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tirwin1 said:
Anyone else getting "lone crazed gunman " vibes?
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Lone gunman? He at least had the SS sniper helping him. The guy obviously had the shooter in his sights before the first round was fired. Didnt move his rifle a bit when he finally took out the shooter....after 7 or 8 shots. They will have to feed me a whole lotta stupid pills before I am dumb enough to think this wasnt a set up.
 
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Defilade said:
Pretty sure if the security was conducted properly there would have been snipers on that rooftop. Clear view to the rally. This was a setup.
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Agreed. I think. I looked high and low for their procedures and the rights of the Secret Service. I am unable to find out exactly what they are allowed to do.

I'll give an example to show my concern, many have seen the video of the red haired guy that lives across the street from the venue, the one that says he told Police about the guy on the roof. Is the SS allowed to enter that house and do a search of the property? If so, how far out are they able to go? Can they force people out of their homes and off their property for an event like this?

If the red haired guy and his friends wanted to hang out on his roof to watch, would they be "allowed"? If they are gun owners, would they be disarmed?

I am not saying the SS did their jobs well, but what exactly were the failures?
 
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Agreed. I think. I looked high and low for their procedures and the rights of the Secret Service. I am unable to find out exactly what they are allowed to do.

I'll give an example to show my concern, many have seen the video of the red haired guy that lives across the street from the venue, the one that says he told Police about the guy on the roof. Is the SS allowed to enter that house and do a search of the property? If so, how far out are they able to go? Can they force people out of their homes and off their property for an event like this?

If the red haired guy and his friends wanted to hang out on his roof to watch, would they be "allowed"? If they are gun owners, would they be disarmed?

I am not saying the SS did their jobs well, but what exactly were the failures?
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My opinion of a failure is having someone climbing a roof with a firearm, within such a close range, and not being neutralized sooner. There should have been more countersniper teams on rooftops to view all locations that had Vantage points to see the stage where Trump was speaking.

The fact that a sniper was allowed on a roof within such close range is ridiculous to me. If a sniper took a shot from a thousand yards away hidden in the woods wearing a ghillie suit I couldn't say that was a failure of the Secret Service because that would be difficult to account for, but on a roof within 150 yards is inexcusable.
 
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GOPerfect said:
I am not saying the SS did their jobs well, but what exactly were the failures?
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From what I've seen at other venues / events, at a very low and common threshold, the protected asset is not allowed to take the podium / stage or remain in the Open while an identified potential threat or questionable anomaly is evaluated / addressed.
 
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stokes said:
Lone gunman? He at least had the SS sniper helping him. The guy obviously had the shooter in his sights before the first round was fired. Didnt move his rifle a bit when he finally took out the shooter....after 7 or 8 shots. They will have to feed me a whole lotta stupid pills before I am dumb enough to think this wasnt a set up.
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That makes sense the story posted above by @tirwin1 where the SS sniper posted he wanted to shoot the attempted assassin before but was denied permission.

I tend to believe that's 100% possible based on circumstances and it sure as hell looked like the SS sniper had the shot all lined up because it appears a nearly instantaneous counter fire after the assassin shoots at trump the SS sniper immediately shoots him without any sort of scanning or repositioning. That leads some credibility to the theory.

The only thing I'm not sure of yet is how realistic it is to believe an SS sniper would just publicly dox himself after a high profile event like that before any official statements are made. That toe doesn't add up, but the story still seems plausible regardless. I'll wait on more details and confirmation before really solidifying an opinion.

If the post from above is genuine and the SS sniper publicly outed himself to show they wanted to protect trump but were prevented from doing so this is a literal political nuke. This story is absolutely worth following and key to understanding.
 
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Celt said:
My opinion of a failure is having someone climbing a roof with a firearm, within such a close range, and not being neutralized sooner. There should have been more countersniper teams on rooftops to view all locations that had Vantage points to see the stage where Trump was speaking.

The fact that a sniper was allowed on a roof within such close range is ridiculous to me. If a sniper took a shot from a thousand yards away hidden in the woods wearing a ghillie suit I couldn't say that was a failure of the Secret Service because that would be difficult to account for, but on a roof within 150 yards is inexcusable.
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Unless the post from above was accurate and the SS spotted him and were DENIED authority to neutralize the guy. That's a bombshell detail.
 
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Hochulsucks1234 said:
My take (at this point)...they meant to graze him, not kill him. They expected the media to have a field day with the supposed background of the shooter.
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Well, I say go to the range, set up a soda can at 130 and try to graze it... But use a 20yr old with absolutely no experience...

Meant to graze him? Come on...

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The good news is their plan won't work,
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Indeed!

I'm still in a bit of shock that this happened, could happen, still processing it all, so apologies for the limited response.


