Vinson57
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President Trump shot
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Vinson57
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Hochulsucks1234
.357 mag
True. I forget the media assumes scary AR-15 whenever a scary black rifle is present.
Looking at some of these posts gets me thinking.
Don't matter how the scumbag got the money to travel.
Maybe he sold dope, maybe he took it up the ass,
Scumbags always find a way to do what they want.
How he was allowed to get a position on a roof within 150yds from Trump is the real concern
How he was able to pop off rounds b4 being brain beaned is real concern
One of my biggest concerns now is how many new gun laws are going to be proposed from this incident
Gun laws don't stop scumbags from committing crimes, effective courts and sentences for convictions have become no deterrent any longer.
What is needed is old fashion wild west convict and hang in the town square type law enforcement to give the scumbags something to ponder if their want to commit crime is worth the end result
Probably didn't convey this correctly but hope some of you get what I'm trying to say
Don't matter how the scumbag got the money to travel.
Maybe he sold dope, maybe he took it up the ass,
Scumbags always find a way to do what they want.
How he was allowed to get a position on a roof within 150yds from Trump is the real concern
How he was able to pop off rounds b4 being brain beaned is real concern
One of my biggest concerns now is how many new gun laws are going to be proposed from this incident
Gun laws don't stop scumbags from committing crimes, effective courts and sentences for convictions have become no deterrent any longer.
What is needed is old fashion wild west convict and hang in the town square type law enforcement to give the scumbags something to ponder if their want to commit crime is worth the end result
Probably didn't convey this correctly but hope some of you get what I'm trying to say
Vinson57
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Celt
.338 Win Mag
Murder of a political opponent, or any other non official act do not qualify under presidential immunity. But considering you have been brainwashed by the msm and the lying , im not surprised, although I am a bit disappointed as I thought you were smarter than that."The president’s management of the military is a “core” function of the president; it is described in article II of the US constitution. Thus, the president likely enjoys absolute immunity from prosecution here."
"A president intent on launching military action that is illegal or immoral – calling a Seal Team 6 operator to kill an American overseas, or perhaps someone within the United States – today can be expected to face a refusal to obey an unlawful order and a report to Congress. But a malevolent president can simply fire any officer who refuses the order, working through the ranks until he finds one willing to obey an illegal order, offering a presidential pardon that would immunize whoever obeys the order from the consequences of a court martial.
The idea that the president might declare a political opponent an enemy of the state and have a military sniper kill that person was raised as a hypothetical during oral arguments, and the resulting decision, incredibly, does not categorically rule that act a prosecutable abuse of power."
How might a rogue president use the US supreme court immunity ruling?
A first pass shows just how much damage a president could do to the rule of law when no longer constrained by itwww.theguardian.com
The seemingly far fetched hypotheticals, intended to clearly delineate the extreme parameters of the immunity question at hand, were instead held out as very possibly qualifying for immunity by the Court. You and your short sighted buddies here are apparently unaware of the extraordinary times we are in.
Cavalry
.308 Win
Bullet drop? What?
We have no clue what he had, what length barrel, what caliber, only a blurry areal picture of a dead guy and a what appears to be an AR on a roof. If we assume its a 5.56 AR, depending on ammo its nearly flat at 150-200m. A couple inches variation at best. Someone with an afternoons familiarization could make that shot with ease.
We may surmise that he was left leaning and may have come from a left leaning family, but this is also western PA. Gun culture is alive and well and he did not exactly live in a metropolis.
Missing may have been lack of skill, but what about lying on a hot ass roof, or more likely factor was lack of traning and experiance due to the massive adrenaline dump he had knowing he was ending his life that day one way or another.
Hochulsucks1234
.357 mag
Yea I know its not the hardest distance to reach out, but I factor in nerves, time, position/stance, etc...those alone make a difference compared to us that shoot from a bench. Then there is the choice to take a head shot..why not a chest shot? Perhaps I am overthinking it because I shoot a lot and this dude was inexperienced and was winging it (yet almost achieved his goal). We will never know.
1341
.40 S&W
Maybe? Could also have been blocked out by the height of the stage behind DT, Geometry?
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
I've seen new video of people that are just underneath the building where the shooter was positioned. You can hear them yelling "He's got a gun! He's right up there!" Easily would have been heard by the shooter. This is a 20 yr old soy boy kid it looks like with prob little to no training. I imagine his adrenaline was rushing, breathing was all over the place and he was prob shaking like a leaf, then hearing that he's been spotted and maybe rushes the shot a little more even. And still grazed the ear.
The BIGGEST fail is how did this douchenozzle get into a position from 150 out to have a clear shot at Trump.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Im actually glad he used an ar style rifle, i believe that if he had a precision rifle with quality ammo he would have succeeded in taking out Trump.
Let's start with the initial assumption in this ridiculously far-fetched hypothetical being tossed about:
Even attempting to declare a political opponent an "enemy-of-the-State" without that opponent first performing some obviously severe illegal behavior is pushing the bounds of reality. No sitting President would survive such an obvious attempt.
I'm sure there are even more outlandish hypotheticals that can be piled on top of this initial one to justify the fear, but, like the "so everyone should be able to own nukes" false escalation being used to justify 2A infringements, the likelihood of such a situation actually coming to pass is laughable.
