Recert repercussions? (Pistol permit)

[M_F]

I work with such a guy and he has faced zero repercussions as well as his wife.

Have they added new pistols since then? Curious if the lack of recertification would come up when a new amendment goes before a judge.

 

[Cavalry]

Have they added new pistols since then? Curious if the lack of recertification would come up when a new amendment goes before a judge.

Many counties the judge is not involved after issuance. Unless a big message pops up on a screen the clerk just processes it as normal. Since the State and the County really do not seem to communicate that much it would not surprise me that message does not make it.

 

[Brawny71]

Have they added new pistols since then? Curious if the lack of recertification would come up when a new amendment goes before a judge.

There is no conduit between NYSP and County when it isn't done. County is the issue authority, State created the requirement with no enforcement resourcing or authority....until you do something that makes them look.

 

[ManualF150]

Many counties the judge is not involved after issuance. Unless a big message pops up on a screen the clerk just processes it as normal. Since the State and the County really do not seem to communicate that much it would not surprise me that message does not make it.

Or in other words, it doesn't work like the DMV.

 

[Brawny71]

Many counties the judge is not involved after issuance. Unless a big message pops up on a screen the clerk just processes it as normal. Since the State and the County really do not seem to communicate that much it would not surprise me that message does not make it.

Because the authority for permits rest at County level. The requirement is an artificial insert by the State not within their authority.
Penal Law, Article 400.00, Section 5 (3) says County and City; NOT State https://newyorklegaldefense.com/res...ng-and-other-provisions-relating-to-firearms/

County Registration (To avoid violating the FOPA) at County Level and below: NYS Penal law 400.00, Section 5 Article 400: Licensing and other provisions relating to firearms

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Orange County has the recertification requirement on the instruction sheet for an amendment.
Picked up a used snub Model 10 the other day, FFL said a judge in Ulster County is reviewing your recertification history during any amendment processing and if you have not recertified on states schedule he will pull your license

 

[Deplorable Me]

Orange County has the recertification requirement on the instruction sheet for an amendment.
Picked up a used snub Model 10 the other day, FFL said a judge in Ulster County is reviewing your recertification history during any amendment processing and if you have not recertified on states schedule he will pull your license

Which schedule? State is intentionally trying to entrap people by changing the law.

 

[1341]

Orange County has the recertification requirement on the instruction sheet for an amendment.
Picked up a used snub Model 10 the other day, FFL said a judge in Ulster County is reviewing your recertification history during any amendment processing and if you have not recertified on states schedule he will pull your license

Update on this, a friend, whose brother in law was transferring a pistol from his sister located in orange county to his ulster county permit was called by the sheriff's office and told his pistol permit was revoked by a female ulster county Judge. The judge had reviewed his recertification history and found that it a elapsed for a couple of months before he updated it. He had turn in his own pistol as a result. He's awaiting a hearing from the judge to determine what she is going to do.

 

[libertysnake]

Update on this, a friend, whose brother in law was transferring a pistol from his sister located in orange county to his ulster county permit was called by the sheriff's office and told his pistol permit was revoked by a female ulster county Judge. The judge had reviewed his recertification history and found that it a elapsed for a couple of months before he updated it. He had turn in his own pistol as a result. He's awaiting a hearing from the judge to determine what she is going to do.

I told my father to try to check his certification. Him and my mother both have cancer, so I hope they remembered. My mom sure as hell isn't in any mind to do it, she's 77lbs right now.

Luckily I'm co-registered on their guns so they would just turn them over to me worst case.

 

[Deplorable Me]

What's sad is for my PA permit I get a letter well in advance of the 5 year expiration. When every other license is due for renewal in NY you get notification in writing. Can you smell the infringement and entrapment intent here?

 

[Brawny71]

What's sad is for my PA permit I get a letter well in advance of the 5 year expiration. When every other license is due for renewal in NY you get notification in writing. Can you smell the infringement and entrapment intent here?

Even the ATF sends you a reminder WITH the PREFILLED form to update your FFL.

 

[Brawny71]

I told my father to try to check his certification. Him and my mother both have cancer, so I hope they remembered. My mom sure as hell isn't in any mind to do it, she's 77lbs right now.

Luckily I'm co-registered on their guns so they would just turn them over to me worst case.

Sounds like he needs a good lawyer. The NYSP is the proponent of the three year background check; because the legislature passed a requirement with no resourcing. He submitted and was given a validation by them; which he can print from their website. Although there may have been a lapse, they did not identify nor de-validate his background check; which could have suspended his permit. They validated it. The three year requirement has no clause discussing grace periods or penalties; compliance was met. Very subjective of this judge I must say. This judge doing overtime to check dots and lines must have nothing going on in their county. Must be nice to be in such a crime free and safe quiet area.