But there's definitely some issues here that go beyond reasonable explanation, especially for SS and typical primary security protection! 3 seconds to get to the primary might as well have been a year! The failure to remove him from the stage. The exit vehicle and set up not being closure, expanding exposure. The so called post where "permission" was required to take out an identified threat doesn't make any sense at all. The primary directive of that security detail is to protect the asset from all threats, period! They don't need to find out what a guy on a roof intends to do with the rifle he has, let alone if it's pointed even remotely in the direction of the asset. The delay in getting him away from the kill zone is infuriating! Great set up to pop a few shots and immobilize a target for a final result. The agents... Couldn't reholster... What the fuck are you reholstering for? Who said there were no more threats! What the fuck...? The only one I liked what I saw was the one who didn't holster her weapon... Who the fuck trained these people? You don't know who, how many, where they are, what their plan is, you don't stand down until your asset is well out of harms way! Not while he's moving, not whole he's 10' from you... You stay ready, not fighting your holster... What the fuck!

I checked Google maps and anyone can do the same. There's a water tower not too far... Not sure why this high ground wasn't used, even for observation... Anyways

So, the shooter on the roof!

The delays!

The lackadaisical effort to protect the asset, let alone that he was already shot.

The exit strategy!

Mother fucking heads need to roll!

Trump was nice, but once his adrenaline wears off, he better wake up. He's be better guarded by the Hells Angels at this point!!! Fuckers...
 
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GOPerfect said:
Agreed. I think. I looked high and low for their procedures and the rights of the Secret Service. I am unable to find out exactly what they are allowed to do.

I'll give an example to show my concern, many have seen the video of the red haired guy that lives across the street from the venue, the one that says he told Police about the guy on the roof. Is the SS allowed to enter that house and do a search of the property? If so, how far out are they able to go? Can they force people out of their homes and off their property for an event like this?

If the red haired guy and his friends wanted to hang out on his roof to watch, would they be "allowed"? If they are gun owners, would they be disarmed?

I am not saying the SS did their jobs well, but what exactly were the failures?
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Interesting to ponder
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Interesting to ponder
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The failures were in not securing potential points of interest. The high ground. Covering fields of fire. Etc.

Let's look at city visits when manhole covers are welded. Doors at entrances secured, limiting access, and anything that may lend to "insecurity" being secured!

Easy now, bit those roofs should not have been accessible. And if accessed, then challenged!

Hindsight is 20/20, and I have limited exposure to primary asset protections, but when something stinks like shit, it usually is... I don't believe in coincidence!
 
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Cooolone said:
Well, I say go to the range, set up a soda can at 130 and try to graze it... But use a 20yr old with absolutely no experience...

Meant to graze him? Come on...



Indeed!

I'm still in a bit of shock that this happened, could happen, still processing it all, so apologies for the limited response.


But there's definitely some issues here that go beyond reasonable explanation, especially for SS and typical primary security protection! 3 seconds to get to the primary might as well have been a year! The failure to remove him from the stage. The exit vehicle and set up not being closure, expanding exposure. The so called post where "permission" was required to take out an identified threat doesn't make any sense at all. The primary directive of that security detail is to protect the asset from all threats, period! They don't need to find out what a guy on a roof intends to do with the rifle he has, let alone if it's pointed even remotely in the direction of the asset. The delay in getting him away from the kill zone is infuriating! Great set up to pop a few shots and immobilize a target for a final result. The agents... Couldn't reholster... What the fuck are you reholstering for? Who said there were no more threats! What the fuck...? The only one I liked what I saw was the one who didn't holster her weapon... Who the fuck trained these people? You don't know who, how many, where they are, what their plan is, you don't stand down until your asset is well out of harms way! Not while he's moving, not whole he's 10' from you... You stay ready, not fighting your holster... What the fuck!

I checked Google maps and anyone can do the same. There's a water tower not too far... Not sure why this high ground wasn't used, even for observation... Anyways

So, the shooter on the roof!

The delays!

The lackadaisical effort to protect the asset, let alone that he was already shot.

The exit strategy!

Mother fucking heads need to roll!

Trump was nice, but once his adrenaline wears off, he better wake up. He's be better guarded by the Hells Angels at this point!!! Fuckers...
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Well add me to the list of "grassy null" conspiracy theorists. I said that I believe it was not him that did the shooting, but a well trained shooter. I keep an open mind and know how evil these fuckers are. Sure they coulda killed Trump, but maybe they want him alive. I feel there is a motive here, just can't put finger on it. Maybe they want Trump to turn and support AW bans. He changed some of his stance on abortion and lost some supporters (maybe gained new ones). He supports any gun control there goes half his base. Democrat tactic?

It is just a theory and I hope I am wrong. But I refuse to accept that the Democrats were involved and that they want to "come together" as a nation. They are snakes.
 
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Hochulsucks1234 said:
Well add me to the list of "grassy null" conspiracy theorists. I said that I believe it was not him that did the shooting, but a well trained shooter. I keep an open mind and know how evil these fuckers are. Sure they coulda killed Trump, but maybe they want him alive. I feel there is a motive here, just can't put finger on it. Maybe they want Trump to turn and support AW bans. He changed some of his stance on abortion and lost some supporters (maybe gained new ones). He supports any gun control there goes half his base. Democrat tactic?

It is just a theory and I hope I am wrong. But I refuse to accept that the Democrats were involved and that they want to "come together" as a nation. They are snakes.
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If it were a well trained shooter, we'd be having a completely different conversation.
 
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