RACIST for wearing a shirt that depicts the flag of our country ? Hostile work environment.

[RooftopKorean]

To the OP: As a manager, could you insist that ALL politics be left at the doors? Or would you face repercussions for stifling speech or creating a hostile work environment? I suspect I know the answer and that it also provides the answer to your original question.

My Director is off today but I did contact him after the situation and explained that there must be a no politics policy put in place in my department as I am sick of the one-sidedness and being told I am not allowed to voice my opinions when my beliefs are under attack because I'm "management ". I told him a policy needs to be put into effect and enforced immediately otherwise I will be going to HR.

I hate to go this route but I'm going to be petty. If I can't be allowed to voice my opinions because its not of the liberal narrative then all the Karen's in my department can go fuck themselves and there will be no more of it. I'll muzzle everyone and write up/suspend anyone who violates policy; time to fight fire with fire.

 

[ikilledkenny]

My Director is off today but I did contact him after the situation and explained that there must be a no politics policy put in place in my department as I am sick of the one-sidedness and being told I am not allowed to voice my opinions when my beliefs are under attack because I'm "management ". I told him a policy needs to be put into effect and enforced immediately otherwise I will be going to HR.

I hate to go this route but I'm going to be petty. If I can't be allowed to voice my opinions because its not of the liberal narrative then all the Karen's in my department can go fuck themselves and there will be no more of it. I'll muzzle everyone and write up/suspend anyone who violates policy; time to fight fire with fire.

hi korean, good luck hopefully that'll put an end to it.

i would watch out for subtle changes around,

'oh yea we forgot to invite you to this meeting and we discussed it among ourselves' [work related decisions, that should involve you but slowly blacklisting tactics that are designed to avoid you or lessen your presence, come bonus time or promotion will have an affect], they come in small doses. if decisions are made and must have your input and not acquired, thoroughly document those decisions. just have your guard up.

 

[RooftopKorean]

hi korean, good luck hopefully that'll put an end to it.

i would watch out for subtle changes around,

'oh yea we forgot to invite you to this meeting and we discussed it among ourselves' [work related decisions, that should involve you but slowly blacklisting tactics that are designed to avoid you or lessen your presence, come bonus time or promotion will have an affect], they come in small doses. if decisions are made and must have your input and not acquired, thoroughly document those decisions. just have your guard up.

This has already been happening. My Director took over scheduling from me because he said he wanted to have more of an active hand in what goes on. He said I would get it back after the Covid-19 pandemic settled down, but here I am four months later still not doing scheduling.

When this dubious activity began, I started to look for a new job but its been slow going since Covid-19 and our illustrious führer locked everything down.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

My opinion: it's gone way too far.

Why is politics a discussion at work? That's not what ppl are there for. The forgotten Primary Objective is to be running a successful program.

I consider that...and a host of other topics...unprofessional.

It is never bad form to keep one's opinions to oneself, unless asked a specific question.

Don't like my answer? Don't ask the Big Boy Question if you're not prepared to hear the Big Boy Answer.

 

[kev74]

Before you escalate things, make an appointment with HR to review your personal file. They probably won't let you make copies, but you can take notes, and might be able to take pictures.

This gives you the opportunity to know what they might try to use against you, and puts them on notice not to make up stuff to make you look bad after you raise a stink.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Agree with a lot of the above.

Do this incrementally. Be the bigger person, it will reflect well on you even if only elsewhere. Getting into a dispute with an employer even if it's obviously their fault can come to haunt you, right or wrong.

And PAPER (document) EVERYTHING.

 

[RooftopKorean]

Agree with a lot of the above.

Do this incrementally. Be the bigger person, it will reflect well on you even if only elsewhere. Getting into a dispute with an employer even if it's obviously their fault can come to haunt you, right or wrong.

And PAPER (document) EVERYTHING.

I have plenty of ammunition against my hospital. Shady things I have documented in a little black note book for situations like this. Things that the NYSDOH and Joint Commission would love to get their hands on with evidence to back up my claims.

