz
And mutha fuckas lost their minds
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until your mind is locked in
Believing all the lies that they're telling you
Buying all the products that they're selling you
They say jump and you say how high
You're brain-dead
Ya got a fuckin' bullet in your head
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Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
These days when I hear of a hiccup impeding the exercising of any right, especially the II, I assume it is done with intent. Sadly, it turns out to be so virtually, always.
Robin
Robin