So I was in a training course today and black powder came up. Both trainers insisted a NYS pistol permit is required to SHOOT a black powder pistol. Not to BUY it, only to SHOOT it. I don't recall ever seeing anything in PL law about this. Anybody?
We used to sell them at Gander ALL the time without a permit. Gander would not have done this if not allowed by law.
They weren't saying you couldn't BUY one without a permit. They were saying you couldn't SHOOT one. It came up in context of not being able to teach black powder in NY because people needed a permit to shoot pistol even though they could buy one without it.
They weren't saying you couldn't BUY one without a permit. They were saying you couldn't SHOOT one. It came up in context of not being able to teach black powder in NY because people needed a permit to shoot pistol even though they could buy one without it.
I would say yes.So is a Brand new just manufactured black powder pistol kit an antique because of action? I hate NY gun laws... no joke.
They skipped over the possession of the components part, and went right to firing it, basically. So even if you possess all the components but don't intend to load or fire the BP pistol, you still need to have it on your permit by law.
So is a Brand new just manufactured black powder pistol kit an antique because of action? I hate NY gun laws... no joke.
The theory behind it is that antique firearms require components that are not readily available, and so do not legally become firearms until you posses those components.
Edit: What GOPerfect said above.
. if it goes Boom it's badSo is a Brand new just manufactured black powder pistol kit an antique because of action? I hate NY gun laws... no joke.
OK, so if muzzle loading is antique and therefore exempt by definition, where does it say I need a pistol permit to fire one? And even if I did need a permit, how are they supposed to add it without a serial number?
Any reproduction (ie. new) black powder revolver is going to have a serial number. Even my 1860 Colt Army revolver has a serial number.
Yeah, but is it on your permit? Rhetorical question.
OK, but are we talking theory or actual law? Where is the citation? Serious question.
I don't have a pistol permit, and I don't need one for my 1860 Colt because per NY law, it is an antique.
See sections 3 and 14:
New York Penal Law - PEN § 265.00 | FindLaw
Yes I totally missed it as well.OK, so Sec. 14 "Unloaded" got it. Thanks. Stupid f'n law, LOL...
Better make sure you shoot it, LOL, you know, so it's "unloaded", LMFAO.
Yes I totally missed it as well.
So you can have the components but you just cant load them?
Posess them for a rainy day in PA where you can fire them.Notice that I make a distinction between "loaded" as it is stated in the law, and "possessing" the components. I do not wish to fight a stupid and expensive court battle over intent to fire a black powder pistol. Ridiculous? Probably. But since I don't intend to fire it anyway, why possess the components in the first place?
Possess them for a rainy day in PA where you can fire then.