Reciprocity While Travelling North?

[zorro]

So mid April, I will be heading up from Florida to NY and driving with several stops along the way

I have planned stops in FL, Savannah (1 night), Charleston (1 night) and DC (2 nights)

As I get nearer to NY, I will likely need to pass through NJ - but no stop over

I have 3 permits - FL, NY and CT

This looks like my reciprocity map




So from my understanding, my biggest issue will be DC, where I am simply not allowed to STOP if I have a handgun in my car.........other than for gas or a pee

Is that correct - so essentially this plan is a no go with a handgun................I do need to go to DC

Thanks

 

[Vantrepes]

Can't stop and it has to be in a locked case separate from ammo in the trunk or other area that is not accessible to the driver or passenger. Don't quote me on the above, its been a while since I read the FOPA requirements.

 

[Cooolone]

You can stop, eat, gas etc.

Stopping and staying, lodging at a hotel overnight, has always been the grey area. Because - do you leave your firearm in the vehicle unsecured, etc. or take it to your room (possess it)? What to do, what to do!

You plan to stay more than just a "stop" so that can very well be an issue should you get jammed up.

Seriously though, you won't read too much about travelers getting tied up in this type nonsense because no jurisdiction wants a Federal Case made out of it and a losing precedent established! Especially if you're following 18 USC § 926A, etc.

Why stopping and plan to stay in DC?

 

[zorro]

We are doing a bit of a “road trip” so entirely optional/by choice and touristy type stuff for the trip

Clearly I would not be CCW in DC and it would need to be left either in the hotel safe or in the car (in a lock box)

I realise DC is the biggest issue

 

[Cooolone]

Vehicle safes are pretty good if bolted to the body/frame. Just sayin'

 

[Saltwater60]

I would avoid DC. DC will not be friendly if you are discovered. The house keeper finds it or something. Even an accident or a breakdown.

 

[zorro]

Yeah I think I may need to travel without it

We are definitely stopping in DC for 2 nights and it may just create too big a risk for me

Really don’t want to be heading to Guantanamo!!!!

 

[thughes]

Ah...the irony of getting jammed up on a 2A violation in the US Capital.

 

[zorro]

100%……………….insane

 

[Jmac00]

I will only say this: MAKE DAMN SURE EVERY LIGHT ON YOUR VEHICLE is working perfectly, second, NO SPEEDING, period.
Third DO NOT HIT ANYTHING, and don't let someone hit you ( good luck with that shit ) and make sure nothing is visible to the naked eye sitting inside the vehicle, for any LEO to see
Otherwise, as long as the firearm is locked in a solid case and the ammo is separate, you should be good-to-go

 

[spat]

Can you just stay in a hotel outside of DC and leave the guns in the hotel safe while you are sightseeing ?

DC is very small, doesn't seem like you should actually have to stay *in* the city just to see it.

Unless you are actually staying with someone who lives in DC, that would be my plan.

 

[Brawny71]

Any state you don’t have reciprocity in you must:

- have the unloaded firearm in a locked box outside of your access. Ammo in a separate area.
- cannot PLAN to stay overnight (emergencies are allowed)
- if asked if you have weapons by law enforcement you must answer truthfully

Even though legal, I try and avoid those states.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/traveling-with-firearms/private-vehicles/

 

[Robin]

Are we winning yet?
Robin

 

[Jmac00]

Are we winning yet?
Robin

I became a winner, the instant my wheels hit the New Yorkistan state line, on the way OUT. sadly, at some point this spring, we have to be back in NY to bury my MIL. I am not looking forward to that shit. And it will be a very short stay

 

[Saltwater60]

Un

I will only say this: MAKE DAMN SURE EVERY LIGHT ON YOUR VEHICLE is working perfectly, second, NO SPEEDING, period.
Third DO NOT HIT ANYTHING, and don't let someone hit you ( good luck with that shit ) and make sure nothing is visible to the naked eye sitting inside the vehicle, for any LEO to see
Otherwise, as long as the firearm is locked in a solid case and the ammo is separate, you should be good-to-go

Unless there is an accident and your vehicle is towed and the police inventory your vehicle. Crap happens.

 

[FP1201]

NY has ZERO reciprocity with any other State.
Unloaded, in a secure container outside the reach of anyone, just "passing through" and "There's nothing of any interest inside the vehicle and do not consent to any searches' should the question arise...NJ isn't any better.
Traveling up I-95 to get there? May the Lord Jesus co-pilot with you.

 

[Steal2B]

NY has ZERO reciprocity with any other State.
Unloaded, in a secure container outside the reach of anyone, just "passing through" and "There's nothing of any interest inside the vehicle and do not consent to any searches' should the question arise...NJ isn't any better.
Traveling up I-95 to get there? May the Lord Jesus co-pilot with you.

As previously discussed in other threads, PA has counties that are very friendly to issuing PA non-resident permits to holders of NY concealed carry permits.

Especially with a PA non resident in hand, ... I81 is a better North South trip option that avoids various I95 nightmares in most of Maryland, all of DC, and all of NJ.

 

[Robin]

Used to be common ordinary sight around here. Haven't seen one in decades, tell me when we're winning.
Robin

 

[zorro]

Yeah I think this would simply be too much of a risk

Just needs one person to bump me or any type of accident where the cops get involved - then the shot hits the fan big time

I have handguns/rifles up in NY but would have liked something for the 1500 mile road trip……..but just too risky I feel, which is crazy

 

[pshift]

Forget about 2 nights in DC. Stay in VA, just outside of DC. It's way more 2A friendly and you can still get to the 'tourist stuff' fairly easily and not have to worry as much.

 

[zorro]

That’s a good idea - will look into that - thanks

 

[dsdmmat]

I run up 81 when I go north. That way I avoid most communist states.

 

[Brawny71]

Forget about 2 nights in DC. Stay in VA, just outside of DC. It's way more 2A friendly and you can still get to the 'tourist stuff' fairly easily and not have to worry as much.

Trains are clean and cheap in and out of DC as well.

 

[Cooolone]

You can absolutely PLAN to stop and eat, sleep while traveling thru towards your destination! There is no expectation of unbroken travel as this is not realistic. But the stop must be minimum of what's necessary, sight seeing, etc., would not be explainable. Stopping at a hotel, grabbing a meal and sleeping and then hitting the road are all good! Again, biggest issue, question, would be what to do with the firearms while in the hotel. This is the grey area!

Standard disclaimer applies while reading opinions on the internet, lol. I'm not an attorney and I'm not offering legal advice!

Anyways be safe!
Good Luck!

 

[Podmonkey]

Discretion is key.

 

[spat]

Discretion is key.

All of life is a balance.

You need to balance the risk of getting caught with a gun your not allowed to have against the risk of needing a gun you left behind.

 

[zorro]

That sums it up perfectly

 

[REF]

The existence of this thread perfectly sums up the future of the second amendment. And it’s depressing

 

[zorro]

And no Matter what gets promised by Trump, Bondi or whoever, nothing much changes in our favor ………..and is unlikely to any time in the near future

There may be some tweaks here and there, but we will still be left with this crazy scenario or all the other restrictions based on geography and trying to figure out a way around each of them

A very sad reflection on where we stand with the constitution

 

[Podmonkey]

All of life is a balance.

You need to balance the risk of getting caught with a gun your not allowed to have against the risk of needing a gun you left behind.

I'm saying if you are legal where you start from and where you are going to..............then discretion is key in points between