This is something I've done ever since i got promoted into an office position then eventually into management. Many of my friends who work in corporate America advised me to do this.

 

[Chevusa]

A few moments ago at my job one of my employees started to rant about how one of my personal friends who was involved in an altercation (he was pushing a BLM/Anti-PD protestor back after being first struck) at a Pro NYPD rally is racist.

I asked how he could say my friend was racist because he does not know him nor does he know the full story of what happened as he was not there; simply labeled as a "racist" because he was at a Pro NYPD rally.

Then I get called a racist for wearing a Grunt Style Tee which depics the US flag in bullets (I wear to work then change). RACIST for wearing a shirt that depicts the flag of our country!

When will this bullshit stop? As a manager I need to lead by example and do not get involved in political or religious discussions. But where do I draw the line when I constantly hear upper administration (especially my CEO), co-workers and employees in my hospital constantly demean/slander conservatives and/or Trump supporters for their views.

I feel like at this point it is becoming a hostile work environment. I even feel it from my Director (who I consider a friend - we've worked together for over 15 years). When he says things like "I can't believe you support that moron Trump" or other phrases along that line.

Take legal action. It is a hostile work environment. I'm not kidding either.

 

[technicalgadget]

When the shit your receiving is > = the shit your shoveling, then its gone too far.

I have plenty of ammunition against my hospital. Shady things I have documented in a little black note book for situations like this. Things that the NYSDOH and Joint Commission would love to get their hands on with evidence to back up my claims.
This is something I've done ever since i got promoted into an office position then eventually into management. Many of my friends who work in corporate America advised me to do this.

Sounds like the writing is already on the wall. Be careful how you tread, the medical industry is rather small and once you make the blacklist, well....

 

[tirwin1]

When the shit your receiving is > = the shit your shoveling, then its gone too far.



Sounds like the writing is already on the wall. Be careful how you tread, the medical industry is rather small and once you make the blacklist, well....

I can attest to that. A friend of mine is married to a nurse. She has ruffled a few feathers because she believes in responsibility and accountability. This has hurt her in job searches. The medical community does not forgive or forget.

 

[Bozo]

Two points:

• HR exists to protect your employer, not you. Bringing them anything less than an iron-clad case that could cost the organization $$$ or result in negative publicity gets you on the short-list for termination. Once you are labeled "that guy", the documentation starts, on YOU.

• As your Director, I'm not interested in your problems. I'm paying you for solutions. I've got my own problems, and they come from above. Start bringing me drama from the trenches, and I start wondering if you're still the right guy for the job. Friendship has limits. Having a problem with your people? Tell them to STFU and get back to work, or start bouncing them, writing them up, etc. Whatever is in your tool box.

Head down, and concentrate on finding another position where you will be a better fit. Nothing says you can't make an example of the biggest asshole working for you while you're at it. Even small departments have at least one.

 

[Cooolone]

If you don't start the conversation, you may politely explain you'd like to refrain from participating in any conversation on whatever subject you find objectionable, and let the person know.

HR is a must, protecting the employer or not...

Memorialize everything!

NYS is single party consent, you may record every conversation you are a participant of, willing or unwilling. So if you smell something coming, just hit record! I used to love Nextel for this (programable physical side button)... Fuck them... And if you ask them to stop, or exclude you and they persist or make derogatory comments, whoola, you got them, and the ball becomes all yours, you'll dictate the game from there on.

Anyways... I agree, no talking Politics, Sex or Religion at work, ever! It just doesn't work out n cause those three subjects are too sensitive for too many people. And today, nobody is light enough to just joke around with, everyone is on edge, everyone is right, you're wrong if you disagree and are then marginalized, etc.

I'm just ranting... Plenty of good suggestions before my late post, lol

 

[Marine Cpl]

Me, I play head games. I play the minds of the weak. I have been working this angle for many, many years. I am very good at word manipulation and verbal judo.