As far as I know, as a non-historian, there is no path within the Constitution that would enable a sitting President the ability to assassinate his political rival. If there is I respectfully request you detail how that would come to pass.
As Celt said:
Your twisted logic about declaring someone an enemy and having the military kill them seems beyond far-fetched.
On the other hand, I would GLADLY accept that Presidents (and, by extension, all other politicians) have no immunity. That means the lawsuits against the Biden family, Clinton family, Obama family, Hochul family, Cuomo family, etc. (ad nauseum) can begin immediately. Anyone even hoping to be elected to a political position would have to be so squeaky clean as to be saints.
Does a sitting President have the power to declare someone an "enemy-of-the-State" and immediately send troops out to detain/execute that person without any checks to that power at all?
Even attempting to declare a political opponent an "enemy-of-the-State" without that opponent first performing some obviously severe illegal behavior is pushing the bounds of reality. No sitting President would survive such an obvious attempt.
I'm sure there are even more outlandish hypotheticals that can be piled on top of this initial one to justify the fear, but, like the "so everyone should be able to own nukes" false escalation being used to justify 2A infringements, the likelihood of such a situation actually coming to pass is laughable.
People on this forum are not short-sighted. The events occurring in the United States recently have made so many people aware of long-term effects of current policies and behaviors.
As far as I know, as a non-historian, there is no path within the Constitution that would enable a sitting President the ability to assassinate his political rival. If there is I respectfully request you detail how that would come to pass.
As Celt said:
Assassinating your opponent is not a core constitutional capacity, nor an official act. It is no different than taking bribes, doing drugs, sniffing little girls, or other unwanted bahviors.
Your twisted logic about declaring someone an enemy and having the military kill them seems beyond far-fetched.
On the other hand, I would GLADLY accept that Presidents (and, by extension, all other politicians) have no immunity. That means the lawsuits against the Biden family, Clinton family, Obama family, Hochul family, Cuomo family, etc. (ad nauseum) can begin immediately. Anyone even hoping to be elected to a political position would have to be so squeaky clean as to be saints.
Parzival
.357 mag
Cavalry
.308 Win
I agree with most of what you have stated. Hearing the people yelling? Maybe not. He was likely in the tunnel.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Brawny71
.40 S&W
Yeah there were several who saw him climb up in gray cammo with the rifle. They told the police. Less then 10 minutes later; shots. One of them was confused why Trump was still on the stage speaking
Cavalry
.308 Win
Its been released that it was dads rifle.
Your highly self-important opinions don't carry the same weight outside your skull. Read the dissenting opinions. You'll forgive me for rating your comparative legal understanding as low. Or you won't. I'm good either way.
S&W Fan
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Antifa has plenty of money to spread around. Especially for their more fanatical followers.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Nevermind.
Vapor
.308 Win
Most likely still getting money from his parents
Sure it is. The president's official capacity is to direct the military.... commander in chief. He just has to officially direct them to do X and now X is an official act. The most recent ruling on this is horrible and strips away proper accountability.
I agree with nobody having immunity. That's exactly how it should be. I'm relatively confident all the people you mentioned are dirty. They all deserve to be investigated and charged if crimes are found. I don't care who you are, if you misusing authority you deserve the most severe consequences.
C3D
.308 Win
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One of the more famous quotes on the subject, by Judge Robert Jackson of the Supreme Court in 1953: "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final."
One of the more famous quotes on the subject, by Judge Robert Jackson of the Supreme Court in 1953: "We are not final because we are infallible, but we are infallible only because we are final."
Celt
.338 Win Mag
If they had no immunity for official acts then it would be all out lawfare after every change of political party. Not a good idea.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Lincoln Project Co-Founder Said Donor Class Must ‘Put a Bullet' in Trump
Video has surfaced of Lincoln Project co-founder Rick Wilson saying in 2015 the donor class must "put a bullet in Donald Trump."
www.breitbart.com
Biden's Social Media Alludes to Trump as 'Dictator' Minutes Before Assassination Attempt
President Joe Biden's social media alluded to former President Donald Trump as a "dictator" just minutes before 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks tried to assassinate Trump.
www.breitbart.com
Dem Staffer Posts 'Don't Miss Next Time' After Trump Assassination Attempt
Jacqueline Marsaw, a field director for Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS), expressed disappointment in a now-deleted Facebook post that a shooter failed to assassinate former President Donald Trump on Saturday in Pennsylvania.
www.breitbart.com
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Would be pointless. By the time the shot has been fired that pooch has already been screwed.
And based in the blood stain on the roof it looks like it didn't them take any time at all to locate this guy.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Or, there was *a* Mr. Crooks at that address registered as a republican.
Was this Jr Antifa living in his Dad's basement ?
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Celt
.338 Win Mag
I read earlier that family he was affiliated with voted for Biden and Obama so I believe his family is Democrat but don't hold me to that
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Maybe he had a close relative who was in a database, and that narrowed the suspect pool down to a few dozen.
Would be easy to identify him quickly then.
"We got a near DNA match for this guy sitting in prison, someone check all his siblings, sons and nephews."