RPI Student Faces Deportation after Saratoga Weapons and Tactical calls FBI
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ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
Sounds like the school totally overreacted to me.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Yup. If NYSP told the FFL the NYS legal rifle purchase would have been OK to the student, why would RPI a) want to call it an assault rifle and b) permanently expell the student even though no purchase was even made to bring rifle on campus. No charges made on reported switchblade either, so that may be a non issue too. What gives? Pre-emptive red flag thingy? Even the FFL, calling for clarification, said the student was a cooperative nice kid.
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Complete overreaction. However I thought that a green card was required for a non native to legally purchase a firearm here.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
I'll take the Democratic view....GUILTY...HANG HIM..then DEPORT HIM....just like a couple Supreme Court nominee's were treated...very recent I might ad.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
IF you're not a citizen, why should any firearm be sold to except to export to a legal entity through a legal entity. If US citizens are restricted..non citizens should have no possession at all..My 2 cents
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
@thewheels
.308 Win
And he's locked up because of it.
Everybody else did their job and followed proper procedure although I'm not sure why the FBI agents took him to the dean's office.
I'd think a simple interview would be enough for the agents. Let him get an uber and go back to his studies.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
..Citizen vs foreigner ? Why a green card mentioned also.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The right to self defense is a natural right.
Of course the liberals and skeptics will not accept this idea.
this seems like an over reaction to me but maybe we dont know other details.
Of course the liberals and skeptics will not accept this idea.
this seems like an over reaction to me but maybe we dont know other details.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
You can posses a firearm in America. It is an inalienable right.......
byron
.308 Win
An alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa is prohibited from shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing a firearm or ammunition unless the alien falls within one of the exceptions provided in 18 U.S.C. 922(y)(2), such as: a valid hunting license or permit, admitted for lawful hunting or sporting purposes, certain official representatives of a foreign government, or a foreign law enforcement officer of a friendly foreign government entering the United States on official law enforcement business.
[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]
If he has a hunting license he'd be fine.
A nonimmigrant alien that possess a valid hunting license from a State within the United States or falls within any of the other exceptions or exemptions that allow nonimmigrant aliens to possess firearms may rent firearms to hunt or to use at a shooting range.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5) and (9), 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y); 27 CFR 478.99(a) and (c)(5)]
Is a valid hunting license or permit as an exception to the firearms prohibitions on nonimmigrant aliens only valid in the State in which it was issued?
No. A valid, unexpired hunting license or permit from any State within the United States satisfies the hunting license exception to the nonimmigrant alien prohibition. The hunting license or permit does not have to be from the State where the nonimmigrant alien is purchasing the firearm.
[18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y)(2); 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.32]
If he has a hunting license he'd be fine.
A nonimmigrant alien that possess a valid hunting license from a State within the United States or falls within any of the other exceptions or exemptions that allow nonimmigrant aliens to possess firearms may rent firearms to hunt or to use at a shooting range.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(5) and (9), 922(g)(5)(B) and 922(y); 27 CFR 478.99(a) and (c)(5)]
Is a valid hunting license or permit as an exception to the firearms prohibitions on nonimmigrant aliens only valid in the State in which it was issued?
No. A valid, unexpired hunting license or permit from any State within the United States satisfies the hunting license exception to the nonimmigrant alien prohibition. The hunting license or permit does not have to be from the State where the nonimmigrant alien is purchasing the firearm.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
somthing is missing here.. inalienable right...this is what is covered under the Constitution.. IF it covers everyone.....everyone in the planet...why doesn't everyone come in and do what they want as long as legal. An alien under this "right" can own/purchase a firearm and go anywhere because it's now "their right"
Is there not separation between alien vs citizen except for a few legal reasons?
Is there not separation between alien vs citizen except for a few legal reasons?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Possesing and buying are two different things.
Just like aliens have free speach. Trial by jury. Protection from illegal searches etc etc.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
The Bill of Rights recognizes that there are rights granted by natural law, not man. Doesn't matter where you are or where you're from.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
something not right here I'm wondering if we have the whole story
repete
.338 Win Mag
Notice the red letters? I think that right there would make a sale ok, but a sale didn't happen and he got expelled from the school for THINKING of buying a gun. That no matter how you look at it just isn't right or legal.
byron
.308 Win
I half to agree with you fully I don't feel the school had a legitmate reason to expell him unless there is a lot more to the story. I don't see anything arrestable in it.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
"He was interested in buying a high-end rifle"
Too bad for him he didn't want to buy a low end rifle. Riveting reporting.
