Police release body camera videos of college students being pulled over at gunpoint

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So, what happened to the original shoplifting complaint ? Did Mr "he's got a gun" provide a successful distraction ?

Also, this sort of thing wouldn't happen in an open carry state, just saying....
 
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spat said:
So, what happened to the original shoplifting complaint ? Did Mr "he's got a gun" provide a successful distraction ?

Also, this sort of thing wouldn't happen in an open carry state, just saying....
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I think it would, I watched the video early, didn't the man that talked to the Police say the kid was waving the gun around?
 
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It still shouldn't happen. It's a violation of 2A rights. But the masses have been conditioned to think that it's perfectly normal for police to investigate people with guns that haven't committed a crime.
 
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Willjr75 said:
It still shouldn't happen. It's a violation of 2A rights. But the masses have been conditioned to think that it's perfectly normal for police to investigate people with guns that haven't committed a crime.
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It absolutely is not a violation of the 2A. Police were in communication with a citizen that stated to them that there was another person waving a gun about. They were required to act and they did. Absolutely no 2A violation.
 
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Your 2nd Amendment rights aren't violated during a stop unless your gun is confiscated. As long as the stop itself is conducted legally, the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant to this type of situation.
 
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So if he was accused of just shoplifting like the article said and having nothing in his hand, would his car have to been searched for the item he stole only?

You see my point? His car was searched for the gun. The gun itself is what they were looking for and you guys think it's right because having a gun is a crime.
 
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So lets say he actually had a gun in his hand when he walked out. This is a crime?
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So as a patron entering the store, what would your reaction be to someone walking at you with a gun in their hand? Is pointing it at your head a crime? Is it only a crime when your brains are on the person walking behind you?
 
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Carlos Hathcock said:
So as a patron entering the store, what would your reaction be to someone walking at you with a gun in their hand? Is pointing it at your head a crime? Is it only a crime when your brains are on the person walking behind you?
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Menacing would be that crime. It should be the same with a gun as if with a stick.
 
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Carlos Hathcock said:
So as a patron entering the store, what would your reaction be to someone walking at you with a gun in their hand? Not sure, but I wouldn't be contacting LE about it unless I knew damn well he just committed a crime with it.
Is pointing it at your head a crime? Yup
Is it only a crime when your brains are on the person walking behind you? Nope
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Plain and simple: Jersey boy overreacted to a guy carrying a gun.
 
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Should be a lesson to BLM that's it's quite easy to survive an encounter with the police when you follow their instructions.

I dont see where the cops did much of anything wrong. They were investigating a shoplifting complaint and an eyewitness gave them what appeared to be credible information at the time.
 
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Willjr75 said:
So if he was accused of just shoplifting like the article said and having nothing in his hand, would his car have to been searched for the item he stole only?

You see my point? His car was searched for the gun. The gun itself is what they were looking for and you guys think it's right because having a gun is a crime.
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Depending on the specific information given, of course a car could be searched for a shoplifting allegation. Happens all the time.
 
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I suppose the officers should assume the people in the car are friendly law abiding citizens and act accordingly .

The officers have no way of knowing what they are walking into. That kid may have shot and killed three people an hour ago in a drug house . he may be mentally ill, He may have been pumped up on drugs and taken hostages . He may be 100% innocent of everything. Cops don't have a clue what's going on .They are walking in blind. The best way to find out is to safely control the situation as best as you can.

In the case where a person has a weapon , you make it completely clear that they are not going to win an engagement if they get froggy.
 
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I don't think you guys are understanding what I'm saying.

It turned into a search for a gun to charge him with and it shouldn't have been according to the Constitution. Once pulled out of the car and determined that the accused had no weapon on him directly to impede the shoplifting investigation and put the officer's lives at risk doing the investigation, the investigation should have been for the shoplifting alone.

Had the accused been reported to have no weapon, there wouldn't have be a frantic search for the weapon.

According to the Constitution, a gun cannot be infringed upon and should be treated as any other object in the accused possession. Had the accused been to reported to have had a screwdriver in his hand during the alleged shoplifting incident, after the investigation was determined to be false, the screwdriver would have been returned to him. That wouldn't have been the case if they would have found a gun in the car even if the shoplifting investigation was determined to be unfounded.

It turned into a gun possession investigation first and a shoplifting investigation second. It wouldn't have occurred that way if he had a screwdriver in his hand.
 
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The person who falsely (apparently) reported the gun needs to be held accountable. Otherwise, you keep giving ammo to the BLM crowd. NO ONE (black or any color) should have to go through what those people had to deal with as a result of a false report.
 
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I'll keep it simple for you, we live in a POLICE STATE and have been every since Terry vs Ohio. Hate to break it too you Police value there lives more then yours ..
 
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Shadow2 said:
Hate to break it too you Police value there lives more then yours ..
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I know you’re posing this as some sort of negative statement, but who in their right mind would disagree with this? If you don’t value your own life more than those of people you don’t know (and even most who you do know), then you’re a fool. Being a cop or anything else doesn’t change this universal truth.
 
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Shadow2 said:
I'll keep it simple for you, we live in a POLICE STATE and have been every since Terry vs Ohio. Hate to break it too you Police value there lives more then yours ..
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As long as they have theirs, they could care less about what happens to you.

Best mindset it to simply adapt. "I'm going home to my family at night" works both ways. You don't know a cop from Adam, no reason to treat them any differently from anyone else.
 
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