It’s nice to live in a county who supports law abiding citizens attempting to do the right thing, within a structure developed to not be understood even by those assigned the task of enforcing it. But maybe we could learn from this judge to clear our plate of real crime. Who knows.

 

[GTN]

I’m sure I have the recert link somewhere but can you post it please just in case? Thanks

@libertysnake I’m really sorry about your parents

 

[MothMan]

Strange URL but should get you there.

OWASP CSRFGuard Project - New Token Landing Page

 

[Robin]

Update on this, a friend, whose brother in law was transferring a pistol from his sister located in orange county to his ulster county permit was called by the sheriff's office and told his pistol permit was revoked by a female ulster county Judge. The judge had reviewed his recertification history and found that it a elapsed for a couple of months before he updated it. He had turn in his own pistol as a result. He's awaiting a hearing from the judge to determine what she is going to do.

I hope your friend comes out on the good side of this. Yoo bad it all rests on the whim of a judge who's political leanings may not include honoring the document she swore to uphold.
What was true 2500 years ago in Greece

Was true again almost 200 years ago in Texas

I pray we shed this yoke of tyranny before it becomes true in NY.
Robin

 

[Mr. terzmo]

I told my father to try to check his certification. Him and my mother both have cancer, so I hope they remembered. My mom sure as hell isn't in any mind to do it, she's 77lbs right now.

Luckily I'm co-registered on their guns so they would just turn them over to me worst case.

You can do it with using their info

 

[Darth]

Update on this, a friend, whose brother in law was transferring a pistol from his sister located in orange county to his ulster county permit was called by the sheriff's office and told his pistol permit was revoked by a female ulster county Judge. The judge had reviewed his recertification history and found that it a elapsed for a couple of months before he updated it. He had turn in his own pistol as a result. He's awaiting a hearing from the judge to determine what she is going to do.

This story sounds fishy.

 

[GTN]

Strange URL but should get you there.

OWASP CSRFGuard Project - New Token Landing Page

Just checked
System down

 

[Deplorable Me]

Just checked
System down

System up.

 

[1341]

This story sounds fishy.

How so?

 

[thughes]

I call BS on the story:

A pistol or revolver license issued by New York City or Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk counties expires and needs to be renewed every 3 years.

A pistol or revolver license issued outside of those areas does not expire, but the license holder must recertify with the New York State Police every 3 years for a concealed carry license and every 5 years for other types of licenses.

Nothing in any of the legal language or FAQ's regarding an issuing officer (judge) being able to revoke a permit because you didn't recertify. Yes, permit does expire in NYC, Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk, but post was about Orange and Ulster. That judge needs to go eat a bag of dicks.





Also...you guys are just fucked in general, even your .gov can't decide if it's 3 years or 5 years:

- From the NYSP recertification site: (OWASP CSRFGuard Project - New Token Landing Page)

If your permit was issued before January 15, 2013, the deadline to submit your recertification is January 31, 2018. If your permit was issued on or after January 15, 2013, the deadline to recertify is five years after the date the permit was issued. As a permit holder, it is your responsibility to recertify your permit whether you receive a notification letter or not. <- I love this part!

- From the NY.gov site: (Frequently Asked Questions: New Concealed Carry Law)

If you have a New York State concealed carry license, you are now required to submit your recertification to the New York State Police every 3 years after issuance instead of 5 years.


So what is it? 3 years, or five years? That right there should be enough to get this judge's revocation tossed. Plausible deniability?

 

[1341]

I call BS on the story:

A pistol or revolver license issued by New York City or Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk counties expires and needs to be renewed every 3 years.

A pistol or revolver license issued outside of those areas does not expire, but the license holder must recertify with the New York State Police every 3 years for a concealed carry license and every 5 years for other types of licenses.

Nothing in any of the legal language or FAQ's regarding an issuing officer (judge) being able to revoke a permit because you didn't recertify. Yes, permit does expire in NYC, Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk, but post was about Orange and Ulster. That judge needs to go eat a bag of dicks.





Also...you guys are just fucked in general, even your .gov can't decide if it's 3 years or 5 years:

- From the NYSP recertification site: (OWASP CSRFGuard Project - New Token Landing Page)

If your permit was issued before January 15, 2013, the deadline to submit your recertification is January 31, 2018. If your permit was issued on or after January 15, 2013, the deadline to recertify is five years after the date the permit was issued. As a permit holder, it is your responsibility to recertify your permit whether you receive a notification letter or not. <- I love this part!

- From the NY.gov site: (Frequently Asked Questions: New Concealed Carry Law)

If you have a New York State concealed carry license, you are now required to submit your recertification to the New York State Police every 3 years after issuance instead of 5 years.