"On Monday, the school sought to tamp down potential rumors, issuing a statement that said the school had been "informed by federal law enforcement that a student was attempting to purchase an assault rifle."
Nice way to fan the flame. Freaking idiots.
"Sacco said the FBI agents took Dong to an RPI dean’s office where he was immediately expelled."
“At no time were guns or ammunition on the Rensselaer campus, nor was there any immediate threat to the campus community.”
Can you say overreaction?
Too bad for him he didn't want to buy a low end rifle. Riveting reporting.
"On Monday, the school sought to tamp down potential rumors, issuing a statement that said the school had been "informed by federal law enforcement that a student was attempting to purchase an assault rifle."
Nice way to fan the flame. Freaking idiots.
"Sacco said the FBI agents took Dong to an RPI dean’s office where he was immediately expelled."
“At no time were guns or ammunition on the Rensselaer campus, nor was there any immediate threat to the campus community.”
Can you say overreaction?
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
a lot of BS .. he went in to buy a gun ... here is my papers .. we have to check .. the FFL says he was nice .. comes back , no you can't this is why sorry .. this is what you need to do .. to buy gun with your status here .. .. no they jam up the guy FUAC .. did he lie on 4473 or even fill one out .. ??
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Something's not adding up here. Why did they take him to the school?
The only reason that I could think of is so that the school can be coaxed to expel him and his Visa can be automatically terminated or else why would the FBI take him to the Dean's office?
He was either done wrong or the agents had a hunch but couldn't prove that he was going to do something so they went the extreme route.
The only reason that I could think of is so that the school can be coaxed to expel him and his Visa can be automatically terminated or else why would the FBI take him to the Dean's office?
He was either done wrong or the agents had a hunch but couldn't prove that he was going to do something so they went the extreme route.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
This makes little sense. I called the NYSP and they said it was fine to sell him the gun so then I called the FBI. The FBI wanted to talk with him. Why? They have terrorists admitting the want to do mass shootings and can’t find who they are with thier name displayed but jam this kid up?
Why would the fbi detain him and discuss his position in the deans office? They expelled him then searched his room as if after he was expelled it makes it ok for them to search his property without a warrant. Something isn’t right here.
Why no charges if he was carrying an illegal switchblade?
Why would the fbi detain him and discuss his position in the deans office? They expelled him then searched his room as if after he was expelled it makes it ok for them to search his property without a warrant. Something isn’t right here.
Why no charges if he was carrying an illegal switchblade?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
The lazy reporting makes it hard to figure out how much of an overreaction this might be.
Even if the kid made a statement indicating he was up to no good, the lack of due process form the school and the Feds is concerning.
FreeBeer&Chicken
22lr
Written by the gun shop owner:
"Since the media has gotten wind of this story now, we at SWAT would like to let everyone know that we are dedicated to the safety of everyone.
As many of you know, we have a close working relationship with both State and Federal law enforcement agencies. Our constant contact with the Local Police, County Sheriff's Office, State Police, ATF, and the FBI, ensures our compliance with the strict laws of NYS and the federal government.
Having this open, working relationship with those agencies have been instrumental in what we do. We have all been told, "If you see something, Say something", please don't hesitate to say something, as you never know these days!
In response to the article from Times Union, it doesn't give the complete details of our initial call to the New York State Police. The State Police didn't just simply say that they “didn't think there was a problem with the purchase”. The State Police advised us that there was no penal law that would prevent a non US citizen to purchase a long gun as-long-as they possess a valid New York State hunting license and that there were no restrictions to the visa that they were in the country on.
Although this information was somewhat surprising to us, the law is the law. As the individual did not possess a NYS Hunting License and possible visa restrictions, we didn't hesitate to reach out to the federal agencies for further assistance. We thank all of the agencies for their past, present, and future assistance.
If you ever need any assistance in gun safety, purchasing, or gunsmithing, please do not hesitate to contact Saratoga Weapons and Tactical."