I never, NEVER, hold back my opinion. I never back down from a verbal confrontation. I do not bite my tongue, I do not back down from my beliefs. If others do not like it, they can piss off, they can fuck off or they can stay the hell away from me. There are a few at work that do not care for me, my opinions, my outlook on life or my politics; that is fine. They do not engage me, they do not speak to me, they do not say hello to me. I am okay with this. They are beneath me, they are less than me and I am better than they are.

I feel the same about many here. I will not hold my tongue.

 

[GOPerfect]

I feel the same about many here. I will not hold my tongue.

I wish everyone in life went around saying exactly what they mean and mean exactly what they say.

 

[Defilade]

If you haven't realized their game plan has been gaining ground and progressed with success I suggest to study it and use it or find a way to counter it. The polite and sensible way to deal with these people as conservatives doesn't work as we have seen time and time again!

 

[Acer-m14]

few days ago boss said you need a mask .. i said Hipaa and ADA .. back up 6 feet .,. boss said you can't keep 6 feet .. i don't have to .. you do .
back up .. I'm done with this crap .. boss knows fkin well i have health issues with breathing ( copd ) for one ..

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Ok, so this is pretty awesome.

Jeremy Roenick Sues NBC Sports for Anti-Straight Discrimination in Firing

Hockey commentator Jeremy Roenick is firing back at NBC Sports, accusing his former employer of discriminating against him for being straight. Roenick was fired by NBC Sports back in February after he made sexually suggestive remarks about colleagues Kathryn Tappen and Patrick Sharp on a...

www.yahoo.com

A hockey analyst is suing NBC for being fired for being straight.

This is worth keeping tabs on and following.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Ok, so this is pretty awesome.

Jeremy Roenick Sues NBC Sports for Anti-Straight Discrimination in Firing

Hockey commentator Jeremy Roenick is firing back at NBC Sports, accusing his former employer of discriminating against him for being straight. Roenick was fired by NBC Sports back in February after he made sexually suggestive remarks about colleagues Kathryn Tappen and Patrick Sharp on a...

www.yahoo.com

A hockey analyst is suing NBC for being fired for being straight.

This is worth keeping tabs on and following.

Reads to me like all this would accomplish in a just world is getting other people fired.

My being straight doesn't compel me to make comments about other peoples' bodies (my being an inveterate douchebag does).

 

[Truebeliever]

My honest advice is to file a formal EEO complaint for a hostile work environment. That they are making you feel uncomfortable with the talk of racism by whites.
Do I expect them to do anything. No. But it will protect you if they attempt to file against you or the company takes action against you. It would be retaliation which makes you a protected class under EEO.

 

[BDinPutnam]

There are increments to this stuff.

If one's first instinct is to call a lawyer, you might be part of a larger problem in society.

Not directed at OP or anyone else in particular.

 

[redtail]

You went to HR.
It is on now , act accordingly.
The brownshirts certainly will.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Me, I play head games. I play the minds of the weak. I have been working this angle for many, many years. I am very good at word manipulation and verbal judo.

I never, NEVER, hold back my opinion. I never back down from a verbal confrontation. I do not bite my tongue, I do not back down from my beliefs. If others do not like it, they can piss off, they can fuck off or they can stay the hell away from me. There are a few at work that do not care for me, my opinions, my outlook on life or my politics; that is fine. They do not engage me, they do not speak to me, they do not say hello to me. I am okay with this. They are beneath me, they are less than me and I am better than they are.

This!

 

[Catskillkid]

I have to laugh at this thread. Not that I don't have empathy for the OP (I really do) but I doubt that any of you would last more than a week in my organization. It's always been left-of-center at the management level (and to be honest rank and file level too) but ever since we got a new Executive Director and since Trump's election it's gone bat-shit crazy. Ever since George Floyd's death every single staff meeting I have to listen to why people like me (heterosexual white males) are the worst people in the world. HR lady (old and white in case anyone was wondering) won't shut up about it. My boss has even come to me (totally unprovoked and out of the blue) in the past and told me that I am "part of the problem" because I am "part of the white male patriarchy." Do I feel like I'm working in a hostile work environment? Hell yes I do. Can I do shit about it? Not a friggin' chance. Let's not kid ourselves, even if I went to a lawyer and filed a lawsuit any jury today would just say "Aww...poor white boy thinks he's got it bad" and decide against me or best case scenario just be hung. Best I could hope for is a settlement of some kind.