So what is it? 3 years, or five years? That right there should be enough to get this judge's revocation tossed. Plausible deniability?

Except that is what happened to him, Ulster County Judge revoked his permit because he failed to recertify. He did recertify it after the fact and before he submitted the transfer paperwork, but it didn't matter to her. His other pistol is now in custody of the Ulster County Sheriff's office, awaiting a hearing with said judge. There's your BS!

 

[thughes]

Except that is what happened to him, Ulster County Judge revoked his permit because he failed to recertify. He did recertify it after the fact and before he submitted the transfer paperwork, but it didn't matter to her. His other pistol is now in custody of the Ulster County Sheriff's office, awaiting a hearing with said judge. There's your BS!

Well, if that is the case, I'll just add your story to my list of "Why I moved the fuck out of shithole NY". I just don't understand why everybody that CAN move from there, hasn't.

Sucks for your friend's brother in-law, and everybody else trying to stay above the law in NY....there's no way you can win.

 

[Darth]

How so?

Beyond it being "a friend's brother in law and his sister" telephone game, how exactly did it play out? He had the info in hand to get the pistol added, went to the clerk to make the amendment, they did, then somehow the judge checked into it... for some reason, and called had the sheriff call you to tell you... and to have you turn in "a pistol'?

 

[libertysnake]

You can do it with using their info

They were do in April so not a big deal in the end. Still.

 

[Rondo223]

I suppose a lot depends on how big a dick your judge is. I checked my recert the other day and it said it should have been done in 2023. I think I did go in and recert back then but I have no proof so this time I went through the process and saved my proof of recert. Funny thing is I know I have added at least 3 pistols since 2023. But when we add a handgun we just go to the clerk and she adds it. I don't even think the judges look at the amendments.

 

[Brawny71]

I suppose a lot depends on how big a dick your judge is. I checked my recert the other day and it said it should have been done in 2023. I think I did go in and recert back then but I have no proof so this time I went through the process and saved my proof of recert. Funny thing is I know I have added at least 3 pistols since 2023. But when we add a handgun we just go to the clerk and she adds it. I don't even think the judges look at the amendments.

The judge at each county level (because above county would be violation of the FOPA) is the authority. SOME are taking it to the next level. We had one up our way who wouldn’t approve any. You’re right, going the extra distance for this, but not getting things to court that actually happened. To punish The People for the system your Gov created and is in your perview and responsibility to execute, is hypocritical narcism at its finest.

Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, 373 U.S. 262 (1963)

Article 400: Licensing and other provisions relating to firearms

 

[1341]

Beyond it being "a friend's brother in law and his sister" telephone game, how exactly did it play out? He had the info in hand to get the pistol added, went to the clerk to make the amendment, they did, then somehow the judge checked into it... for some reason, and called had the sheriff call you to tell you... and to have you turn in "a pistol'?

That's exactly who they are. See post above. Amendment paperwork went to the clerk, who passed it onto the judge. Judge obviously checked into it for some reason. Once again, obviously the Ulster County Sheriff's called him and said he had turn in his pistol, singular, because he only owned one. He took said pistol and permit to the sheriff's office, were he meet said investigator. Investigator or Detective, not sure of title, took possession of said pistol and permit and issued him a receipt for the singular pistol and permit. Advised him that a hearing with said judge would take place. No date yet for said hearing.

 

[FP1201]

Because the authority for permits rest at County level. The requirement is an artificial insert by the State not within their authority.
Penal Law, Article 400.00, Section 5 (3) says County and City; NOT State https://newyorklegaldefense.com/res...ng-and-other-provisions-relating-to-firearms/

County Registration (To avoid violating the FOPA) at County Level and below: NYS Penal law 400.00, Section 5 Article 400: Licensing and other provisions relating to firearms

When the P-12's are submitted by Dealers they're supposed to be entered into the SP's Data Base...last I knew they were more than three years behind, and it's been that way for decades...yes, decades.

 

[Darth]

That's exactly who they are. See post above. Amendment paperwork went to the clerk, who passed it onto the judge. Judge obviously checked into it for some reason. Once again, obviously the Ulster County Sheriff's called him and said he had turn in his pistol, singular, because he only owned one. He took said pistol and permit to the sheriff's office, were he meet said investigator. Investigator or Detective, not sure of title, took possession of said pistol and permit and issued him a receipt for the singular pistol and permit. Advised him that a hearing with said judge would take place. No date yet for said hearing.

Yeah. The bolded part. How many amendments do you think the Ulster County Clerk processes? And this one gets checked in to for some reason?

Just seems very odd, like something is missing.