Permit required for black powder pistol
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
These black powder 'only' guns are hand made by me and had to be registered so that they would be legal to shoot in NYSSR. So they each have a serial number I engraved in the barrel, No.1, etc., etc., in period correct calligraphy. Legally possessing them and having the components to load them on the same premises is news to me, I was told without a permit you could not possess loading components. Now registering them at the county clerks office is another story, geez! Yes c, the thousands of firearms laws in this state would be funny if it weren't funny, along with the hundreds of thousands of stupid laws that interfere with the rest of ones life. FUNY isn't it.
Robin
Robin
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Wasn't there a movie or a TV show about this very concept a while back? I vaguely remember watching a show or movie that took place in modern times but there were two guys (both reenactors, but I think it was more Cowboys and Indians and not Civil War) where one (maybe both of the guys) did this to each other during a reeanactment and the cops couldn't pin it on anyone for the reasons you stated. Wish I remember what it was called. It was fiction, not a true crime story. I remember that.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Balls loaded into those revolvers are slightly oversized and would definitely pick up identifiable rifling after being fired. I don't see how matching it to the gun would be any different than any other modern pistol or revolver.
Robin
Robin
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Just bought one a few friday's ago .. only thing ask was if i have powder for it at home .. not for pistols just have 2 BP rifles .. ok sold ..
Black powder pistols are the most inaccurate unreliable guns ever created. You can hit anything with them. I was shooting a piece of wood and out of 5 shots 3 missed one hit the wood and bounced off and hit me in the chest. The last took about a second to go off and when it did it blew right through the 2 x 6. The problem is no two shots have the same power so they all go wherever they want. Chances are if you hit someone with it the ball would just bounce off them.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I think someone tried that in an NCIS episode....
S
stuck in ny
Guest
I've done reenacting and no one is allowed to have a ram rod on the field. (obvious reasons)
S
stuck in ny
Guest
Wait a minute, the nfa does't apply to non-fixed ammunitioned arms right? So a muzzle loading rifle could be made later into a muzzle loading pistol and there is no sbr rule for non-firearms correct?
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
It does not work as good as real black powder, and in flintlocks there is a way better than even that your main charge will not ignite, and forget about using it for priming, it won't ignite. Plus it will rot your gun out.
Robin
Robin
HighlandLofts
6.5 Creedmoor
In most States a muzzle loader or black powder revolver isn't considered loaded until you put a cap on a cap lock or powder in the flash pan of a flintlock. Pennsylvania and Washington States you can carry a blackpowder gun loaded with powder, & projectile in your car or truck as long as it doesn't have the cap on the gun or powder in the flash pan.
I say F#### New Yorkistan.
I have two friends here in Washington State that conceal carry 44 caliber black powder revolvers, capped & ready to go. But they also have their Washington State Conceal Carry Permit.
I'll stick with my S&W 642 Airweight for a carry gun.
I say F#### New Yorkistan.
I have two friends here in Washington State that conceal carry 44 caliber black powder revolvers, capped & ready to go. But they also have their Washington State Conceal Carry Permit.
I'll stick with my S&W 642 Airweight for a carry gun.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
So no one seemed to have answered the question of adding a BP pistol to your permit. Since you wouldn't be doing a normal ffl transfer do you simply take your recipt from whoever you purchased from, presumably with serial# and caliber Etc. and fill out your amendment form, pay your fee and wait for your amendment like any other pistol? Once on your permit, you can "legally" buy shooting components and shoot the gun?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
It says an unloaded pistol.
In NYS bizarro land, a gun is loaded if you possess ammunition for it.
Gods, that's some gorgeous work, right there!
thegatman
.308 Win
How crusty are your nipples?My "antique" is truly an antique, and is not currently in firing condition. All my nipples are crusted up. I'd have to buy a nipple wrench. I'd have to buy some new nipples. Then I'd have to install them.
I think I'll just leave my Colt in it's shadow box.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
So crusty that they are black!
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
I did take my Colt out of the shadow box a while back to take a few pics. Since Photobucket screwed up the internet (FUPB), I'll post a new pic.
OCShooters
.38 Special
Nothing specific in the law address this issue but it is a combination of law and AG ruling.
First the law: NY PL265(15) "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm."
Second the AG Opinion, (a non -binding opinion,) OPINIONS OF THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL: "December 19, 1977 (informal No. 77- 00): Unloaded replica muzzle loading percussion pistols may be sold, purchased and possessed without a license. Simultaneous possession of these pistols and the necessary ammunition to discharge them requires a license. PL 265.00 (14) & (15)." Contact the Pistol Department for current rulings.
If I ever come across the section in FIREARMS AND WEAPONS LAWS by Thomas and Chamberlain that address this I will try to remember to post it. OCShooters.com
First the law: NY PL265(15) "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm."
Second the AG Opinion, (a non -binding opinion,) OPINIONS OF THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL: "December 19, 1977 (informal No. 77- 00): Unloaded replica muzzle loading percussion pistols may be sold, purchased and possessed without a license. Simultaneous possession of these pistols and the necessary ammunition to discharge them requires a license. PL 265.00 (14) & (15)." Contact the Pistol Department for current rulings.
If I ever come across the section in FIREARMS AND WEAPONS LAWS by Thomas and Chamberlain that address this I will try to remember to post it. OCShooters.com
Thanks, my copy of Firearms and Weapons Laws hasn't been updated since before unSAFE but is this what you're referring to...
Commentary seems to be directed at antique firearms not necessarily black powder, although they do mention powder, ball, etc. The section on AG opinions had pretty much same info as what you wrote above. So it seems no permit required to own black powder pistol but permit is required to shoot it (or have materials to load it).
WAiting for someone to tag me about pyrodex
Twogunwilly
6.5 Creedmoor
Pyrodex sucks , it stinks & corrodes metal, I like Triple 7 or Shockey gold. Water clean up, no stench.
OCShooters
.38 Special
You are correct Sir and now that I know the page it does not look like that section has changed and for those of you who geek out on this stuff that section has to do with NY PL 265, Definitions.
And the following has to do with PL 400 section 2(g)
And the following has to do with PL 400 section 2(g)
(g) have, possess, collect and carry antique
pistols which are defined as follows: (i) any single shot, muzzle
loading pistol with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar
type of ignition system manufactured in or before l898, which is not
designed for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition;
and (ii) any replica of any pistol described in clause (i) hereof if
such replica--
(1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional
centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is
no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily
available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
For those of you who did not know that NY has laws about transporting Black Powder you should look at: Subpart 39.12 - New York State Department of Laborpistols which are defined as follows: (i) any single shot, muzzle
loading pistol with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar
type of ignition system manufactured in or before l898, which is not
designed for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition;
and (ii) any replica of any pistol described in clause (i) hereof if
such replica--
(1) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional
centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(2) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is
no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily
available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.
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