RPI student who tried to buy gun faces deportation
Below is contact I had with a police officer in regards to the situation. He's my brother and knows the owner of SWAT gun shop:
"He tried to buy a gun.... Actually a Sig MPX. He was confused as to what he wanted. Initially asked for Sig MCX (rifle) but pointed to and asked for a Sig MPX on display. (9mm pistol - I have both). He is not allowed to own the pistol MPX 9mm he was inquiring about.... only active law enforcement officers can purchase in that configuration. He had only a student Visa and out
... He did not display a NY ID as is required for even a rifle or shotgun purchase. This was suspicious for several reasons and was reported to the NY State Police. They stated that there was no NY laws broken and referred the local gun shop owner to the FBI. They were contacted with said information. From there an investigation was begun in conjunction with the FBI and RPI Campus Police. BTW the ATF came in after, peeved off they were not included in the process.... Perhaps they should answer the phone there. No mention of a diligent local gun shop owner... No mention of the specifics of his behavior, which without getting into details was "outside the norm".
And as a side note we all know I'm a pretty strict constitutional conservative.... I am often referred to as a "gun guy" which is actually a short sighted definition. I do try to keep up on the regulations and laws."
I figured this info might help people a bit. SWAT is a great shop and the owner is the biggest 2A-guy out there. They are good people that just followed the rules and warnings.
"Since the media has gotten wind of this story now, we at SWAT would like to let everyone know that we are dedicated to the safety of everyone.
As many of you know, we have a close working relationship with both State and Federal law enforcement agencies. Our constant contact with the Local Police, County Sheriff's Office, State Police, ATF, and the FBI, ensures our compliance with the strict laws of NYS and the federal government.
Having this open, working relationship with those agencies have been instrumental in what we do. We have all been told, "If you see something, Say something", please don't hesitate to say something, as you never know these days!
In response to the article from Times Union, it doesn't give the complete details of our initial call to the New York State Police. The State Police didn't just simply say that they “didn't think there was a problem with the purchase”. The State Police advised us that there was no penal law that would prevent a non US citizen to purchase a long gun as-long-as they possess a valid New York State hunting license and that there were no restrictions to the visa that they were in the country on.
Although this information was somewhat surprising to us, the law is the law. As the individual did not possess a NYS Hunting License and possible visa restrictions, we didn't hesitate to reach out to the federal agencies for further assistance. We thank all of the agencies for their past, present, and future assistance.
If you ever need any assistance in gun safety, purchasing, or gunsmithing, please do not hesitate to contact Saratoga Weapons and Tactical."
RPI student who tried to buy gun faces deportation
Below is contact I had with a police officer in regards to the situation. He's my brother and knows the owner of SWAT gun shop:
"He tried to buy a gun.... Actually a Sig MPX. He was confused as to what he wanted. Initially asked for Sig MCX (rifle) but pointed to and asked for a Sig MPX on display. (9mm pistol - I have both). He is not allowed to own the pistol MPX 9mm he was inquiring about.... only active law enforcement officers can purchase in that configuration. He had only a student Visa and out
... He did not display a NY ID as is required for even a rifle or shotgun purchase. This was suspicious for several reasons and was reported to the NY State Police. They stated that there was no NY laws broken and referred the local gun shop owner to the FBI. They were contacted with said information. From there an investigation was begun in conjunction with the FBI and RPI Campus Police. BTW the ATF came in after, peeved off they were not included in the process.... Perhaps they should answer the phone there. No mention of a diligent local gun shop owner... No mention of the specifics of his behavior, which without getting into details was "outside the norm".
And as a side note we all know I'm a pretty strict constitutional conservative.... I am often referred to as a "gun guy" which is actually a short sighted definition. I do try to keep up on the regulations and laws."
I figured this info might help people a bit. SWAT is a great shop and the owner is the biggest 2A-guy out there. They are good people that just followed the rules and warnings.
subsonic
.44 mag
Thanks for sharing, though as we all know a NY ID is not required for a rifle or shotgun purchase. There are other acceptable ways to establish identity and make a sale. A passport/student ID would be a red flag, but not necessarily illegal nor indicative of an attempt to commit a crime. It's important that gun shop owners also distinguish between customers who are genuine bad actors and those who just need education on what they can and can't do.
I don't envy them, and as for this particular case I wasn't there and I reserve judgment as far as the shop and law enforcement are concerned.