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Ruger Carbine Takedown !
- Thread starter GOYABEAN
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Yeah, two totally different guns. Ultimately I see PCCs as range toys with some limited utility in specific situations.
A 5.56 carbine is a more versatile tool.
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If a PCC is good enough for Rick, its good enough for me.
It complements the Python well.
It complements the Python well.
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I buy firearms with SHTF in mind.
A pound of powder will get you 300 5.56 reloads or over 1800 9mm reloads.
9mm can be lethal at 400yds ( if you can hit the target). 5.56 is good to over 600yds.
9mm is 20 cents a round where 5.56 is 35-50 cents.
100 yd shots are very do-able with a PCC.
I'm for sure interested in getting one with my tax return. Not sure which, but a pcc is in my future.
I'd get rid of the MVP for one.
A pound of powder will get you 300 5.56 reloads or over 1800 9mm reloads.
9mm can be lethal at 400yds ( if you can hit the target). 5.56 is good to over 600yds.
9mm is 20 cents a round where 5.56 is 35-50 cents.
100 yd shots are very do-able with a PCC.
I'm for sure interested in getting one with my tax return. Not sure which, but a pcc is in my future.
I'd get rid of the MVP for one.
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I disagree. A PCC is more effective to the user in an enclosed space than a high concussive rifle.
We are left with the FUAC model, but for the rest of the free world isn't the 1/2 x 28 the preferred sizing for suppressors for 9mm? Why a mistake?
meketrefe
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It is a mistake even for a 223, 5.56. The reason is because the minor diameter of the thread is too small leaving little amount of material and support opening the door for crown
swelling over time. There is no way to stress relief the alloy after the machining so with use and heat the bore dimension is going to change at the muzzle. That is why a 5/8"x24 standard is a better thread up to 30 caliber and for larger calibers like 338 and 35 in this case a 3/4" thread is a better idea.
This is why some high end 338 precision rifles do not even use 5/8"x24 threads and use 3/4x24 threads instead.
The 1/2" threads would be perfect for a 204 or 17 calibers.
If one wants to use a 1/2" threads brake given there is enough opening for the caliber, I would have the barrel threaded to 3/4"x24 and then put
a small extension from 3/4 to 1/2 and here it doesn't matter because the 1/2" threads minor diameter will not be on the barrel and this critical area of the rifle.
For the 223 Remington is easy, one has plentiful 5/8" brakes and some makers sell the barrels with those threads including quality AR15 barrels.
Did I answer your question?
meketrefe
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I think they a bit late but they have been listening and responded and also a firearm well made is not something you want to rush like others do.
I hope they release barrels and bolts for other popular rifles including the bottom for larger magazines like the 5.7FN.
I would love to have one in the tokarev cartrige or 9x25 dillon.
If they offer the extension and hand-guards for alternative calibers those would sell like peanuts IMO.
Obiwankabaldi
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The 10-22 hikds zero perfectly. It is awesome....
This is basically an updated re-release of a gun Ruger offered many years ago, the PC9.
And if it locks back on Glock mags I'm definitely gonna get one. It addresses every single need I have in a PCC with a takedown option to boot.
I'd like to see an ultra stealth case/bag for this too.
meketrefe
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Same delayed blowback system? does anyone how it is designed?
I'm aware of the PC 9 and have wanted one for years but prices have been crazy for a good one. I wound up building and Ar9 which turned out to be one of my favorite guns. I'm still interested in the new Ruger but will wait for them to work the kinks out or release it in another caliber that I don't already own.
Sounds like its a straight blow back with some kind of tungsten buffer system. I don't know anything about the old PC9 carbines and if this is any different.
They would never be as popular as a modular platform like the AR. The best we could hope for is getting aftermarket support for this gun like we have for the 10\22.
I just want to see some cool stock options, particularly the Magpul Backpacker stock.
And the super stealth bag/case.
And the super stealth bag/case.
I stopped at a fairly new shop in my area that ordered a couple of Magpul M-lok bi-pod mounts for me, and asked him about price on these? Told me about $525.00! I would like to see a M&P mag well adapter as I have a M&P 40/9.
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Cool wish it was offered in more calibers but il probably be buying one
I would think 40 SW will be next, as the original PC carbine was made in 9mm and 40 SW?
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It locks back
On the Glock mags too?
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Yeppers. On page 2 I posted a video
@ the 3 minute mark they talk about it
meketrefe
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One never knows... if the delayed blowback is smooth plus the capability to take multiple magazines with the same receiver plus the take down
20 seconds caliber swap are features the AR15 doesn't have so this can be a lighter, more accurate and versatile than the AR itself that it is a
retrofit w/o standards.
meketrefe
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If it is a delayed blow back it must use one a roller or a tilting system or gas. There is no tilting barrel on this like the glock so that is discarded.
IF this is well design it makes all the difference vs. the AR and others even more cumbersome and awkward.
I just don't know how the PC bolt is designed. Never had one. I thiink using the 10/22 proven trigger group is smart. It is a well proven, safe and simple system.
Reliable but far from perfect. There are a lot of companies profiting from Ruger 10\22 triggers.
meketrefe
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I still have factory triggers and after break in they are not match but they are 10 times better than many other guns.
I would think they do not want to make them lighter because of liabilities that is always the issue so they want to stay away from that.
I don't think they are the best design in the world but they are solid and well proven and even a 10/22 I have that is one of the early models still chugs along with an amazingly crisp factory trigger that gets better with time.
As you know companies sell great aftermarket but also lots of snake oil.
Its definitely a simple blowback action, with the added mechanism of an internal floating buffer (tungsten) weight. Y'know so the while the bolt has enough mass to operate as a blowback action but not all that mass has to stop all at the same time which means the recoil of all that mass hitting the rear of the receiver all at once is reduced. Its a system that's been in use a long time but isn't all that common. Well suited for a PCC though.
I still am struck by how this gun neatly adresses every single issue I have with all other existing PCCs. Provided its reliable which is my issue with the Sub 2000 along with no bolt hold back. The Hi Point, while perfectly functional is cheaply made and inelegant, the CX4 is a tad too expensive, the MPX is way too expensive, the Scorpion is too expensive and again, no bolt hold open, the Just Right Carbines are too heavy and no bolt hold open, the various AR PCCs are either too expensive, or unreliable and some also with no bolt hold open plus I dont need or want everything to be an AR.
The Ruger is priced right, is made of quality materials and has a quality design, after researching does indeed last shot lock with Glock mags, and is presumably reliable. Throw in the takedown feature and what I hope will be strong aftermarket support and I see little reason to choose any other PCC over the Ruger. YMMV of course, I'm gonna get ine though. Can't wait for the Magpul stock!
Annnnnnnnnnd............... would hypothetically make for a good truck gun, minimal legal issues with it.