Proper etiquette
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Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
Which last part? Fudd wear or not willing to do fudd wear?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Look at me! I’m a badass!
Look at me! I’m a badass!
He does not usually carry like this. He tucked his shirt behind because he entered a store.
You can tell.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So he’s less of a badass compared to someone who does it more?
No, not at all. That was my way of agreeing with you.
Do not forget, I am a fan of the ability to Open Carry. I think more people should do it more often.
Just don't do it because one think it is cool though.
Cheap ass Fobus holster.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I’m a fan open carry too when it’s a appropriate.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
how should i carry my super hi power .177 Umarex Glock19 open or concealed ?? .. them tree rats are vicious .. snickers
but actually.. can u carry it per law ??
but actually.. can u carry it per law ??
spat
.700 Nitro Express
One main point of concealed (at least in OC states) is that invisibility is a better retention method than snaps and buckles.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
I am a big fan of OC as a political statement.
Gets the message across much stronger than an RKBA T-shirt.
From a tactical standpoint, I don't like it. Unless you are in uniform or some similar situation where everyone knows you are armed already.
The tactical advantage of surprise cannot be overstated.
Fudd wear
To the op: I would quietly tell him as a friendly gesture. Might save him a visit from the gendarmes. One never knows what some hysterical person might do if they notice. I know I would be grateful if someone alerted me to the fact if I was printing.
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
Gotcha. I guess it does scream that one is carrying, but it is effective in hiding whatever
FS1040
.40 S&W
I conceal carry daily in NC. I used to care if I printed, but now it doesn’t matter. I’m legal, I’m an American, and I could care less about offending anybody. I also don’t go to bad places with bad peoples at bad times.
Elwood
.223 Rem
Doesn’t matter open or concealed, retention holster or not it all boils down to situational awareness and not being in a bubble, wether I’m open or concealing I’m not letting anyone get into a position or posture that they can reach for that gun, without a hell of a fight and putting me into a unconscious state. I have people milling around behind me all the time while working, get close and my posture changes to angle the firearm away from you, it’s all about awareness, as far as printing who cares except Fudds an moms demanding attention ?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
So if you are open carrying in a long line at a store, are you constantly spinning around in circles so that you can see both the person in front of you and behind you?
People say that they have situational awareness, but they really do not. Not because of incompetence but rather because it’s impossible to do so in crowded areas. That older lady behind you that you mentally checked off as not a credible threat can at any time stab you right in the back of your neck or hit you in the head with a billy club and take your gun away when
What people are in reality doing is mentally judging likelihoods and checking them off and then focusing their attentions on other people more. IE the next guy walking into the store.
It can happen with concealed carriers too but it is less likely because you now just took away the knowledge that you are carrying from the person next to you or behind you. When I find myself at a store behind a cop, I always play a game with myself and say to myself, “I can do it now!” when he glances away from me or when the clerk says, “Next!”. I do not play that game when the guy in front of me doesn’t have a gun because I do not know that he has one.
Like I said earlier, Federal Air Marshals do not broadcast their presences on air planes. They could be uniformed and open carrying and 9999 times out of 10000 they would be fine but all it takes is that 1 time for them to be spotted and they are now in danger. A few years ago, they relaxed their dress standards of wearing blazers and sport jackets and entering the plain first because they were being spotted by the crowd.
To say that with training, you can eliminate that threat is not true at all. There is only so much you can do. You can lessen that threat with situational awareness but the threat is still there. It’s there with concealing too but concealing will minimize that threat even further than carrying open.
Elwood
.223 Rem
if I’m at work with a firearm out on my hip and I walk into a store for the bank deposit I guarantee you I’m not waiting in any line. An as far as an old lady stabbing a 6’ 200Lb guy wearing a Kevlar vest dressed all in black.... good luck
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
We are not talking about your work while performing your duties at a bank. We are talking about open carry in general while off duty standing in line at Chipotle or for a regular Joe going about his business in a bank line.
And as far as the older lady that is standing behind you, you just proved my point. You mentally checked her off because you weigh 200 lbs. How do you know she cannot just try to anyway You don’t. You don’t know her mental state. She may not be successful but the sight of the gun caused her to stick you with something. The chances of that happening are almost nil but they are there.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When my wife worked as a book keeper at a dealership, she was tasked with making bank deposits. They had a special purse that looked like any woman’s handbag that contained the cash and checks.
She could have still been robbed but the likelihood was lower compared to her walking with a yellow bag and standing in line that said, “Deposits” on it in bold black letters.
She could have still been robbed but the likelihood was lower compared to her walking with a yellow bag and standing in line that said, “Deposits” on it in bold black letters.
Elwood
.223 Rem
Again it goes back to being aware and not being in that bubble even when concealing, I’m not saying to spin around constantly like a moron but even just angling away from someone can greatly reduce the chance of someone being able to get to the gun, as for large crowds that’s where appendix’s carry is your friend
Elwood
.223 Rem
If your too large to appendix carry, well it sounds like you need to hit the gym more than wendys
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And again, I’m not saying concealed carry is foolproof either. Just stating the fact that one method lessens the chances of people even knowing that you have a gun and doing something with that information rather than telling everyone that you have a gun. One method gives people more information and the other does not.
If I do not know that you are carrying, I do not know. It’s really that simple.
If I do not know that you are carrying, I do not know. It’s really that simple.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Crazy old lady with a steak knife decides you need to go, what are the odds you would even know it was happening before you were bleeding out from a severed femoral artery ?
Being a big guy, kevlar and a gun can't protect you from the element of surprise.
Elwood
.223 Rem
You guys watch too many John Woo movies
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Just stating risk levels. That is all. Open carry at your family’s bbq carries less risk than doing so in Walmart on Black Friday and doing so on regular day carries less risk then on Black Friday. Those are facts. It’s up to the person carrying to judge those risks.
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Nobody can predict what will or might happen. Best thing we can do is give ourselves an advantage, whatever it may be, in any given situation. Training provides the muscle memory to overcome Body Alarm Reactions, and repetition is the mother of skill! Training makes us dull to distractions and hopefully allows the preprogrammed training embedded in our brains to run automatic should the need arise. Not always will it work that way. Again, tucked, untucked... Is secondary to the situation of being able to respond. If someone knows you are heavy (carrying) it is to your disadvantage if their purpose is to hurt you or others.
I wonder how many times the video in the church with the retired FBI agent will be regurgitated for training purposes. It covers a lot it of this discussion in the real world.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. Things could have gone a lot differently if the FBI Agent would have been open carrying. The shooter could have positioned himself to be able to take out both defenders if he was intent on doing the shooting under any circumstances without standing down being an option.
I mean we all have brains here. If we were crazy enough to want to shoot up a place who will we target first and get the drop on? An open carrier to the left or a concealed carrier to the right?
It’s pretty damned obvious but people will lie to themselves and others to say that open carry provides the same advantages as concealed carry because they find it more comfortable, want to make a statement, or want to garner attention to themselves for whatever reason.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I always sat 'Please' and 'Thank you', it cost'a nothing and sometimes can make all the difference in the world.
Robin
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