We've had a whole host of other issues not really related to politics. Myself and at least a half dozen co-workers past and present have been subjected to a horrendous manager who treats everyone like a piece of shit, bullies and gaslights her subordinates, calls them names and makes disparaging comments about whole lot of different types of people (though she loves to attack men the most, especially conservative men). The one time I went to HR about it they tried to turn it around and try to get me fired. Almost did too except a co-worker who was leaving the organization for a another job marched in to the HR office and read them the riot act and told them the truth about our manager with a ton of witnesses. At the end of the day, even with a dozen or so complaints against her and all kinds of evidence, they still keep her on. Ever since then for me it's been document everything and try to record stuff if I can (it's a challenge though) for the eventuality that they'll put a case against me and try to fire me again.

The organization won't change. Yes, some lawsuits do work (the bakery that filed suit against Oberlin college is a good example but it's an outlier). And I keep marching into the office every day and biting my tongue because I have nowhere else to go and they know it. I had a few options pre-COVID and was making moves but now those places are under hiring freezes.

I take solace in the fact that when it all finally goes to shit and the economy or Republic collapses (and eventually it will) just about all those fucktards will be woefully unprepared. With just a handful exceptions everyone who works in that organization will get zero assistance from me. As far as I am concerned they can go fuck themselves.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

One of the many reasons I'm glad oh so glad I'm retired.

 

[whatwasithinking]

Me at work ...



Seriously though ... I have the same problem at work in regards to the vocal left. However, I tend to believe that there are more of us than there are of them. We just need to speak out more.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Yikes. Glad I'm in the service industry. Not many SJW types in my profession. Good luck is all I can add.

 

[fresch]

When I was working (retired now) they would spout off and I would ask them for part of their lunch, they would refuse, that opened them up to me using their dumb shit back at them; take from the haves give to the have nots. Then I could accuse them of being full of shit and pound the commies with what they "stand for".
It was fun and some of the guys figured out they could send an idiot over to say something to me so they could watch me rip the guy a new one.

 

[Bigfoot]

Every single person that has a direct impact on my day to day life is right of center.
98% of my life,,, my home, my family, my friends, and where I work, is located in or lives in a rural area...
So the odds are in my favor.

Family ... I don't have to sit down with a lefty at the dinner table.
Friends ... When I have some beers with friends, there isn't a lefty anywhere to be seen. Or more importantly, heard.
Co Workers ... All 3, LOL ,,, right of center and Trump supporters.
Boss ... Right of center and a Trump supporter.
Owner ... That's the boss... That's my one and only supervisor...

The 5 of us at the shop are the HR department... We are our own HR department... LOL

I didn't make this happen on purpose. it just happened. But I am thankful that it turned out this way for me.
When I read threads like this, I am reminded how very lucky I am to not have to deal with lefties in any meaningful way.

Maybe a humble brag post IDK

 

[masterswimmer]

Every single person that has a direct impact on my day to day life is right of center.
98% of my life,,, my home, my family, my friends, and where I work, is located in or lives in a rural area...
So the odds are in my favor.

Family ... I don't have to sit down with a lefty at the dinner table.
Friends ... When I have some beers with friends, there isn't a lefty anywhere to be seen. Or more importantly, heard.
Co Workers ... All 3, LOL ,,, right of center and Trump supporters.
Boss ... Right of center and a Trump supporter.
Owner ... That's the boss... That's my one and only supervisor...

The 5 of us at the shop are the HR department... We are our own HR department... LOL

I didn't make this happen on purpose. it just happened. But I am thankful that it turned out this way for me.
When I read threads like this, I am reminded how very lucky I am to not have to deal with lefties in any meaningful way.

Maybe a humble brag post IDK

I'm envious.

 

[Chevusa]

I wonder what they’d think of my Betsy Ross flag shirt..